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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/25/2015 4:45:30 PM   
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I mean my guy and I are monogonmous and I'm on the pill we both tested clean and now...we don't use condoms.

If/when we become non monogonmous we would go back to using condoms.

So I largely agree with you.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/25/2015 5:18:13 PM   
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No. If you read my question, it was asking that if a person only had sex with people who have not been exposed to an STD, then will the chances of getting an STD be 0% [excluding bizarre happenstances like getting in a fight with someone at a bar who has HIV, blood is spilled.. ..]. And based on what everyone has said, the answer would be there is a 0% chance of getting an STD if you only have sex with people who do not have an STD [which includes any sort of lice or herpes]. So if that's the case, what's the point in using condoms to protect against something neither person has [yes, they can prevent pregnancy but that is a different subject]



The point of using condoms especially in high risk sex is to reduce that high RISK. Every single act of sex or sexual activity carries some degree of risk regarding STDs though some activities the risk is very minimal and some are considered high to extreme risk. Condoms are not 100% fool proof to prevent any and all STDs, yet if you want to be 100% safe then choose a life with 100% no sexual contact with another person.

Hep B virus is a very hardly virus and can live outside the body under less than ideal environmental conditions for 72 hrs +

HPV virus can lay dormant in a host body for years before it may decide to flare up and the infected person starts exhibiting physical symptoms of HPV. And guess what.....a female who has HPV does not always have lesions that are visible on the exterior of her genitals, most often they are internal lesions.

Do some research and learn about the 20 most common STDs including HIV, learn the entomology of the viruses, learn their life cycle, modes of infection, survivability outside a host etc. As only then will you have a more complete knowledge to make better and safer choices for yourself and any potential sexual partner. Think of it this way: if you aren't making safe choices about your sexual health, how can you expect a sexual partner to trust you?

Just so ya know, my secondary partners both have HPV and I was made aware of this prior to me getting involved 18 months ago. All our sexual activities ALWAYS entails condoms being used and there is no compromise on this from any of us. I had full blood work done 3 months ago as part of my annual physical and at my request, that included checking for STDs. The results came back all negative: I do this to stay constantly aware of my own health status as that is MY personal responsibility and thus my partners are at ease that I am safe.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/25/2015 5:58:59 PM   
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Bear is so wise <3

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/25/2015 6:23:39 PM   
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LOL

nah....just the result of my volunteer work in HIV and STD education. Large part of that was online education in gay male chat rooms answering questions regarding safe sex practices, prevention etc. It does hit home as I am still considered part of the *high* risk group being a gay male though STDs, STIs and HIV doesn't recognize race, color, sexual orientation nor gender.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/25/2015 6:37:18 PM   
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Yes, that is unfortunate.

Big strides have been made lately though and I'm hoping within my lifetime we will see a cure for HIV. Or at least one of the strains...

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/25/2015 7:42:44 PM   
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Same here. I do recall a few months ago seeing an article regarding a potential cure yet nothing substantiated at this point.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/25/2015 7:45:26 PM   
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They cured it in mice or something but it sounds like it has a long way to go. Prep is amazing to me. I imagine that it gives hope to so many once diagnosed, so I have faith we will get there

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/26/2015 2:34:48 PM   
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PReP is a wonderful thing, reducing the risks of exposure to HIV. But there's no magic pill to make you truly invincible.

If there's even a shadow of doubt, until Clorox makes lube, use condoms.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/26/2015 3:08:16 PM   
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From what I have read regarding PReP, it even lessens the risk even further compared to simply using condoms and engaging in safe sex practices. I do fully agree it is NOT an end all be all cure as the risk is still there though it is miniscule.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/26/2015 3:46:24 PM   
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Actually lysol was originally a douching product... that aside there isn't a magical pill but there is a cure.... it'sjust almost as likely to kill you so you don't try for it on a whim, and you need to find a donor unless you are one of the lucky immune ones.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/26/2015 4:57:38 PM   
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Exactly. PReP is best effective as part of a safer-sex routine.

The most important part of that is regular testing.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/26/2015 5:57:20 PM   
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Genetic testing of all sorts can be done.

I was kind of a slut before I hit 30. Ok, 35. After a really close call, I wondered just how the hell I kept dodging the bullet, and had a genetic work-up done.

Not to try selling anything, but there is a great deal of info available at http://www.delta-32.com

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/26/2015 7:48:26 PM   
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I think many from both our generations dodged the bullet many times and never realized it until after the fact. I figure the Gods must have been looking out for us! I know for many years, I had too much trust without verification. Now being older and a hell of a lot wiser, I have the knowledge to make better choices for myself.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/26/2015 8:13:03 PM   
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See, I just have that whole genetically-superior mutant thing going on.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 3/26/2015 8:39:20 PM   
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quote:

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Genetic testing of all sorts can be done.

I was kind of a slut before I hit 30. Ok, 35. After a really close call, I wondered just how the hell I kept dodging the bullet, and had a genetic work-up done.

Not to try selling anything, but there is a great deal of info available at http://www.delta-32.com

Yeah I found out about that when I was writing a paper on commercial based genetic sequencing(like 23andme) I already have the lucky o- blood so I doubt I should push my luck and go for that... plus I have horrible luck. The 4th person I ever had sex with gave me syphilis so I don't go near people without a spit swab when I have a choice. By the time it gets to that point I've already known the person a long time though and I doubt knowing would effect my decision to be with someone(unless they had outright lied and tried to hide it)

As for how you dodged the bullet it partially is due to a gender based bias, many things are easier for women to get because there is more membrane for the virus/bacteria to enter through, a man needs a cut or sore(unless it's anal) for example it is estimated 1 out of 3 women has genital herpes but only 1 out of 6 men.... this is becausethe transfer rates for men are lower and like with hiv if on antivirals to prevent it the risk drops to next to nothing.

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 4/19/2015 10:55:59 PM   
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Anti Viral sprays... they are NOT spray on, wipe off.
Read the fine print; most specify saturating the surface and letting it stand wet for ten minutes to be effective for viral contaminants.

Most of the grocery store antibacterial soaps actually don't contain enough antibacterial agents to be effective.

Plain soap and water are 70% more effective than hand sanitizer alone. If you want to use hand sanitizer after washing hands; go for it. That stuff was designed for EMTs in the field to sterilize exam gloves in a safer manner than just dousing them with rubbing alcohol (fire hazard). BTW, hand sanitizer makes wonderful fire starter. Basically it is K-Y and rubbing alcohol mixed so you have a gel instead of a liquid.





















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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 4/19/2015 11:24:29 PM   
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?there are antiviral sprays? I thought they were all purpose disinfectants... which generally work in the amount of time it takes to dry 30 seconds to 3 minutes(http://www.lysol.com/products/disinfectant-sprays/lysol-disinfectant-sprays/) on hard surfaces. Of course most die in a day or two anyways(except a couple viruses with exceptionally long shelf lives)

I don't use antibacterial anything, trying to do my small part for preventing the evolution of more new strains of antibacterial resistant viruses. Other than my shot of penicillin a decade ago and an old roommate who used to lysol everything(the reason I found out about the weird lysol fact in an above message)

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RE: Sexually Transmitted Diseases - 4/20/2015 8:50:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

No. If you read my question, it was asking that if a person only had sex with people who have not been exposed to an STD, then will the chances of getting an STD be 0% [excluding bizarre happenstances like getting in a fight with someone at a bar who has HIV, blood is spilled.. ..]. And based on what everyone has said, the answer would be there is a 0% chance of getting an STD if you only have sex with people who do not have an STD [which includes any sort of lice or herpes].


Correct... technically


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So if that's the case, what's the point in using condoms to protect against something neither person has [yes, they can prevent pregnancy but that is a different subject]


Many people in committed relationships don't use them.

But... "bizarre happenstances" do happen, 100% certainty that you have been isolated from exposure is unachievable, AND people sometimes lie. Committed relationships sometimes fail due to infidelity, as - presumably - would their immunity by isolation.

That is why some people still take precautions.

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