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shiftyw -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/4/2014 9:52:52 PM)

Is what a good generalization?

I agree our roles in biology are different, I don't agree that one is more important than the other.
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YouName -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/4/2014 9:54:44 PM)

The generalization of women as compared to men.

Yeah, that's obviously a fact too. I wonder how some dickheads think considering where they came from +)


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shiftyw -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/4/2014 10:12:21 PM)

I still don't know what you're talking about but now that this thread hit ten pages I can rest easy...so goodnight




YouName -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/4/2014 10:15:37 PM)

Good morning.





SweetForDaddy -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 4:20:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I agree it is unfortunate. I actually really question if they targeted those neighbourhoods, knowing that the african american unemployment rate is extremely high, and there would be or were more people on the street in those neighbourhoods? However...I think that is a huge mistake, and it keeps coming up where this video is circulating and frankly, it is a problem. But I agree with your assessment.



According to an interview the maker of the video did on reddit, they walked all over NYC, most of the footage was taken from the mid town area, I don't know New York but what from what I've read from people who do know it, they say this area isn't particularly rough or underprivileged. They also state in that interview that the number of white men to black men doing it was about even but that the white men were either off camera, other people were walking in front of them or there were filming issues, like sound problems etc. That doesn't help the content of the video, its out there now and most people don't know this information, but it goes some way to explain why it happened. The fact that they were aware of the issue before they posted the video should have been enough to reshoot some footage I think. Funding? I don't know why they didn't.

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I've seen a lot of "WHAT WE CANT EVEN TALK TO WOMEN?!" and to me thats just silly and no one is saying that..to me you have to think about the context in which you are engaging her. And your end goal, if you are really interested in meeting this woman- are you really going to say "Have a great day" as she walks by? I don't think so. I don't think the end goal of ANY of those folks in that video was actually dating her. If it was, I don't think its likely they will make it very far.



Exactly, most of them didn't try to engage her in conversation, they were talking AT her not to her. It wasn't an attempt to be nice or try to date her mostly, they were cheap shots at objectifying her in the street in public. If I want to stop someone in the street for directions or for whatever reason I will start off the conversation with "excuse me" and wait to see if that person wants to engage before continuing with what I wanted to ask but I wouldn't talk to someone who was walking like she was full stop unless I like REALLY needed to, it was obvious she didn't want to talk, she wasn't making eye contact with anyone and was walking with purpose.

The only one that did try to engage her was the guy that kept saying "I'm too ugly huh", and he was like a sleaze bag pick up artist. I've been looking at some PUA videos on YouTube and they are really horrible. There's a whole load of guys on Youtube teaching other guys how to be sleaze bags on the street. They aren't violent but their intentions are not good and their tactics are really horrible.





PeonForHer -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 5:38:31 AM)

I can imagine that the experiment will get repeated in cities everywhere. After all, what does it take? A woman walking around, somebody walking in front of her with a camcorder or even a mobile phone hidden his backpack?




littleladybug -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 5:49:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SweetForDaddy



According to an interview the maker of the video did on reddit, they walked all over NYC, most of the footage was taken from the mid town area, I don't know New York but what from what I've read from people who do know it, they say this area isn't particularly rough or underprivileged. They also state in that interview that the number of white men to black men doing it was about even but that the white men were either off camera, other people were walking in front of them or there were filming issues, like sound problems etc. That doesn't help the content of the video, its out there now and most people don't know this information, but it goes some way to explain why it happened. The fact that they were aware of the issue before they posted the video should have been enough to reshoot some footage I think. Funding? I don't know why they didn't.


Midtown Manhattan is not "rough" and certainly not "underprivileged". In terms of types of people you might see....the term "melting pot" truly comes to mind.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that there was such a disparity in representation between black and white men due to "filming issues", but it is what it is. I have a feeling this isn't the only video that will be made like this, and I'm sure white men will get their fair representation in the sequels.







FieryOpal -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 6:11:09 AM)

crazyml, none of these harassers, not even those who are more borderline presumptuous, ill-mannered little punks, stop to think how would they like it if other men treated their (unescorted) gf, sister, mother or daughter in a disrespectful fashion. The intent to disrespect is not at issue either, you just don't go around invading somebody else's personal space. It's an infringement of their right to be left alone undisturbed. They were minding their own business and not infringing upon you. Ordinarily a simple, courteous hello, such as when you get onto an elevator, or pass by a stranger in a parking garage, is not untoward. In fact, it is almost a perfunctory duty to be cordial and acknowledge the other person by saying hello or nodding their way to show that you aren't any kind of potential threat under the circumstances.

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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

I've spoken up. Like I said before, some guys need to stop acting like animals when women walk down the street. Stop blaming the female because she is wearing something and then blame her because she shouldn't be wearing tight clothes or whatever. How about a man take responsibility for his own dam actions and stop acting like an animal.

I sadly did see the other video of the girl being abducted in Philly a few days ago. Its crap like that, which is very disturbing. That lady didn't do anything but walk down the street and some piece of human trash waits and then abducts her. This is no laughing matter. Not all men are animals like that. Perhaps it is time for the men who do care about these issues, to stand up to the jerks who think women are nothing more than a sex object. Yes, I am a male sub and respect women anyways. But it goes beyond that. This is a human rights issue that must be dealt with. I've read a lot of interesting books on feminism lately. Feminists make some very good points. The only one things about the nazi-feminists that I disagree with is that all men are bad. That kind of thinking only divides people who do care with the "us vs them" mentality. There are some good men who do care and want to help to make a positive differences in the world, for ALL Humans. I am one of those guys.

Charles, I'm really glad to hear a Gen Xer near my older son's age say this, and it shows that you know how to act like a gentleman. Too many young men do not, especially ones in their 20s.

When I was 11, I was with 3 other girlfriends my age walking on base (therefore patrolled and surrounded by armed guards). We were minding our own business, when behind us about 50 feet away came up 4 soldiers, probably ranging in age from 18-22. They began catcalling us and saying suggestive things that were entirely inappropriate, not just to females but to females our age. Granted, we did look older by perhaps 3 years (~14), and it was summer so we weren't covered up and the fashion back then was to wear "hot pants" with a halter top. They joked about "getting them while they're young" and how tight our you-know-whats must be. There was nothing remotely innocent about their remarks; these weren't innocent compliments. It scared us and we all quickened our pace to outdistance ourselves from these men, not knowing whether they would try to grab one of us and gang-rape whichever one or two of us might get singled out.

On the other hand as tweens, we routinely availed ourselves of the Olympic-sized EM pool because the Officers' pool was so small, and we felt so safe surrounded among the scores of enlisted men, that we were rarely ever chaperoned by an adult or parent. There, we pubescent girls were frolicking about in our bikinis and not once were we approached by any men -- although it's possible there were MPs close by. (I can't remember since that part wouldn't have stood out in my mind back then.)




PeonForHer -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 6:25:01 AM)

FR

Right, stupid but possibly mild-smile inducing interlude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMMQVWEr3aI




shiftyw -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 6:45:46 AM)

Greta, that totally makes women and men who can't bear children, even if they want to, sound like "less than" and it's totally unfair to say that in my opinion.

Simply I do not agree with you that that is our intent on this earth and sole purpose.




Greta75 -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 6:46:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Surveillance-Video-Shows-Struggle-as-Woman-Is-Abducted-Off-Germantown-Street-281344731.html

US is one damn scary place!
But such a kidnap, the assailant must know the victim in advance.




Greta75 -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 6:49:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPf1-lFn0Us

women do this to & funny thing is she got the freaking number from a girl when she said : hi can I get your number for a date?
this is sexist world we live in if a man say hi to a girl in the street (never mind that she wear a very tight jeans & all that makeup ) .. they guy would be harassing that poor girl ?

girls do it with nothing?

WTF?


But of course, she's a skinny petite woman who is no threat to us if things goes south, so we are less terrified of her. She possesses less threat to us. Males are just physically stronger and could hurt us.




Greta75 -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 6:53:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
Greta, that totally makes women and men who can't bear children, even if they want to, sound like "less than" and it's totally unfair to say that in my opinion.

Well, clearly if they are born being unable to have children, then their core gift isn't producing children and it's something else they are gifted with. So they are special and different. And will have other gifts, it's that straight forward.




Lucylastic -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 6:57:25 AM)

its actually bloody ignorant ...and not suprising




Greta75 -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 7:00:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
Simply I do not agree with you that that is our intent on this earth and sole purpose.

And there is a difference between core purpose and sole purpose.
A human is obviously capable of contributing alot more than just reproducing, but I'd say, core purpose is to live life, get wiser and then guide the new generation into the world with all the knowledge they have acquired. Pass it on. Keep the world going.

I think contributing to extinction of the human race is not exactly a great purpose but that's just my view. Of course some people do think that's a good cause too.




littleladybug -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 7:01:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

There are some good men who do care and want to help to make a positive differences in the world, for ALL Humans. I am one of those guys.


I agree with you, though I would change "some good men" to "a lot of good men".

I've known a lot of men in my life, personally and professionally, and I have to say that the vast majority of them would not do something like this. In fact, I would go so far as to say that, even on their worst day, they wouldn't even *think* that this was remotely appropriate.

Personally, I believe that it ultimately has to do with education-- in terms of people having good role models in their life. This "culture of objectification" is only going to be stopped when people are taught respect from an early age by others that they respect. Mom, dad, brother, sister, best friend... whomever.




littleladybug -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 7:21:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


I think contributing to extinction of the human race is not exactly a great purpose but that's just my view. Of course some people do think that's a good cause too.



My brother has 5 kids....I have none. I figure he's more than covered my "lack of populating the earth"....

Seriously, Greta, do you honestly believe that it's THAT black and white? Do you understand why people here might be taking what you are saying as a tad offensive? Use of words like "gift", "sole purpose" and "core purpose" tend to get people's hackles up. At least they do mine...

Now, why would that be? I do not believe that everyone who is capable of having kids *should* have kids-- not even close to it. IMO, the world would be a FAR better place if people didn't have kids simply because they felt they *should* or because of any other external factor. Now, for someone to say, or even imply, that I am "turning my back on a gift" because I chose not to have kids is really and truly offensive.






freedomdwarf1 -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 7:34:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: littleladybug


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75


I think contributing to extinction of the human race is not exactly a great purpose but that's just my view. Of course some people do think that's a good cause too.



My brother has 5 kids....I have none. I figure he's more than covered my "lack of populating the earth"....

Seriously, Greta, do you honestly believe that it's THAT black and white? Do you understand why people here might be taking what you are saying as a tad offensive? Use of words like "gift", "sole purpose" and "core purpose" tend to get people's hackles up. At least they do mine...

Now, why would that be? I do not believe that everyone who is capable of having kids *should* have kids-- not even close to it. IMO, the world would be a FAR better place if people didn't have kids simply because they felt they *should* or because of any other external factor. Now, for someone to say, or even imply, that I am "turning my back on a gift" because I chose not to have kids is really and truly offensive.

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Moderator3 -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 7:44:56 AM)

I've had to remove one post, but cannot be sure of which posts were actual responses to it. So if things look a little odd, that is why.

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SweetForDaddy -> RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman (11/5/2014 7:46:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Right, stupid but possibly mild-smile inducing interlude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMMQVWEr3aI


lol

theres also this one:

she aint playin

I'm not suggesting we counter verbal abuse with physical assault but it still gave me a giggle.




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