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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Bull... the link is there ...if you want it look... it is the same link you have been talking about... for the news stories do the same they are there... if you give a crap about knowing look.. if not I am not doing the work for you... the truth is there I don't give a crap whether you look for it or not.

If the information was hard to find I would do it... but its not.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,158625,00.html

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/oct/08/bill-oreilly/oreilly-no-muslim-government-called-out-those-who-/
amazingly this one woman at the time, couldnt produce more than one movie...which is the "happy palestinians," which was another, clip manipulated.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/41898/911-muslim-attacks-on-us-remember-what-happened-who-did-it-who-celebrated/

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Possible explanations range from genuine error based in ignorance or misinformation through to raving Islamophobia.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

That long derail meant that there was no discussion of the popular response of Sydney people to the siege - best exemplified by the #illridewithyou hashtag on Twitter.

Often Muslims using public transport have been singled out for abuse and sometimes violence following terrorist actions in the past. People used this hashtag to volunteer to ride with anyone who felt threatened. We wanted to reassure our Muslim community that they were part of us and abuse or violence towards them was unacceptable to us.

One of the reasons that motivated me and many of my friends to join in this movement was to deny the home grown bigots and right wing thugs the chance to attack Muslims en masse and whip up more hatred. For too many times these nasty types have seized the initiative following some terrorist outrage. They made such a din it was impossible for more moderate saner voices to be heard.bigots

We seemed to be successful at stopping them. The usual suspects - Rightwingers, shock jocks, etc - seemed unsure how to react to this popular response and for once were silent or muted in their words. It took them several days to work out how to complain or criticise this movement and even then those criticisms sounded contrived and hollow.

It was good to see that for once the voices of ordinary people - who want no part of prejudice and bigotry - speaking louder than the bigots. Can people see similar actions taking place in other locations? How best can we prevent the voices of bigotry dominating response to terrorism?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,158625,00.html

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/oct/08/bill-oreilly/oreilly-no-muslim-government-called-out-those-who-/
amazingly this one woman at the time, couldnt produce more than one movie...which is the "happy palestinians," which was another, clip manipulated.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/41898/911-muslim-attacks-on-us-remember-what-happened-who-did-it-who-celebrated/

Thanks for the links lucy.

There seems to be a paucity of actual evidence to support claims of widespread celebrations in the Muslim world following 9/11.

The evidence produced to date appears to rely heavily on a single piece of dubious footage showing "happy Palestinians" allegedly "celebrating' 9/11". I reviewed this evidence briefly in post #134 and found it fails to convince (to say the least). Against this the politifact link confirms widespread condemnation of 9/11 across the Arab/Muslim world. So while it seems likely that the horrors of 9/11 found favour in some isolated Muslim/Arab quarters, this support appears limited in extent and there appears to be no reason to suppose this support was widespread or representative.

Easy to see why kdsub is either unable or unwilling to post links supporting his claims. One is forced to wonder why some individuals posting here are so heavily invested in spreading these dubious claims. Possible explanations range from genuine error based in ignorance or misinformation through to raving Islamophobia.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
"paucity of actual claims?"

here is one site that aggregated a large handful. it only took me just a minute to find it.

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2012/09/muslims-celebrated-the-sep-11-attacks.html

you will see the page takes first hand accounts from Germany, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iran and even Washington DC. Note in particular the documentary linked at the end. http://www.memrifilms.org/9-11-five-years-later.php

while im here---its interesting to note that the only thing liberals have in common with fundamental islam is their mutual hatred for America. They (the Muslims) are in stark disagreement with everything else you (the liberals) hold dear and if you found yourself living in a true Muslim state (which is their goal) you would be either oppressed, jailed, or executed for your beliefs and lifestyle.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
There seems to be a paucity of actual evidence to support claims of widespread celebrations in the Muslim world following 9/11.

The evidence produced to date appears to rely heavily on a single piece of dubious footage showing "happy Palestinians" allegedly "celebrating' 9/11". I reviewed this evidence briefly in post #134 and found it fails to convince (to say the least). Against this the politifact link confirms widespread condemnation of 9/11 across the Arab/Muslim world. So while it seems likely that the horrors of 9/11 found favour in some isolated Muslim/Arab quarters, this support appears limited in extent and there appears to be no reason to suppose this support was widespread or representative.

Easy to see why kdsub is either unable or unwilling to post links supporting his claims. One is forced to wonder why some individuals posting here are so heavily invested in spreading these dubious claims. Possible explanations range from genuine error based in ignorance or misinformation through to raving Islamophobia.

"paucity of actual claims?"

here is one site that aggregated a large handful. it only took me just a minute to find it.

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2012/09/muslims-celebrated-the-sep-11-attacks.html

you will see the page takes first hand accounts from Germany, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iran and even Washington DC. Note in particular the documentary linked at the end. http://www.memrifilms.org/9-11-five-years-later.php

while im here---its interesting to note that the only thing liberals have in common with fundamental islam is their mutual hatred for America. They (the Muslims) are in stark disagreement with everything else you (the liberals) hold dear and if you found yourself living in a true Muslim state (which is their goal) you would be either oppressed, jailed, or executed for your beliefs and lifestyle.