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KenDckey -> Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 3:06:35 PM)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/hacked-emails-indicate-that-hillary-clinton-used-a-domain-registered-the-day-of-her-senate-hearings/

http://rt.com/usa/complete-emails-guccifer-clinton-554/

Seems Hillary may have done a couple things here
1 - Violated rules on use of personal e-mail addresses for official business
2 - Release of classified documents to an unclassified source (not whistleblowing)





bounty44 -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 3:47:47 PM)

ken I read something about either individuals or the media (I don't remember which), in response to this, calling for an investigation into scott walker's email usage!

as soon as the story came out, people on the right where tweeting "how long before someone cries for scott walker to be investigated" and then boom, there it was.

I need to go back to check to make sure im speaking rightly here but I think it goes beyond "rules;" it might be an actual law. again, I could be wrong.

something too about "hey, where are all the Benghazi emails we should be seeing??" I hope trey gowdy subpoenas the domain (gmail I believe) and does what he can to get as much as possible.

I have a book written by an fbi agent who was assigned to the white house during the Clinton administration...its paints a pretty good, but very ugly, picture of both of them. and whats amazing though, is people will know these things, and yet still vote for her...





BamaD -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 4:45:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

ken I read something about either individuals or the media (I don't remember which), in response to this, calling for an investigation into scott walker's email usage!

as soon as the story came out, people on the right where tweeting "how long before someone cries for scott walker to be investigated" and then boom, there it was.

I need to go back to check to make sure im speaking rightly here but I think it goes beyond "rules;" it might be an actual law. again, I could be wrong.

something too about "hey, where are all the Benghazi emails we should be seeing??" I hope trey gowdy subpoenas the domain (gmail I believe) and does what he can to get as much as possible.

I have a book written by an fbi agent who was assigned to the white house during the Clinton administration...its paints a pretty good, but very ugly, picture of both of them. and whats amazing though, is people will know these things, and yet still vote for her...



Any criticism of her forgets one important fact that proves she did nothing wrong. Her last name is Clinton.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 5:56:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/hacked-emails-indicate-that-hillary-clinton-used-a-domain-registered-the-day-of-her-senate-hearings/
http://rt.com/usa/complete-emails-guccifer-clinton-554/
Seems Hillary may have done a couple things here
1 - Violated rules on use of personal e-mail addresses for official business
2 - Release of classified documents to an unclassified source (not whistleblowing)


There may not have been any misconduct on Hillary's part. It's not uncommon, nor illegal, for a person in her position to have a non-government email account that is used.

I'm not saying she is completely innocent. I'm going to wait until more is known.




BamaD -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 6:08:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/hacked-emails-indicate-that-hillary-clinton-used-a-domain-registered-the-day-of-her-senate-hearings/
http://rt.com/usa/complete-emails-guccifer-clinton-554/
Seems Hillary may have done a couple things here
1 - Violated rules on use of personal e-mail addresses for official business
2 - Release of classified documents to an unclassified source (not whistleblowing)


There may not have been any misconduct on Hillary's part. It's not uncommon, nor illegal, for a person in her position to have a non-government email account that is used.

I'm not saying she is completely innocent. I'm going to wait until more is known.


reasonable





DesideriScuri -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 6:14:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/hacked-emails-indicate-that-hillary-clinton-used-a-domain-registered-the-day-of-her-senate-hearings/
http://rt.com/usa/complete-emails-guccifer-clinton-554/
Seems Hillary may have done a couple things here
1 - Violated rules on use of personal e-mail addresses for official business
2 - Release of classified documents to an unclassified source (not whistleblowing)

There may not have been any misconduct on Hillary's part. It's not uncommon, nor illegal, for a person in her position to have a non-government email account that is used.
I'm not saying she is completely innocent. I'm going to wait until more is known.

reasonable


Don't tease me about my character flaw!!! [:D]




Aylee -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 8:12:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/hacked-emails-indicate-that-hillary-clinton-used-a-domain-registered-the-day-of-her-senate-hearings/
http://rt.com/usa/complete-emails-guccifer-clinton-554/
Seems Hillary may have done a couple things here
1 - Violated rules on use of personal e-mail addresses for official business
2 - Release of classified documents to an unclassified source (not whistleblowing)


There may not have been any misconduct on Hillary's part. It's not uncommon, nor illegal, for a person in her position to have a non-government email account that is used.

I'm not saying she is completely innocent. I'm going to wait until more is known.




Federal Records Act.

The issue is making sure that all of her emails were preserved on department servers. It looks like this did not happen.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 8:17:14 PM)


Unfortunately for the Anti-Christ (Hillary), this links to another issue; the improper use of their foundation for campaign contributions.

There's whisperings that go something like: "If she ONLY used her private e-mail account to do the country's business and she, presumably used the same account for "personal" business, how can we be sure that the two didn't cross?"

In other words: when it comes to scandal, especially when we're talking about a person with influence, the mere appearance of impropriety is to be avoided. That didn't happen, here.

I hope they nail her ass to the wall for this. I hope it finally finishes her, politically.



Michael




cloudboy -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 8:28:59 PM)


Seems like the Department of State would have corrected something like this right off the bat. Funny how no one gave a shit until now.




KenDckey -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 9:29:16 PM)

This won't affect anything. Not in reality. She is Hillary

Untouchable.




KenDckey -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 9:46:04 PM)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-impact-of-hillary-clinton-email-controversy-on-possible-campaign/

Yup she is innocent. She turned over 100% every single e-mail no mistake about it. her aides took care of it. She isn't at fault.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/3/2015 10:06:06 PM)

Yes...it's called covering for each other. Oh wait...that only happens on the conservative side of the aisle.

Nm.




KenDckey -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/4/2015 12:12:20 AM)

Oh I think it happens on both sides lol




KenDckey -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/4/2015 12:41:24 AM)

AP has more

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEM_2016_CLINTON_EMAILS_HOMEBREW_SERVER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT





bounty44 -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/4/2015 3:44:04 AM)

here's an appropriately insightful blurb from breitbart about democrats and the media:

"They have a vast arsenal of inducements and distractions available to dilute that wrath, with the complicity of a friendly media that routinely decides the most outrageous Democrat abuses are less newsworthy than, say, a Republican former governor saying something about President Obama that his press corps takes umbrage at. It will be up to us to remember this lesson about what Hillary Clinton really thinks of responsibility and honesty. If the Democrats run her as their 2016 candidate, it means they’re cool with this. None of the rest of us should be."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/03/house-benghazi-committee-busts-hillary-clinton-for-using-personal-email-to-evade-transparency-requirements/


and this is from a abc news story:

"Kerry is the first secretary of state to rely primarily on a state.gov email account." ----am finding that hard to believe...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hillary-clintons-personal-email-violated-federal-requirements-report/story?id=29344364

and oh ken----your link makes everything look even a little bit worse doesn't it?




tweakabelle -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/4/2015 5:09:42 AM)

Gee you guys sound like a lot of sore sorry losers. The impression I gained from most of the above posts is the Hilary is guilty of .... er ... um ... something but it's not going to make any difference because she's a Clinton and therefore above the law. As if .....

I seem to remember the Right spending an awful lot of time and money chasing the Clintons while BIll was President and failing to find anything improper. I see the Right currently trying to do the same to Obama- birth certs, law degrees Benghazi etc etc and still failing to find anything substantial.

I see the GOP in Congress shutting the government down and losing face and voters. I see them trying the same failing tactics with DHS funding.

The obsessions are pursued while the real business of running the country is ignored. The voters are uninterested and alienated while the GOP chases pink elephants. Does anyone think the electorate (outside of a narrow dwindling GOP base) is impressed? Do you think any one else cares?

When are you guys ever going to learn? The same failures being repeated will result in the same outcomes - kiss the White House good bye in 2016. Better still if you are unprepared to change kiss it good bye now and save everyone the time, bother and expense.




KenDckey -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/4/2015 5:46:47 AM)

Don't know if it makes it seems worse or not Bounty. Just post em as I see em. The debate and hopefully becoming informed is what is important.




hot4bondage -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/4/2015 6:08:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Gee you guys sound like a lot of sore sorry losers. The impression I gained from most of the above posts is the Hilary is guilty of .... er ... um ... something but it's not going to make any difference because she's a Clinton and therefore above the law. As if .....

I seem to remember the Right spending an awful lot of time and money chasing the Clintons while BIll was President and failing to find anything improper. I see the Right currently trying to do the same to Obama- birth certs, law degrees Benghazi etc etc and still failing to find anything substantial.

I see the GOP in Congress shutting the government down and losing face and voters. I see them trying the same failing tactics with DHS funding.

The obsessions are pursued while the real business of running the country is ignored. The voters are uninterested and alienated while the GOP chases pink elephants. Does anyone think the electorate (outside of a narrow dwindling GOP base) is impressed? Do you think any one else cares?

When are you guys ever going to learn? The same failures being repeated will result in the same outcomes - kiss the White House good bye in 2016. Better still if you are unprepared to change kiss it good bye now and save everyone the time, bother and expense.


The media seems to hold Hillary to a lower standard. She and Brian Williams both falsely claimed to be under enemy fire in a war zone. It seemed to be a much bigger story when Williams did it despite the fact that she was on a presidential campaign trail and he was on the talk-show circuit.




Lucylastic -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/4/2015 6:30:05 AM)

An aide to the former secretary of state says her use of a private e-mail account did not violate the law.
Hillary Clinton’s office pushed back Tuesday afternoon on claims that she misused a private e-mail during her time as secretary of state, arguing that there was nothing nefarious at play.

In an extended statement provided to Bloomberg Politics, a Clinton aide detailed ways in which Clinton did not run afoul of archival laws or the practices of her predecessors. Clinton only used her e-mail account for non-classified information, the aide said, backing up an assertion that the State Department made earlier Tuesday.

Clinton, the aide said, held onto a BlackBerry that she had used before her arrival at the State Department and continued to use once she got there. That’s in line with Colin Powell’s use of a personal laptop and e-mail account that “allowed me direct access to anyone online,” as he wrote in his memoir. “I started shooting e-mails to my principal assistants, to individual ambassadors, and increasingly to my foreign-minister colleagues who like me were trying to bring their ministries into the 186,000-miles-per-second world.”

“We don’t care how many accounts you have as long as those on which you’re doing federal business are captured for the record.”

David Ferriero, National Archives and Records Administration
The aide also said that assertions from the New York Times and others that different records rules applied to Clinton than to her predecessors is wrong, since the National Archives and Records Administration did not issue guidance updating its rules until fall 2013, months after she left office. The same rules applied to Clinton as had applied to Powell.

While NARA’s preference is that officials not use an e-mail alias, Archivist of the United States David Ferriero said in sworn testimony in 2013 that “nothing in the law that prohibits them.”

“We don’t care how many accounts you have as long as those on which you’re doing federal business are captured for the record,” he also said.

Responding to a department request for documents from recent secretaries of state, Clinton’s team provided over 55,000 pages of e-mails, which the Clinton aide said included anything that pertained to her work there. Personal conversations such as e-mails with her daughter Chelsea about flower arrangements for her 2010 wedding were not included. But any correspondence with the 100 State Department officials with whom she regularly corresponded would have already been stored on the department’s servers and Clinton’s office made sure to replicate all of those e-mails. In all, 9 out of 10 e-mails that Clinton sent during her time at the State Department went to colleagues there.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-03/hillary-clinton-camp-pushes-back-on-email-story




Lucylastic -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/4/2015 6:32:32 AM)

Hillary Email ‘Scandal’? Not So Fast
A NYT report says Clinton may have violated federal regulations by using private email for government business. But those rules weren’t in place when she’s alleged to have broken them.
It looks bad for Hillary Clinton—again. This New York Times story alleging that she might have violated federal rules by using a personal email account instead of an official government one for her communications seems to raise all the old questions about Clintonian corner-cutting and is sure to make Democrats flail their arms and cry, “Oh God, this again?”

But let’s hold on a second. A close reading of the Times piece reveals one potential big hole in the case. I’m not saying the Times is wrong here. It’s still a foggy situation. I am, however, saying this: You have to know how to read these things, and if you do know how to read them, there’s a big question here that could—potentially—exonerate Clinton to some or maybe even a considerable extent.

The article says that there were “new” regulations that Clinton was supposed to abide by. It notes that one past secretary of state, Colin Powell, who served from 2001 to 2005, sometimes used his personal email account “before the new regulations went into effect.”

So, a key question would seem to be this: When did the new regulations go into effect? If 2007 or 2008, then Clinton would appear to be in direct violation of them, depending on what precisely they said. If later, it gets a little murkier.

Oddly, the Times article doesn’t say. It doesn’t pin the new regs down to a specific date or even year.

Now, I know enough about reporting to know how this works. If you’ve got an airtight case, then you lay it all out there. You include the date. Indeed you emphasize the date, you put it high up in your story. The fact that it’s not in there is a little fishy.

Well, this might be the explanation: The new regs apparently weren’t fully implemented by State until a year and half after Clinton left State. Here’s the timeline: Clinton left the State Department on February 1, 2013. Back in 2011, President Obama had signed a memorandum directing the update of federal records management. But the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) didn’t issue the relevant guidance, declaring that email records of senior government officials are permanent federal records, until August 2013. Then, in September 2013, NARA issued guidance on personal email use.

So if these new regulations went into effect after she left State, then what rule did she violate, exactly?
A senior State Department official emailed me to say that “in October 2014, a Department-wide notice was sent out which explained each employee’s responsibilities for records management. Consistent with 2013 NARA guidance, it included instructions that generally employees should not use personal email for the transaction of government business, but that in the very limited circumstances when it is necessary, all records must be forwarded to a government account or otherwise preserved in the Department’s electronic records systems.”

So if these new regulations went into effect after she left State, then what rule did she violate, exactly? And, if this is true, why did the Times not share this rather crucial piece of information with its readers? No one could possibly argue that this fact isn’t germane to the story. It’s absolutely central to it. Why would the Times leave it out?


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/03/hillary-email-scandal-not-so-fast.html



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/03/hillary-email-scandal-not-so-fast.html




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