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It seems that this person had mental issues/instability.. so how is this a terrorism thing any more than someone killing because he/she heard voices telling him/her to kill their children to "save" them or send them to a "better place" or someone saying Satan told them to.. or a mentally ill husband who takes his wife and kids hostage or commits murder suicide.. or of any other delusions a mentally ill person would come up with? It seems to me that many of these types of incidents are a result of mental problems that are not treated or properly treated and that should be a greater focus.. wasn't there another thread here a while ago about a mentally ill person turned killer & how the health care system fails the mentally ill? (maybe Newtown?).. anyway, that's jmo..

http://www.dw.de/sydney-gunman-had-history-of-mental-instability/a-18133289

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-another-improperly-treated-mentally-ill-man-becomes-mass-killer/

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I recently learnt from Muslims that ISIS stands for Israel Internal Security, and that we were all fooled into thinking jews are muslims, so they believe ISIS is a Jewish group trying to invade Islamic countries. And the western media is completely fooled and report them as a Muslim group. And they truly from the bottom of heart believe that ISIS is a jewish movement that they are so frustrated and angry the media is not reporting accurately and blaming ISIS on muslims.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Will Barack will tell us that these Islamists arent Islamic

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Taliban storm Pakistani school, killing 126 (children)

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-taliban-attack-military-school-kill-2-072153239.html

Will there ever be widespread backlash against Islamists, and the book that teaches their ideology

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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It seems that this person had mental issues/instability.. so how is this a terrorism thing any more than someone killing because he/she heard voices telling him/her to kill their children to "save" them or send them to a "better place" or someone saying Satan told them to.. or a mentally ill husband who takes his wife and kids hostage or commits murder suicide.. or of any other delusions a mentally ill person would come up with? It seems to me that many of these types of incidents are a result of mental problems that are not treated or properly treated and that should be a greater focus.. wasn't there another thread here a while ago about a mentally ill person turned killer & how the health care system fails the mentally ill? (maybe Newtown?).. anyway, that's jmo..

http://www.dw.de/sydney-gunman-had-history-of-mental-instability/a-18133289

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-another-improperly-treated-mentally-ill-man-becomes-mass-killer/

Prior to the attack he proclaimed his support of ISIS.
To argue that he was imbalanced means he could not be a terrorist is irrational.
Terrorists are by there nature often imbalanced.

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Here in Australia, no one is pointing the finger at Islam,..

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ORIGINAL: tj444

this is a Fast Reply-

It seems that this person had mental issues/instability.. so how is this a terrorism thing any more than someone killing because he/she heard voices telling him/her to kill their children to "save" them or send them to a "better place" or someone saying Satan told them to.. or a mentally ill husband who takes his wife and kids hostage or commits murder suicide.. or of any other delusions a mentally ill person would come up with? It seems to me that many of these types of incidents are a result of mental problems that are not treated or properly treated and that should be a greater focus.. wasn't there another thread here a while ago about a mentally ill person turned killer & how the health care system fails the mentally ill? (maybe Newtown?).. anyway, that's jmo..

http://www.dw.de/sydney-gunman-had-history-of-mental-instability/a-18133289

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-another-improperly-treated-mentally-ill-man-becomes-mass-killer/

Prior to the attack he proclaimed his support of ISIS.
To argue that he was imbalanced means he could not be a terrorist is irrational.
Terrorists are by there nature often imbalanced.

Please stop taking this poor deranged individual seriously. He was so incompetent that he neglected to bring his IS banner with him and so had to include the provision of an IS flag as one of the demands he made to the authorities ..... By turning it into a serious terrorist incident you are playing directly into the hands of IS who would love to be able to claim that their reach extends far beyond the borders of their 'Caliphate'.

If there is a terrorism-related aspect to this sad incident, it is in the way the people of Sydney reacted to the event, reaching out to our Muslim community and together standing tall against the forces of hate and bigotry. This has ensured that bigots and fundamentalists (on all sides, including our right wing fundies and loonies) have been sidelined and silenced. The silence of the usual suspects on the Right, normally too quick to jump onto any anti-Muslim bandwagon, has been deafening.

Here in Australia, no one is pointing the finger at Islam, Iran or Iranians, or terrorists. Most people here accept that the perp was a deeply troubled individual with serious mental and legal challenges, acting on his own initiative. The only place I see people pointing fingers are here on these boards, usually by people far removed from the event, people with their own Islamophobic agendas to push. I wish they could follow the lead of Australia's Islamophobes and grace the discussion with their silence.

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this is a Fast Reply-

It seems that this person had mental issues/instability.. so how is this a terrorism thing any more than someone killing because he/she heard voices telling him/her to kill their children to "save" them or send them to a "better place" or someone saying Satan told them to.. or a mentally ill husband who takes his wife and kids hostage or commits murder suicide.. or of any other delusions a mentally ill person would come up with? It seems to me that many of these types of incidents are a result of mental problems that are not treated or properly treated and that should be a greater focus.. wasn't there another thread here a while ago about a mentally ill person turned killer & how the health care system fails the mentally ill? (maybe Newtown?).. anyway, that's jmo..

http://www.dw.de/sydney-gunman-had-history-of-mental-instability/a-18133289

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-another-improperly-treated-mentally-ill-man-becomes-mass-killer/

Prior to the attack he proclaimed his support of ISIS.
To argue that he was imbalanced means he could not be a terrorist is irrational.
Terrorists are by there nature often imbalanced.

Please stop taking this poor deranged individual seriously. He was so incompetent that he neglected to bring his IS banner with him and so had to include the provision of an IS flag as one of the demands he made to the authorities ..... By turning it into a serious terrorist incident you are playing directly into the hands of IS who would love to be able to claim that their reach extends far beyond the borders of their 'Caliphate'.

If there is a terrorism-related aspect to this sad incident, it is in the way the people of Sydney reacted to the event, reaching out to our Muslim community and together standing tall against the forces of hate and bigotry. This has ensured that bigots and fundamentalists (on all sides, including our right wing fundies and loonies) have been sidelined and silenced. The silence of the usual suspects on the Right, normally too quick to jump onto any anti-Muslim bandwagon, has been deafening.

Here in Australia, no one is pointing the finger at Islam, Iran or Iranians, or terrorists. Most people here accept that the perp was a deeply troubled individual with serious mental and legal challenges, acting on his own initiative. The only place I see people pointing fingers are here on these boards, usually by people far removed from t*he event, people with their own Islamophobic agendas to push. I wish they could follow the lead of Australia's Islamophobes and grace the discussion with their silence.

I only take him as seriously as I do any other nutcase who goes out to kill people.
Proclaiming everyone who are see the obvious terror inspiration in this to be Islamaphobes is hiding your head in the sand.

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this is a Fast Reply-

It seems that this person had mental issues/instability.. so how is this a terrorism thing any more than someone killing because he/she heard voices telling him/her to kill their children to "save" them or send them to a "better place" or someone saying Satan told them to.. or a mentally ill husband who takes his wife and kids hostage or commits murder suicide.. or of any other delusions a mentally ill person would come up with? It seems to me that many of these types of incidents are a result of mental problems that are not treated or properly treated and that should be a greater focus.. wasn't there another thread here a while ago about a mentally ill person turned killer & how the health care system fails the mentally ill? (maybe Newtown?).. anyway, that's jmo..

http://www.dw.de/sydney-gunman-had-history-of-mental-instability/a-18133289

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-another-improperly-treated-mentally-ill-man-becomes-mass-killer/

Prior to the attack he proclaimed his support of ISIS.
To argue that he was imbalanced means he could not be a terrorist is irrational.
Terrorists are by there nature often imbalanced.

Please stop taking this poor deranged individual seriously. He was so incompetent that he neglected to bring his IS banner with him and so had to include the provision of an IS flag as one of the demands he made to the authorities ..... By turning it into a serious terrorist incident you are playing directly into the hands of IS who would love to be able to claim that their reach extends far beyond the borders of their 'Caliphate'.

If there is a terrorism-related aspect to this sad incident, it is in the way the people of Sydney reacted to the event, reaching out to our Muslim community and together standing tall against the forces of hate and bigotry. This has ensured that bigots and fundamentalists (on all sides, including our right wing fundies and loonies) have been sidelined and silenced. The silence of the usual suspects on the Right, normally too quick to jump onto any anti-Muslim bandwagon, has been deafening.

Here in Australia, no one is pointing the finger at Islam, Iran or Iranians, or terrorists. Most people here accept that the perp was a deeply troubled individual with serious mental and legal challenges, acting on his own initiative. The only place I see people pointing fingers are here on these boards, usually by people far removed from t*he event, people with their own Islamophobic agendas to push. I wish they could follow the lead of Australia's Islamophobes and grace the discussion with their silence.

I only take him as seriously as I do any other nutcase who goes out to kill people.
Proclaiming everyone who are see the obvious terror inspiration in this to be Islamaphobes is hiding your head in the sand.

If you insist on taking this demented soul seriously that's your choice. It doesn't seem justified by the facts that are in the public domain at the moment.

I can report that the kinds of security-related questions being asked here are along the lines of:
* How did a person with such a long history of violence obtain access to firearms? How did he apparently maintain this access despite being charged with c40 counts of sexual assault, and with involvement in the murder of his ex-wife?
* How did a person with his history obtain bail on the string of sexual assault charges he is currently facing?
* How did a person with his history fall off the security agencies 'watch list' c5 years ago and stay off it despite his subsequent arrest on sexual assault and accessory to murder charges?

Perhaps further questions will emerge as more facts about the siege and the perp emerge but the above is the focus of inquiry here at the moment. Only one of the three questions has any kind of terrorism connection and even then the connection is far from direct.

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this is a Fast Reply-

It seems that this person had mental issues/instability.. so how is this a terrorism thing any more than someone killing because he/she heard voices telling him/her to kill their children to "save" them or send them to a "better place" or someone saying Satan told them to.. or a mentally ill husband who takes his wife and kids hostage or commits murder suicide.. or of any other delusions a mentally ill person would come up with? It seems to me that many of these types of incidents are a result of mental problems that are not treated or properly treated and that should be a greater focus.. wasn't there another thread here a while ago about a mentally ill person turned killer & how the health care system fails the mentally ill? (maybe Newtown?).. anyway, that's jmo..

http://www.dw.de/sydney-gunman-had-history-of-mental-instability/a-18133289

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-another-improperly-treated-mentally-ill-man-becomes-mass-killer/

Prior to the attack he proclaimed his support of ISIS.
To argue that he was imbalanced means he could not be a terrorist is irrational.
Terrorists are by there nature often imbalanced.

Please stop taking this poor deranged individual seriously. He was so incompetent that he neglected to bring his IS banner with him and so had to include the provision of an IS flag as one of the demands he made to the authorities ..... By turning it into a serious terrorist incident you are playing directly into the hands of IS who would love to be able to claim that their reach extends far beyond the borders of their 'Caliphate'.

If there is a terrorism-related aspect to this sad incident, it is in the way the people of Sydney reacted to the event, reaching out to our Muslim community and together standing tall against the forces of hate and bigotry. This has ensured that bigots and fundamentalists (on all sides, including our right wing fundies and loonies) have been sidelined and silenced. The silence of the usual suspects on the Right, normally too quick to jump onto any anti-Muslim bandwagon, has been deafening.

Here in Australia, no one is pointing the finger at Islam, Iran or Iranians, or terrorists. Most people here accept that the perp was a deeply troubled individual with serious mental and legal challenges, acting on his own initiative. The only place I see people pointing fingers are here on these boards, usually by people far removed from t*he event, people with their own Islamophobic agendas to push. I wish they could follow the lead of Australia's Islamophobes and grace the discussion with their silence.

I only take him as seriously as I do any other nutcase who goes out to kill people.
Proclaiming everyone who are see the obvious terror inspiration in this to be Islamaphobes is hiding your head in the sand.

If you insist on taking this demented soul seriously that's your choice. It doesn't seem justified by the facts that are in the public domain at the moment.

I can report that the kinds of security-related questions being asked here are along the lines of:
* How did a person with such a long history of violence obtain access to firearms? How did he apparently maintain this access despite being charged with c40 counts of sexual assault, and with involvement in the murder of his ex-wife?
* How did a person with his history obtain bail on the string of sexual assault charges he is currently facing?
* How did a person with his history fall off the security agencies 'watch list' c5 years ago and stay off it despite his subsequent arrest on sexual assault and accessory to murder charges?

Perhaps further questions will emerge as more facts about the siege and the perp emerge but the above is the focus of inquiry here at the moment. Only one of the three questions has any kind of terrorism connection and even then the connection is far from direct.

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Perhaps because no one wanted to be accused of racism.

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Politesub I will call bollocks on you… and tweak…and anyone else that thinks these acts throughout the world committed by many thousands of individuals are the result of mental illness. There are just too many and most are the followers of Islam.

I know more than my share of the mentally ill and it is an insult to them to say they are capable of murder under any circumstances. Now you can call them mentally ill if you like… but let me express my opinion that if they are mentally ill they are murders first… then nuts second… and if you were to cure their mental illness you would still have a murderer.

Butch

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Sure you did. You make up so much bullshit it is hard to keep track.

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Being a Sydneysider, I am of course quite biased but I do believe that our reaction to this incident offers an example of how to respond to terrorist attacks that the world could do well to study and learn from. Rather than attacking and further marginalising minority groups and subcultures, we chose to stand by our Muslim community, to protect it against our own home-grown bigots and to unite and jointly stand against the forces of hate and bigotry.
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It seems that this person had mental issues/instability..

Do you also think the beheadings are an act of the mentally ill... Do you think the purposeful killing of 137 innocent children are the act of the mentally ill... do you think the purposeful bombing and killing of 80 children an act of the mentally ill...Do you think the shooting of little girls in the head or acid in the face because of wanting to learn an act of the mentally ill? Do you think the purposeful flying of planes into skyscrapers and the death of 3, 000 the act of the mentally ill...To say the above is to say those that follow radical Islam are bat shit crazy... You are right.

Butch

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It seems that this person had mental issues/instability.. so how is this a terrorism thing any more than someone killing because he/she heard voices telling him/her to kill their children to "save" them or send them to a "better place" or someone saying Satan told them to.. or a mentally ill husband who takes his wife and kids hostage or commits murder suicide.. or of any other delusions a mentally ill person would come up with? It seems to me that many of these types of incidents are a result of mental problems that are not treated or properly treated and that should be a greater focus.. wasn't there another thread here a while ago about a mentally ill person turned killer & how the health care system fails the mentally ill? (maybe Newtown?).. anyway, that's jmo..

http://www.dw.de/sydney-gunman-had-history-of-mental-instability/a-18133289

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-another-improperly-treated-mentally-ill-man-becomes-mass-killer/

It seems as though you have forgotten the first rule of being a terrorist and that is to Terrorize.

Terror is a tactic, not a faith or a mental illness.

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I hang around alot more Muslims than you do.

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So obviously you aren't expose to as much of their bullshit. Come to a hardcore show in SG, it's all anti-jew preaches, how jews are the real terrorists, and the scene is dominated by Muslims and always raising money for Palestine and their plight.

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There are at least a 100,000 or so in Syria and Iraq...who knows how many in Pakistan...let alone Afghanistan... You just cannot in good conscience claim they are all mentally ill... yet their crimes are even worse than the asshole in Sydney 100 fold.

Get a grip indeed... how about opening your eyes to reality.


Butch