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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 7:20:33 AM   
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maybe someone will reply to you, but I know im not all that inclined when I see....

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That actually isn't true, it is the lie that keeps being spun so much by the anti government tea party idiots


...the first sentence of your post not only being an insult, but a false representation as well...

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 7:26:22 AM   
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You are a rare bird. An independent thinker who is often logical (in your posting) who seems to have some (if not many) conservative leanings.

What makes you rare here is being able to actually grasp facts while being "conservative." In the old days, it was the conservatives who tended maybe to be more fact based, but recent events since 1980 (evangelicals, supply side chicanery, strict orthodox thinking, climate change denial, and anti-education / pro war biases) conservatives have veered far away from fact-based thinking and analysis.

The gauntlet of insanity that conservative candidates will have to run for the Presidency is soon to be on full display -- and the absurdity of it will far exceed an SNL skit.

Parting Shot: You are consistently a good read.

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 7:42:54 AM   
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Regardless of where one stands on the issue, immigration is a current hot button issue...

Well, no. The hot button issue is illegal aliens. Pretending that the issue is immigration won't fly with me.

K.

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 7:44:48 AM   
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this one:





Note that these are all rightwing shitlicker blogs.

Not this one.



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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 7:48:13 AM   
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this one:




Notice that these are more rightwing shitlicker blogs, no journalism or fact amongst them. They repeat the original slobberer. Right wing hallucinatory blogs are given to circle jerk masturbatory shit like that.

Not this one.

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 7:51:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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8th Grade Class Receives Immigration Assignment that Leaves One Dad Shaking His Head

At Shattuck Middle School in Wisconsin, one 8th grade class was assigned homework on the topic of immigration policy in the United States using the following illustration...



The homework assignment asks:

Who are the men in the picture (What is their job? Look at what they are doing for a hint)
What are they building?
What do the symbols on their shirts represent?
What is action being done by each man?
What might this mean to us about immigration and citizenship?


What could possibly be wrong with this?

Jim Strick, the Communications Director for the Neenah Joint School District, confirmed to IJ Review that Davis did in fact assign the politically-charged worksheet. However, Strick was adamant that the assignment was not intended to shape the children’s political views...

Yeah, no.


Nothing wrong here. The image is quite neutral. Its showing a slice of American history (very recent US History). It shows the Democrats helping people enjoy being free and Republicans as the scum they are. Nope, don't see any problem with it. Its not politically charged, because anyone with half a brain could tell this image is an all true statement about the two major political parties on the topic of immigration.

What? Dont have half a brain?

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Wisconsin Mom Alarmed at What School Quiz Suggests Conservatives Think About the Poor

Students at Nathan Hale High School were asked to place this and other statements on a political spectrum...

We should not help the poor, it’s a waste of money.

The answer scored as correct is Conservative/Republican.



The student’s mother told Fox News the correction bothered her son... “We tend to only see what they are learning as parents when they need our assistance on something. I think that all parents need to realize that there are things taught sometimes to their kids that aren’t true or at best are misleading.”

This is what they want more money to teach?


Dont see any problem here either.....

The statement: "We should not help the poor, it’s a waste of money.", is indeed a conservative/Republican viewpoint.

Should we not teach students true information rather that political ideology? Saying that conservative/Republican viewpoint of helping the poor and its a good use of the taxpayer money, would be a falsehood. Its the stuff FOX 'new's would try to pass off as true.

Not just wrong but ridiculous.


Let me first say that I am more in line with the Republican point of view on immigration. That said, I see nothing wrong or misleading in the first picture. Obama is trying to build a pathway to make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens. Is he, or is he not? That is exactly what is depicted in the picture. The Republican stance on immigration is for the illegal immigrants to not have that ease of becoming citizens. Is that, or is that not correct? To me, that is exactly what is depicted in the picture. 100% accurate.

As far as the second picture. . .I seem to remember a Mitt Romney speech concerning the 47%. Directly in line with the corrected answer in the second picture. Again, it seems accurate to me.

Instead of simply saying, "Not just wrong but ridiculous," how about giving the reasons you feel it's wrong and/or ridiculous?


igor if I can try to answer your questions...

here is how i see the first photo as being misleading and I think someone else touched on this maybe---the question with Obama is not just plain "immigration" its "illegal immigration." there doesn't seem to be anything in the assignment or the photo that indicates the nuanced, but essential difference. there's also a very strong implied "Obama building something---good/mitch McConnell tearing something down---bad" sentiment to the photo. that completely glosses over the supposition that what/how Obama is building is in itself bad.

as far as the matching homework assignment---im not sure why you've focused on Romney. I don't see any connection between his 47% comment and the notion of that conservatives think helping the "poor is a waste of money." it almost goes without saying that most people want to help the poor---the difference between conservatives and liberals is how we want to go about doing it. again, the assignment doesn't have any of that nuance in it. in fact, one of the ways that difference manifests itself is in the amount of charitable giving in terms of both dollars and time spent---conservatives have it head and shoulders over liberals. the "waste of money" statement doesn't hold water.



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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 7:53:21 AM   
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remembering that 'illegal immigration' is a civil matter according to USC, whereas employing illegal immigrants is both a criminal and civil matter according to USC.

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 7:58:19 AM   
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perhaps its all a vast right wing conspiracy so all these places keep passing these "made up" stories around in order to make it look legitimate?

is it possible youre just never going to see these stories on any particular place that you consider "credible" because one, the left wing places you go to wont have them, and two, they are relatively small to be showing up on more "mainstream" outlets.




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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 8:07:07 AM   
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Uh, yeah, no.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/meet-elsa-the-snow-shoveling-dog/ (e pluribus unum) CBS news (which I do not watch) does a segment on a snow shoveling dog.

So, try something else for hallucinations. There may be some granis salis worth of truth in the reports, but they are factless, unattributable, and lacking fairness as well as credulity.

Sorry, asswipe until credible citations arrive.

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 8:08:54 AM   
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/kansas-republicans-want-to-criminalize-teaching-about-harmful-books/

Q.E.D.

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 8:13:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

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Regardless of where one stands on the issue, immigration is a current hot button issue...

Well, no. The hot button issue is illegal aliens. Pretending that the issue is immigration won't fly with me.

K.



But the overall issue is immigration. When you say that the issue is "illegal aliens," all you're really talking about is a piece of paper. The aforementioned political cartoon contained the phrase "path to citizenship," which involves changing that all important piece of paper to make "illegal" into "legal." But these are just legal technicalities, but once that's out of the way, then the underlying issue is still immigration. That's what the argument is about. That's why it's such a hot button issue. Pretending that the issue is just about not filling out their paperwork properly won't fly with me.

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 8:22:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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Regardless of where one stands on the issue, immigration is a current hot button issue...

Well, no. The hot button issue is illegal aliens. Pretending that the issue is immigration won't fly with me.

K.



But the overall issue is immigration. When you say that the issue is "illegal aliens," all you're really talking about is a piece of paper. The aforementioned political cartoon contained the phrase "path to citizenship," which involves changing that all important piece of paper to make "illegal" into "legal." But these are just legal technicalities, but once that's out of the way, then the underlying issue is still immigration. That's what the argument is about. That's why it's such a hot button issue. Pretending that the issue is just about not filling out their paperwork properly won't fly with me.

And the only difference between a citizen and a non-citizen is a piece of paper, and the difference between being acquitted and convicted is a piece of paper, the difference between a prescription and abuse of pain killers is a piece of paper, the difference between legal concealed carry and illegal concealed carry is, you got it , a piece of paper.
So do we pretend that all those are the same because the only difference is a piece of paper? Of course the problem is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 9:41:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

Regardless of where one stands on the issue, immigration is a current hot button issue...

Well, no. The hot button issue is illegal aliens. Pretending that the issue is immigration won't fly with me.

K.



But the overall issue is immigration. When you say that the issue is "illegal aliens," all you're really talking about is a piece of paper. The aforementioned political cartoon contained the phrase "path to citizenship," which involves changing that all important piece of paper to make "illegal" into "legal." But these are just legal technicalities, but once that's out of the way, then the underlying issue is still immigration. That's what the argument is about. That's why it's such a hot button issue. Pretending that the issue is just about not filling out their paperwork properly won't fly with me.

And the only difference between a citizen and a non-citizen is a piece of paper, and the difference between being acquitted and convicted is a piece of paper, the difference between a prescription and abuse of pain killers is a piece of paper, the difference between legal concealed carry and illegal concealed carry is, you got it , a piece of paper.
So do we pretend that all those are the same because the only difference is a piece of paper? Of course the problem is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.

no its not. its stupid and draconian immigration laws that are the problem.. unless you have a degree or family that can sponsor you or $500k- 1 million to invest, few immigrants can legally immigrate to the US.. even some of those (wives, hubbys) that do legally immigrate cant legally work.. how fn' stupid is that??? Take this wife mentioned in this article.. she legally immigrated with her hubby but she hasn't been able to legally work here for 6 fn' years!!!!! how fn' stupid is that???

"When Neha Mahajan's husband got a job transfer from New Delhi to New Jersey, she was excited to come along. But the thrill faded when the television reporter realized there was no way she could get a job in the United States because immigration rules barred her from working.
Over six years, she became deeply frustrated.
That changed Tuesday when the Obama administration announced a visa rule revision that will let spouses of some highly skilled immigrants apply to work in the United States starting this year."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/24/h-1b-visa-spouses-work-pe_n_6748102.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 9:53:54 AM   
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/kansas-republicans-want-to-criminalize-teaching-about-harmful-books/

Q.E.D.

That headline is not accurate, and the source is not unbiased. The legislation doesn't apply to colleges or universities, and allows parental approval as an affirmative defense. The full text of the bill (Senate 56) is here.

K.



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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 9:57:20 AM   
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And it agrees with the citation I proffered, albeit the RAWStory put a great deal of spin on it, but there is a kernel of some rather ill fitting truth.

Point made, (by me) and seconded (Kirata).

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 10:05:12 AM   
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albeit the RAWStory put a great deal of spin on it, but there is a kernel of some rather ill fitting truth.

Spin isn't the word I would have chosen (see here), but it works. RawStory was described by Newsweek as, "Muck, raked: If you're looking for alleged GOP malfeasance, the folks at rawstory.com are frequently scooping the mainstream media."

K.





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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 10:26:58 AM   
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/katherinemiller/the-right-wing-has-its-own-upworthy-and-you-wont-believe-how#.csgvjDwER

and more damning is the reality of ijreview.

I do not know that muckraking, nor pointing out alleged malfeasance is damning in and of itself, when we want to put the positives to it we call it whistleblowing.

So, again, its ring around the rosy for me, I shall wait on credible, citable, factual stuff regarding the OP et al, with the exception of the rightwing controlled, created, executed (but not claimed) Common Core asswipe.



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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 10:56:20 AM   
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so if I am reading you rightly, you would have conservative posters have to do what---hunt up the newspaper source from the town the story originates from?

its far too convenient to dismiss stories as not being credible simply because someone doesn't like their sources. it (seemingly but not really) absolves people from having to deal with the actual material of the post.

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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 11:01:24 AM   
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and more damning is the reality of ijreview.

Yeah, no. They accuse IJ of "reframing" rather than reporting, which may be true, or not, or a matter of opinion. People do view some things from different perspectives. But the RawStory piece is just plain lying.

K.





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RE: Progressive Education - 2/25/2015 11:51:07 AM   
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Well, no, your text agrees with the story. It may have been 'reframed' a bit, but not outright lying. They are trying to make it criminal to teach, distribute, give lessons on 'harmful' books.

The thing as written opens whatever anyone in their own opinion deems harmful by default criminal, and then gives the defenses you may use against it.


Go to court first, figure out if you are actually in violation later. I would say that is not progressive education, rather like most things they do, regressive.

Just thank god its not in Texas or Georgia.

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