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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 12:39:41 PM   
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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 12:44:20 PM   
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sounds like too many people are channeling Himmler.



And we have Godwin's law.

Himmler? Really Lucy, read some history. Himmler was NOT a tactician. In fact the commands he did hold (as far as fighting goes) did NOT go well for him.

"How to win a war" has really not changed in the last thousands of years. Which is why you have seen the Romans referenced. Think about it this way. . . what did it take for the Persians to win at the Battle of Thermopylae? If you are unsure, there is a movie about it.

But if you really want a comparison to a German, here you go: "Bleed them white." Field Marshal Erich von Falkenhayn, World War I (1916).


Of course I may have misunderstood your comment and what you are referring to is the number of posters who think we should just "make peace" with ISIS. That would also be "Himmler-ish."


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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 12:45:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ayleewhat did it take for the Persians to win at the Battle of Thermopylae?

300 dead Spartans...

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 12:47:45 PM   
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this is one very large reason why the vince flynn, brad thor and lee child books are so wildly popular.



I don't know the references?



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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 12:51:14 PM   
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sounds like too many people are channeling Himmler.



And we have Godwin's law.

Himmler? Really Lucy, read some history. Himmler was NOT a tactician. In fact the commands he did hold (as far as fighting goes) did NOT go well for him.

"How to win a war" has really not changed in the last thousands of years. Which is why you have seen the Romans referenced. Think about it this way. . . what did it take for the Persians to win at the Battle of Thermopylae? If you are unsure, there is a movie about it.

But if you really want a comparison to a German, here you go: "Bleed them white." Field Marshal Erich von Falkenhayn, World War I (1916).


Of course I may have misunderstood your comment and what you are referring to is the number of posters who think we should just "make peace" with ISIS. That would also be "Himmler-ish."



oh waaah
just callin it like I see it,
I dont give a shit about godwins law darlin.
YOU are thinking 2-3 million people, need to die.
and you have a problem with me?
I could care less, what you think
himmler charted the final solution, pogroms to get rid of the jews.
you are talking about attempting genocide,
get off your high horse,


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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 12:59:16 PM   
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ISIS is Muslims fighting Muslims.



Theyre crucifying Christians, murdering and torturing, raping and enslaving everyone in their path

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:02:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

sounds like too many people are channeling Himmler.



And we have Godwin's law.

Himmler? Really Lucy, read some history. Himmler was NOT a tactician. In fact the commands he did hold (as far as fighting goes) did NOT go well for him.

"How to win a war" has really not changed in the last thousands of years. Which is why you have seen the Romans referenced. Think about it this way. . . what did it take for the Persians to win at the Battle of Thermopylae? If you are unsure, there is a movie about it.

But if you really want a comparison to a German, here you go: "Bleed them white." Field Marshal Erich von Falkenhayn, World War I (1916).


Of course I may have misunderstood your comment and what you are referring to is the number of posters who think we should just "make peace" with ISIS. That would also be "Himmler-ish."



oh waaah
just callin it like I see it,
I dont give a shit about godwins law darlin.
YOU are thinking 2-3 million people, need to die.
and you have a problem with me?
I could care less, what you think
himmler charted the final solution, pogroms to get rid of the jews.
you are talking about attempting genocide,
get off your high horse,



It was an unintelligent comparison.

And since WHEN did 0.2% or less of a population start counting at a "significant portion" of a population?

And yes, I do think that it will take that many.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:06:56 PM   
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I didnt say anything about 0.2% of anything being a significant portion.
Im talking the NUMBERS not the percentage that should be (according to you) allowed to be destroyed.


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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:07:16 PM   
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sounds like too many people are channeling Himmler.



"How to win a war" has really not changed in the last thousands of years. Which is why you have seen the Romans referenced. Think about it this way. . . what did it take for the Persians to win at the Battle of Thermopylae? If you are unsure, there is a movie about it.

But if you really want a comparison to a German, here you go: "Bleed them white." Field Marshal Erich von Falkenhayn, World War I (1916).



Except his judgement was poor. They didn't bleed the French white at Verdun; they further roused French Patriotism meaning the French took everything the Germans could throw at them.

He was promptly sacked, the Germans didn't go on the offensive again until 1918, and they lost the war.






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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:12:51 PM   
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Unintelligent is calling for 2-3 MILLION PEOPLE to die
I didnt say anything about 0.2% of anything being a significant portion.
Im talking the NUMBERS not the percentage that should be (according to you) allowed to be destroyed.



If it is not a significant portion, then it is not genocide.

So how many deaths of those willing to "fight to the death" do you think it will take?

3% of the world's population were killed in WW2.

My estimate for what it will take is less than a tenth of that.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:14:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		BREAKING NEWS - CONFIRMED: Jordanian air-force strikes ISIS targets killing 55, including top commander known as 'Prince of Nineveh'. - i24



https://twitter.com/IsraelHatzolah/status/563048741733924865

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:22:08 PM   
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ISIS is Muslims fighting Muslims.



Theyre crucifying Christians, murdering and torturing, raping and enslaving everyone in their path

and most of the victims are Muslims.

Gosh. They sound like not nice people. I'll bet the other Muslims don't like them much either.


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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:23:57 PM   
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SO what suggestions does anyone have about what to do? a standing army wont work, ...this is terrorism.


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State owned, state run armies always seem to try to fight the next war just like they fought the last one. There are too many examples to mention of how insurgencies using unorthodox methods have beat the crap out of the establishment.
One method of dealing with this kind of problem that never seems to get mentioned is to do nothing at all. Rather than direct confrontation that always results in death and destruction, and questions about just who the good guys really are, maybe sealing them off would get the point across just as effectively. Nothing in, or out. Not even air if it can be helped. Rather than using coalition planes to bomb, and coalition soldiers to shoot, and humanitarian agencies to support them, use these assets to form a ring.
I know there will be a lot of reasons brought up why this wouldn't work, so use these reasons as one way to find the leaks, and plug them up. These people will either have to find a way to live with each other, or annihilate each other. Either way, problem solved, and no civilized human will have to kill to get it done.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:34:30 PM   
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Unintelligent is calling for 2-3 MILLION PEOPLE to die
I didnt say anything about 0.2% of anything being a significant portion.
Im talking the NUMBERS not the percentage that should be (according to you) allowed to be destroyed.



If it is not a significant portion, then it is not genocide.

So how many deaths of those willing to "fight to the death" do you think it will take?

3% of the world's population were killed in WW2.

My estimate for what it will take is less than a tenth of that.

oh dear god
extermination, probably fits better...




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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:41:58 PM   
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“Peace is not the absence of war but the presence of justice”


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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 1:44:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The real question is, will Sunnis and Shiites be able to reach an accord, share power, and coexist in IRAQ. The US blew the doors off this conflict with a series of stupid policy decisions that led to a VIOLENT sectarian insurgency. Patreaus quieted the conflict by simply paying off the SUNNIs with millions of US dollars in CASH, but at the same time the US installed Maliki (an avowed sectarian Shiite) as prime minister of IRAQ.

Soon as the US pulled out of IRAQ, the army became a Shiite kleptocracy of ill-picked commanders -- commanders who fled their posts when confronted with the ISIS conflict.

Recently, I've read that our government in Afghanistan is also a kleptocratic, criminal organization. Two (2) abject failures of nation building -- this naturally leads to a staunch opposition.

It's almost mind-boggling now to consider that Rumsfeldt had ordered US troop withdrawals (2003) just months after the US invasion --- and how Washington simply had no idea what we'd started and what was to come.

Assuming ISIS falls: will we see Shiite ethnic cleansing afterward?

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 2:43:52 PM   
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“Peace is not the absence of war but the presence of justice”



I think you may have missed a pertinent point as it should read: "....not merely the absence of war....", which gives the quote an altogether different complexion.

I'm not sure what the point of quoting this is, though, given that 100% of people on this thread value law and order.

On second thoughts, I'll take that back as it seems a similar quote can be attributed to Spinoza, i.e. "not the absence of war".

Not sure of the relevance in the context of the thread?

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 3:46:59 PM   
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“Peace is not the absence of war but the presence of justice”



I think you may have missed a pertinent point as it should read: "....not merely the absence of war....", which gives the quote an altogether different complexion.

I'm not sure what the point of quoting this is, though, given that 100% of people on this thread value law and order.

On second thoughts, I'll take that back as it seems a similar quote can be attributed to Spinoza, i.e. "not the absence of war".

Not sure of the relevance in the context of the thread?




The absence of fear, the presence of opportunity, the freedom to travel, work, live, and worship how you choose (as long as no one else is affected.)

There's a lot to peace. Many things have to be both in place and functioning before peace can be 'declared.'

Those things take justice.

If a nation abuses its citizens, is it just to let them? If a man kills a dozen other men, is it just to allow him to live his life, no matter how confined? Most people's conceptions of peace cannot include beatings, imprisonment, rape, slavery, and the like.

Without justice, there is no peace.

But for your perusal:

http://www.niu.edu/law/organizations/law_review/pdfs/full_issues/29_2/Pixler.pdf

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 4:01:27 PM   
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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/4/2015 4:30:32 PM   
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ISIL will pay for everything they have done. They will piss off so much of the world, that justice will be swift and hard.


lets play who's sock is this?

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