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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:08:21 PM

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That's why you're simply assuming all sorts of evil intent for a program that's simply saying "Hey! Let's start an initiative to help pre-diabetics before they become diabetics!"

If the US did this, we'd save money...preventative care is cheaper than acute care.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:12:57 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

I may have mentioned this, but it is the, "ensure they are eating better and exercising more" by closely monitoring that caught my attention. Hence the quote about that being done in fiction. We do HAVE that technology now.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:16:27 PM

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We have guns and prisons too. Why not just assume we'll arrest them to be sure?

Or, you could conclude far more probably that the doctors are asked to follow up.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:19:47 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

When it's between doctor and patient, I agree. Not when it is the government who is now doing the advising.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:20:06 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

I may have mentioned this, but it is the, "ensure they are eating better and exercising more" by closely monitoring that caught my attention. Hence the quote about that being done in fiction. We do HAVE that technology now.

Why use technology when a change in diet might well do the trick? Usually it's the simplest solutions that work the best. Quite often a change in diet, exercise, and close monitoring are all that are needed.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:24:05 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

I may have mentioned this, but it is the, "ensure they are eating better and exercising more" by closely monitoring that caught my attention. Hence the quote about that being done in fiction. We do HAVE that technology now.

Why use technology when a change in diet might well do the trick? Usually it's the simplest solutions that work the best. Quite often a change in diet, exercise, and close monitoring are all that are needed.

and.. the NHS is going to offer it to those that want it for FREE!!!!

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:24:13 PM

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You don't have to teach me anything. Maybe you're willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt but the article does not indicate what you say it does.
The article says to identify and report overweight patients to the N.H.S.. The N.H.S. will then send advice to these identified patients. That is the government...through the insurance it provides...being involved in what should be between the doctor and the patient.

[sarcasm]This is the second time you've mentioned the phrase I emboldened. When are you evil rightists going to learn that government control of everything is good (as long as leftists control the government)? Coming soon to an Obummercare provider near you!

I think it's a great idea! In fact, I think it should be expanded to doctors having to report to the government those ladies that choose to have abortions ... just so that they can be "counseled", afterwards to ensure that they don't fuck up their birth control planning, again.

I like it![/sarcasm]

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:24:38 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

When it's between doctor and patient, I agree. Not when it is the government who is now doing the advising.

Totally your assumption that "it is the government who is now doing the advising."

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:27:05 PM

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You don't have to teach me anything. Maybe you're willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt but the article does not indicate what you say it does.
The article says to identify and report overweight patients to the N.H.S.. The N.H.S. will then send advice to these identified patients. That is the government...through the insurance it provides...being involved in what should be between the doctor and the patient.

[sarcasm]This is the second time you've mentioned the phrase I emboldened. When are you evil rightists going to learn that government control of everything is good (as long as leftists control the government)? Coming soon to an Obummercare provider near you!

I think it's a great idea! In fact, I think it should be expanded to doctors having to report to the government those ladies that choose to have abortions ... just so that they can be "counseled", afterwards to ensure that they don't fuck up their birth control planning, again.

I like it![/sarcasm]

Michael

Another one who reads what he assumes instead of what's there.

But American attitudes for a long time have been "fuck 'em, and we're willing to pay for the emergency care rather than the preventative care."

And if the government says, "Hey, Doc -- let's get likely pre-diabetics some preventative care," then that's bad.

Seriously, Michael. Get a grip.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:27:18 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

I may have mentioned this, but it is the, "ensure they are eating better and exercising more" by closely monitoring that caught my attention. Hence the quote about that being done in fiction. We do HAVE that technology now.

Why use technology when a change in diet might well do the trick? Usually it's the simplest solutions that work the best. Quite often a change in diet, exercise, and close monitoring are all that are needed.

and.. the NHS is going to offer it to those that want it for FREE!!!!

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:27:25 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

When it's between doctor and patient, I agree. Not when it is the government who is now doing the advising.

it sounds like there are some successful programs now in some areas and so they want to build on that and develop a national program for everyone that wants to give it a go..

"NHS organisations which have brought in successful local schemes to prevent diabetes will be asked to register their interest in designing the national programme by the end of the month. "

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:34:31 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

I may have mentioned this, but it is the, "ensure they are eating better and exercising more" by closely monitoring that caught my attention. Hence the quote about that being done in fiction. We do HAVE that technology now.

Why use technology when a change in diet might well do the trick? Usually it's the simplest solutions that work the best. Quite often a change in diet, exercise, and close monitoring are all that are needed.

and.. the NHS is going to offer it to those that want it for FREE!!!!

EXACTLY! Win/win. As for it coming from the government (if it does) I have no problems with that either. Here in Canada we have an awesome government-run breast cancer prevention program. Women over 50 yrs old, especially those at risk for breast cancer, are contacted and urged to get a mammo. There is also info on why and where to get one in their area. I have no problem with that either, in fact it's one of the few things this stupid government has gotten right.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:34:40 PM

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"GPs will be asked to identify patients who are putting on weight under a new national programme to help fight obesity."
Identify. And then follow up with their patients.
The government isn't going to do anything about it except ask doctors to do it, and presumably pass on the data (which need not contain names, just numbers).

If they government isn't going to do anything about it, why do they need the data?

How would a GP "identify" a patient that has gained weight without names and numbers? Does the government think that GP's don't know how to do their jobs in advising their patients to reduce weight and to screen for diabetes?!?

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:36:16 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

Do they think that's not already going on?

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:39:41 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

Do they think that's not already going on?

Clearly the government wants control of another aspect of life.
Like much of Obamacare it is not so much about health as control.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:40:04 PM

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"GPs will be asked to identify patients who are putting on weight under a new national programme to help fight obesity."
Identify. And then follow up with their patients.
The government isn't going to do anything about it except ask doctors to do it, and presumably pass on the data (which need not contain names, just numbers).

If they government isn't going to do anything about it, why do they need the data?

How would a GP "identify" a patient that has gained weight without names and numbers? Does the government think that GP's don't know how to do their jobs in advising their patients to reduce weight and to screen for diabetes?!?

Pre-diabetes. Preventative care for likely folks before they contract diabetes.

Clearly, the government is willing to pay for this preventative care.

Seems like a good idea to me. I can't help the phobias of those who can't grasp this.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:41:07 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

Do they think that's not already going on?

Clearly the government wants control of another aspect of life.

Yeah. That's probably it.

No other reason than that.

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:47:54 PM

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"GPs will be asked to identify patients who are putting on weight under a new national programme to help fight obesity."
Identify. And then follow up with their patients.
The government isn't going to do anything about it except ask doctors to do it, and presumably pass on the data (which need not contain names, just numbers).

If they government isn't going to do anything about it, why do they need the data?
How would a GP "identify" a patient that has gained weight without names and numbers? Does the government think that GP's don't know how to do their jobs in advising their patients to reduce weight and to screen for diabetes?!?

Pre-diabetes. Preventative care for likely folks before they contract diabetes.
Clearly, the government is willing to pay for this preventative care.
Seems like a good idea to me. I can't help the phobias of those who can't grasp this.

You can't grasp why people don't want government involved in it. Once again, it's not so much about the "what" (preventive care) as it is about the "how" (government).

Preventive care is, without a doubt, a great idea. Do Dr.'s not agree? If they do agree, don't you think they're already doing this stuff (besides the identifying)?

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:50:47 PM

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EXACTLY! Win/win. As for it coming from the government (if it does) I have no problems with that either. Here in Canada we have an awesome government-run breast cancer prevention program. Women over 50 yrs old, especially those at risk for breast cancer, are contacted and urged to get a mammo. There is also info on why and where to get one in their area. I have no problem with that either, in fact it's one of the few things this stupid government has gotten right.

Actually, there are a lot of things the Canadian govt has gotten right.. believe me (as I am Canadian and spending time here in the US I see just how difficult the US govt makes everything, not just healthcare).. I never had any problems with the health care system in Canada.. it really is pretty damn good..

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RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight - 12/26/2014 4:52:27 PM

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Aylee how can you not see that identifying patients who are at risk of developing diabetes (for example) and helping to prevent it by encouraging a healthy lifestyle as bad. It's called preventative medicine and it's a good thing.

Do they think that's not already going on?

Clearly the government wants control of another aspect of life.
Like much of Obamacare it is not so much about health as control.

I don't get how it being a government initiative equates control. All they are doing is help people not develop a disease. That isn't controlling them it's helping prevent a disease. They aren't forcing people to do anything they are offering help.

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