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LOL I have no fear or loathing of guns, no matter what YOU think or suggest is the truth. And you are being just as full of bullshit and hypocrisy about the "left".
Loathing is too strong a word, ....maybe but only of the idiots who use them with little regard for anyone elses life or rights...and those that dont give a shit. and whinge no one "gets" them.
This thread is testament to that.
I don't doubt you that you don't fear or loath guns but I don't think this thread is a testiment to anything like what you suggested. I doubt if there is anyone here who doesn't cringe when 20 kids are slaughtered by some idiot no matter how he does it or any other heinus gun crime. The issue with me is the fact that nothing being proposed here would have any effect what so ever in curbing gun crimes. Even background checks for new gun purchases which we all support won't have much effect. They might have more effect if we arrested on the spot and then prosecuted disqualified idiots who try to buy them through a legal vendor as well as other laws on the books we currently don't enforce. The gun availability ship sailed quite a few decades ago. Without a full blown police state and a confiscation scheme, nothing will work to curb the availability of guns. And I somewhat doubt that would entirely work so well either. Some of the things that I think would help have been discussed on other threads, but those on the other side of the issue object. I object to curbing my rights rather than going directly after the idiots who misuse firearms.
Many of us on my side of the issue grew up with guns around the home and owned them ourselves at a very early age. It's not hard to spot all the misconceptions and total bullshit concerning firearms. It's one reason why I tend to post more on gun threads than on other issues, I don't have to go chasing down links and facts all the time to prove my point because I usually know the answers. The gun problem in the US is actually far more complicated than just guns.
Two things here...it's rather disingenuous to suggest,even just a little ,that 20 kids getting slaughtered happens any other way but by gun violence
The second thing is you seem to be suggesting that since there's already so many guns why try to slow down the pipeline ?
That has my head shaking,seems to me the bar that you guys set is that if it won't stop all gun violence then lets not try to stop any
Perfection being the enemy of good ?
I lied,three things....the third and final being this....all you guys talk about our current gun laws and how ineffectual they actually are,there's two reasons for this 1) local ordinances don't stop out of state guns from coming in state...so it's a national strategy that is needed.
2) most gun laws are written so as not to push too hard at the NRA,lest they push back...in effect the gun lobby,the gun manufacturer's have written these laws and written them in such a way as to ensure that they don't prove too onerous to the manufacturer's
Right off Mike, on your first point, the OKC bomb took out an entire day care. I'm guessing there were 20 or more kids killed in that. When the World Trade Towers came down I'm going to speculate at least 20 kids perished there too. Just because it seems murdering kids happens more often with firearms, it's really not hard to prove there are much more effective means of murdering 10, 20 or 100 times or more kids than at Sandy Hook.
On your second point you're missing my point. Trying to slow down the pipeline with ineffective laws that primarily only effect law abiding gun owners is not the answer. Even if you stopped all new gun sales in the US tomorrow there are enough of them already out there to supply a black market for decades. And that doesn't even take into account the millions of surplus military arms stockpiled all over the world just waiting for entrepreneurs to smuggle them in. Not only can we not stop the supply of drugs from coming in, we can't even stop the resupply. What makes you think you're going to stop the guns ? Guns are reusable. Ya can't snort an AK 47 up your nose
On the third point there is actually a reason you left out why current gun laws are ineffective. We don't enforce all of them (see above).
Out of state guns coming into states with tougher gun laws so you need a national strategy ?? See above on your first point missing my point. We would need a world strategy assuming that it would work so much better than the drug strategy.
On number 2) of point 3, it's so easy to play the NRA boogyman card but you're so far off the mark on that one I wouldn't know where to begin.
ETA: Once again I'll say that the gun problem is far more complicated than being just about the guns.
< Message edited by lovmuffin -- 1/6/2015 3:14:42 PM >
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