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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:00:02 AM   
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....and a healthy distrust of government is needed to keep them honest.

It would appear that you are failing miserably!


Too many people who think that any distrust of the innate perfection of government is grounds for deportation.
What happened to the Bush era leftist mantra of dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:01:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		This guy was a left wing nut case but we hardly hear about how the people who are Rachel Madow fans going on a killing spree.

Anyway, unfortunately I have to agree with a lot of the anti islamic posts. I have met several Muslims. The American born ones are mostly not into any of the fanaticism.

The foreign born ones seem to fall into different groups depending on where they are from. Some are just like most people who come here and want a better life.

Others also want a better life but feel that Islam should be imposed on everyone and feel free to lie to non Muslims. I would say that the few I met from Pakistan are more fanatical. I met a few from some of the rural areas who don't seem to be as cultured as those from the bigger cities.

If people don't want to adopt American values of tolerance they shouldn't be here. The shooter also should also get the death penalty for killing those people. What is wrong is that the left wing media will try to portray this guy as a right wing gun nut and there will probably be an insanity defense showing how badly our system has broken down. The country also is breaking down by letting in people who don't share or want to adopt American values but no one is going to say anything about that.


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:03:43 AM   
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This guy was a left wing nut case but we hardly hear about how the people who are Rachel Madow fans going on a killing spree.

Anyway, unfortunately I have to agree with a lot of the anti islamic posts. I have met several Muslims. The American born ones are mostly not into any of the fanaticism.

The foreign born ones seem to fall into different groups depending on where they are from. Some are just like most people who come here and want a better life.

Others also want a better life but feel that Islam should be imposed on everyone and feel free to lie to non Muslims. I would say that the few I met from Pakistan are more fanatical. I met a few from some of the rural areas who don't seem to be as cultured as those from the bigger cities.

If people don't want to adopt American values of tolerance they shouldn't be here. The shooter also should also get the death penalty for killing those people. What is wrong is that the left wing media will try to portray this guy as a right wing gun nut and there will probably be an insanity defense showing how badly our system has broken down. The country also is breaking down by letting in people who don't share or want to adopt American values but no one is going to say anything about that.



Well said.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:05:12 AM   
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And the Jews stop at that time as well, old testament, all that, old chap.

I know a few Jews and even a few in the US (Jax, FL) and although they follow much of the hebrew scriptures and very devout, they still integrate into the 21st century and live like most 'normal' people do.

Islamics don't.
They pick the bits from our modern society that suits them (the free handouts and free education etc), but other than that, they live in the 4th century and only pay lip-service to our western laws.
They still believe in FGM, women as chattel, slaves, and world domination.


The muslim victims in this thread were only paying lip service to western laws???
or are you talking about the "rest of them"



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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:08:55 AM   
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And the Jews stop at that time as well, old testament, all that, old chap.

I know a few Jews and even a few in the US (Jax, FL) and although they follow much of the hebrew scriptures and very devout, they still integrate into the 21st century and live like most 'normal' people do.

Islamics don't.
They pick the bits from our modern society that suits them (the free handouts and free education etc), but other than that, they live in the 4th century and only pay lip-service to our western laws.
They still believe in FGM, women as chattel, slaves, and world domination.


Boy o boy, I dunno, Bennie Netanyahu wears a suit and tie, but thats as far as he goes. There are some 12.5 million muslims in the US, and they are certainly not world dominating right here. A miasma of hyperbole, n'est ce pas?


Not from my perspective, Ron.
How many Islamics were there in the US a century ago? or even 50 years ago?
Same can be said here and in the EU.
Slowly creeping in and not really integrating... biding their time.

How many 'home grown' terrorists/extremists have there been in recent times - both here and in the US?
How many went to join IS in the fight against western influences in islamic countries?
Just the tip of the iceberg waiting to sink the western ship.

One day, hopefully not in my lifetime, there will be a world war between the Islamics and the rest of the world.


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:12:03 AM   
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I believe there was a great deal more than western 'influence' that is the basis for this crap.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:15:46 AM   
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The shooter also should also get the death penalty for killing those people. What is wrong is that the left wing media will try to portray this guy as a right wing gun nut and there will probably be an insanity defense showing how badly our system has broken down. The country also is breaking down by letting in people who don't share or want to adopt American values but no one is going to say anything about that.



the left wing media have been very open to the fact that he isnt right wing religious.


The killer is all american. like it or not
he is in all likelyhood mentally disturbed in some way,.definitely an angry man from reports.
One thing for sure he is a gun nut....in the worst way.
Reverse the scenario.....1 muslim kills three american students.
I can guarantee you this topic would have been pulled off the board the day it started.
Nobody would be calling it a lone wolf, a mentally ill man or blaming the victims religion





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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:17:23 AM   
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Much as I hate our government and every politician lies (it's part of the territory), it would seem that at least ours don't deliberately obfuscate and act illegally to confiscate guns legally owned.


Therein lies the problem. If the authorities are willing to act illegally to confiscate firearms then what makes you think they won't do it when guns are registered, thus making confiscation much easier ??

Excellent post of yours on #268 BTW

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:19:10 AM   
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Boy o boy, I dunno, Bennie Netanyahu wears a suit and tie, but thats as far as he goes. There are some 12.5 million muslims in the US, and they are certainly not world dominating right here. A miasma of hyperbole, n'est ce pas?



Go live someplace like Iran for a time, where they are the majority







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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:22:24 AM   
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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:27:40 AM   
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the left wing media have been very open to the fact that he isnt right wing religious.


The killer is all american. like it or not
he is in all likelyhood mentally disturbed in some way,.definitely an angry man from reports.
One thing for sure he is a gun nut....in the worst way.
Reverse the scenario.....1 muslim kills three american students.
I can guarantee you this topic would have been pulled off the board the day it started.
Nobody would be calling it a lone wolf, a mentally ill man or blaming the victims religion



The Obama administration called the Fort Hood shootings "workplace violence"

And theres this:

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Barack Obama told VOX News today that “zealots” randomly shot “a bunch of folks in a Paris deli.”

Via Twitchy:





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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:30:25 AM   
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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:35:43 AM   
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When police have ceased firearms in businesses or homes during a disaster, they routinely make a note of the location. The firearms and ammo are kept in lock-up until the owners can arrive, prove ownership and take their arms back.


Aside from New Orleans I'm not aware of any other place this has ever happened because of a natural disaster. In fact your whole paragraph (and the rest of your post for that matter) is full of shit. What happened in N O was not routine nor did they catalog anything. The gun owners eventually prevailed in the courts and either got their guns back, were compensated or both.

You point a finger at Bama yet you're the one having trouble with the facts.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:36:54 AM   
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And why dont you go live in Finland and tell them how the fuck they are doing it wrong?


The point being, if they were the majority here they would be more likely to act that way here

You pointed to a tiny minority living among us peacefully so as to suggest there are no issues with the Islamic cult

Your logical fallacy is called cherry-picking







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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:42:38 AM   
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we have had those discussions ad nauseam, try sticking the topic at hand which is muslim victims, by an american ugly murdering pig


The "random people" Barack was referring to were Jews, shot up by Muslims

Which that runs counter to your short-sighted assertion, and therefore follows the topic you were posting in regard to perfectly

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:44:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your logical fallacy is called a hasty generalization with a heavy wrapping of appeal to ignorance.

The point is, there is no causality, nor is it beyond non-sequitur.

Look how fucking stupid the minority nutsackers act every day in this country without learning or understanding, so there is a prima facie example that your 'likelihood' is a typical hallucination.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:49:18 AM   
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.......it is just plain intellectual dishonesty!


Intellectual dishonesty would be more akin to reinterpreting the militia clause in the Second Amendment with walls of nonsensical text to suit your own world view.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:50:14 AM   
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Your logical fallacy is called a hasty generalization with a heavy wrapping of appeal to ignorance.

The point is, there is no causality, nor is it beyond non-sequitur.

Look how fucking stupid the minority nutsackers act every day in this country without learning or understanding, so there is a prima facie example that your 'likelihood' is a typical hallucination.


And actually, we have had issues with the minority that is here

Someone pointed out how many Muslim girls here are forced to undergo FGM for example

Then there was the Ft Hood shooting, 9/11, the Boston Marathon pressure cookers bombing, etc

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:53:35 AM   
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So a radical muslim walks into a bar and...


Too funny........yer just not right

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 8:54:29 AM   
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"The second amendment should not apply to modern weapons because the founding fathers didn't have them." There are variations and justifications for that thought but that seems to be the main point.
By that same logic, "Since the founding fathers didn't have television and the internet; the constitutional protections of free speech should not apply to them."
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I've noticed that some equate know how to do something nasty (i.e. firearms, explosives, etc) with being motivated to actually do something nasty to unsuspecting people. Taking that illogic to the bitter end; we would be incarcerating every military veteran and retiring police officers to the prisons.
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Equating firearm ownership with a license to operate a motor vehicle is a bit of apples and oranges comparison.
A> The right to keep and bear arms is a right.
B> Driving on public roads is a privilege.

Bearing arms in a public venue is constrained by law for the public safety. You need a license (Concealed Carry Permit) to carry a weapon where it is not readily visible. For open carry, there are laws against discharge in populated areas and, in many locales, laws against weapons being loaded when carried in populated locales.
It is not necessary to have a driver's license to own and operate a motor vehicle. It is just that without one; you can only operate the motor vehicle on private property. Once you enter a public road; complying with legal requirements for safety equipment, licensing, and inspections are required.
When you take a firearm off private property; you must comply with legal requirements for public safety.
In the U.S.; the amount of legal requirement on firearms is up to state and local government. Personally, I consider this the right way to go. What is proper for crowded Manhattan is not necessarily appropriate for rural Wyoming.

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