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HeartAndSoul31 -> RE: Withholding care (10/24/2014 7:50:24 PM)
It is not a problem. There are plenty of volunteer workers who have the knowledge. If it becomes an epidemic, then it's a draft. We have lots of people with the knowledge who gladly help those who need it. They have the knowledge and have no desire to spread it. That is definitely coming from somewhere else. If it came a day it could not be contained, kiss your lucky stars goodbye.

Lynnxz -> RE: Withholding care (10/24/2014 8:20:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeartAndSoul31 It is not a problem. There are plenty of volunteer workers who have the knowledge. If it becomes an epidemic, then it's a draft. We have lots of people with the knowledge who gladly help those who need it. They have the knowledge and have no desire to spread it. That is definitely coming from somewhere else. If it came a day it could not be contained, kiss your lucky stars goodbye. We don't need volunteers or draftees, Jesus Christ. You need trained professionals who have received specialized training, education, and equipment. We don't even have ten people infected in the US yet, it's not a freaking epidemic.

HeartAndSoul31 -> RE: Withholding care (10/24/2014 8:35:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz quote: ORIGINAL: HeartAndSoul31 It is not a problem. There are plenty of volunteer workers who have the knowledge. If it becomes an epidemic, then it's a draft. We have lots of people with the knowledge who gladly help those who need it. They have the knowledge and have no desire to spread it. That is definitely coming from somewhere else. If it came a day it could not be contained, kiss your lucky stars goodbye. We don't need volunteers or draftees, Jesus Christ. You need trained professionals who have received specialized training, education, and equipment. We don't even have ten people infected in the US yet, it's not a freaking epidemic. You are telling me what we need? Go on. I can tell you one thing we don't lack, it's cAlled a backbone. We are always interested in improving. Any more suggestions rabbit?

Musicmystery -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 5:48:41 AM)
Yes, I believe Lynnxz is exactly telling you that, and doing so with common sense and balance. Move your cereal bowl away from wherever it's getting all that piss on it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 6:04:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted You're right, they aren't slaves, so you can't force them to care for anyone they don't wish to care for. However, if they won't do their jobs, then there's no reason they need to stay employed. I have a lot of respect for nurses, I have an Aunt and a Cousin in the profession, and I met some great ones when Linda was sick for so long. I've also met some real assholes. Most health care workers are contentious, truly want to help people, and deserve the salaries they earn. The assholes could care less and want to get as much as possible for doing as little as possible. Working with sick people can be dangerous, it always has been. If someone can't deal with that, then maybe they should find another line of work. They are Union, so there may be some pushback to where those that don't wish to care for Ebola patients (ie. "do their jobs"), will still have a reason to stay employed (unless they are in a specialized Ebola-only care center).

DesideriScuri -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 6:17:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz I just read the new protocol for Ebola at my hospital. It's a long way away from the initial precaution of flimsy yellow gown and booties, we get impermeable suits, and all staff gets assistance AND supervision while suiting up or down. I'd take care of an Ebola patient, I'd just request that I be given a room at the hospital to stay for the duration of my care with the patient, because I'd rather not take the risk of dragging Ebola around town. Would I take care of a patient WITHOUT the fancy new precautions and equipment and staffing. Lol nope, I don't get hazard pay. It's up to hospital administration to protect me- this isn't field work. I'm not going to be unsafe so the hospital can save a buck. Should anyone taking care of an Ebola patient be afforded "hazard pay?" I'm not sure that's a bad idea, especially if they have more training than those not caring for Ebola patients.

Lynnxz -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 6:47:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz I just read the new protocol for Ebola at my hospital. It's a long way away from the initial precaution of flimsy yellow gown and booties, we get impermeable suits, and all staff gets assistance AND supervision while suiting up or down. I'd take care of an Ebola patient, I'd just request that I be given a room at the hospital to stay for the duration of my care with the patient, because I'd rather not take the risk of dragging Ebola around town. Would I take care of a patient WITHOUT the fancy new precautions and equipment and staffing. Lol nope, I don't get hazard pay. It's up to hospital administration to protect me- this isn't field work. I'm not going to be unsafe so the hospital can save a buck. Should anyone taking care of an Ebola patient be afforded "hazard pay?" I'm not sure that's a bad idea, especially if they have more training than those not caring for Ebola patients. I probably wouldn't get hazard pay specifically, but if I'm not allowed to leave the hospital, then they are required to pay... Probably the on-call rate, so it'd be a hell of a paycheck. quote: You are telling me what we need? Go on. I can tell you one thing we don't lack, it's cAlled a backbone. We are always interested in improving. Any more suggestions rabbit? I thought my reading comp skills were up to par, but I have no idea what you are trying to get across.

Sanity -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 11:31:13 AM)
FR Real world verification that health care workers cannot be "forced" into abnormally hazardous duty Told you so

Aylee -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 11:39:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee But it is rather sad that you would force someone against their will to treat someone with a procedure that greatly increases their risk of contracting a disease that can liquify your organs. The problem I see with this is, what's next? If you allow health care providers to refuse to treat patients with Ebola, what about ones who don't want to treat AIDS patients? They don't have to treat HIV/AIDS patients.

Aylee -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 11:48:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted You're right, they aren't slaves, so you can't force them to care for anyone they don't wish to care for. However, if they won't do their jobs, then there's no reason they need to stay employed. I have a lot of respect for nurses, I have an Aunt and a Cousin in the profession, and I met some great ones when Linda was sick for so long. I've also met some real assholes. Most health care workers are contentious, truly want to help people, and deserve the salaries they earn. The assholes could care less and want to get as much as possible for doing as little as possible. Working with sick people can be dangerous, it always has been. If someone can't deal with that, then maybe they should find another line of work. It does not do much good to turn the health care providers into more patients or dead bodies. That's already been the problem in the current outbreak--decimation of medical providers in the affected African countries.

Sanity -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 11:49:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee They don't have to treat HIV/AIDS patients. The danger associated with treating HIV patients is not even close to being equivalent

Aylee -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 12:16:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee They don't have to treat HIV/AIDS patients. The danger associated with treating HIV patients is not even close to being equivalent I didn't pick the comparison.

Lynnxz -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 12:21:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity FR Real world verification that health care workers cannot be "forced" into abnormally hazardous duty Told you so Those are volunteers and charity workers, mostly from organizations similar to doctors without borders. I went down to Haiti post-earthquake with a group like that. Caught scabies doing that, that was embarrassing. At any rate, choosing not to volunteer to go overseas is much different then refusing care to a patient in your facility once you've clocked in. While not malpractice, it is negligence. I can imagine some people would refuse, but others, given the right education and equipment would be sure to fill in. quote: They don't have to treat HIV/AIDS patients. Hahaha, they don't have to remain employed either! A healthcare worker that refuses to treat an HIV patient, is both an ignorant jackass, AND fired.

Sanity -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 12:28:19 PM)
The reasons given in that article stating why they have difficulty getting aid workers into ebola stricken regions of Africa are the same reasons health care workers here will quit, call in sick, and simply refuse to lay their heads on the chopping block if a serious epidemic strikes us Just the messenger here, don't shoot

Sanity -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 12:29:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee They don't have to treat HIV/AIDS patients. The danger associated with treating HIV patients is not even close to being equivalent I didn't pick the comparison. I know Just pointing out that its a meaningless comparison

Politesub53 -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 5:15:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz Retarded keyboard screamers will go off about anything (just read through the thread). Ignorance is a hell of a drug. And we all know Sanity is addicted to ignorance. He is also backsliding from his original claim. quote: Sanity And that only one fool in the entire hospital has signed up to be certified to care for ebola patients

Sanity -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 5:22:54 PM)
"polite" sub What a joke SO lost quote: An extraordinary number of Bellevue Hospital staffers called in sick on Friday rather than treat the city’s first Ebola patient — and those who showed up were terrified to enter his isolation chamber, sources told The Post. “The nurses on the floor are miserable with a ‘why me?’ attitude, scared to death and overworked because all their co-workers called out sick,” one source said. “One nurse even went as far as to pretend she was having a stroke to get out of working there, but once they cleared her in the ER they sent her back up,” the source added.

Politesub53 -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 5:33:16 PM)
So you didnt say what you said in your post then ? Anyhow the hospital deny the reports that people called in sick.

Sanity -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 5:44:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I know a critical care nurse who says she and the majority of her coworkers will quit rather than care for ebola patients And that only one fool in the entire hospital has signed up to be certified to care for ebola patients So no, hospitals shouldnt be forced to self destruct. Thats insane. The actual post, prior to your trollish little edit

Politesub53 -> RE: Withholding care (10/25/2014 6:00:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I know a critical care nurse who says she and the majority of her coworkers will quit rather than care for ebola patients And that only one fool in the entire hospital has signed up to be certified to care for ebola patients So no, hospitals shouldnt be forced to self destruct. Thats insane. The actual post, prior to your trollish little edit There was no trollish edit, you clearly claimed one nurse was foolish enough to sign up. You also posted three seperate lines, meaning it was three seperate thoughts. Keep digging if you want, but you are already neck deep.

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