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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 5:58:26 AM   
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If everything in the world was black and white I could possible see this working, but it isn't.

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 6:36:05 AM   
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If everything in the world was black and white I could possible see this working, but it isn't.


Exactly the problem with "zero tolerance" policies that equate a knifing in the school gym and poking a fellow student in the ribs with a comb during home room.

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 8:06:50 AM   
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We've all, I am sure, seen the posts on zero tollerance policies in our schools

The kid that was eating a sandwich and some other kid screamed it looked like a gun and off he goes into educational hell.

How about the kid in Warren County TN that was suspended for having a military hair cut to honor his brother at a school named afer a medal of honor reciepient and whose school gym is named after a soldier killed in afganistan?

Or the kids that were sent home for wearing the American Flag imprinted on their shirt on an American school on a Mexican Holiday?

Or the girl that showed her knees

To me this all distracts from the educational process.


When I'm feeling thoroughly pissed off with life, I usually run into a bank with a sandwich and demand money. Perhaps my reputation has spread far and wide. A sandwich holds far more of a threat than a gun. A gun? the response you'll get is: "he's a got a gun again the boring fucker". A sandwich: "FUCK ME HE'S GOT A SANDWICH, AND ITS GOT HAM IN IT".

It's mere human nature. That's why the Earl of Sandwich invented it. Like most earls he didn't have your best interests at heart when he came up with this idea.

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 8:09:15 AM   
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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 8:32:40 AM   
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Gent I like the Earl of Sandwich Love his inventions. :D

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 10:53:47 AM   
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Sometimes there is much more going on below the surface than people realize.

That in school, there is a pecking order. And its determined in any number of ways. That physical abuse causes as much damage as mental and/or emotional damage. The same is true for the reverse. Boys tend to favor physical displays while girls subtle (sometimes the opposite for both). That when we hear this stuff, there is also an abundant amount of information that we are not told. This is to protect the student's privacy (be they the protagonist or the antagonist).

While we heard that little Johnny got suspended for drawing a gun (in elementary school for example). What we are not told is that little johnny knows little Aaron is Jewish and the picture was of a nazi (little johnny) shooting at someone hanging from a rope (little Aaron) with names. At that age, does little Johnny fully understand what he did? In most cases no. The offender and victim usually get different sorts of help in private.

The punishment's effect should be the first clue of the severity of the issue to the public.


Yes, we must implement draconian no tolerance penalties for even minor peccadilloes because we can imagine things might have more sinister motivations.


I'm simply stating that most people never have the full facts. And informed society can make good decisions. An ignorant one can be controlled by tyrants!

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 11:03:43 AM   
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The punishment's effect should be the first clue of the severity of the issue to the public.

Well, no. Actually, the first clue to the severity of the issue in the public's mind is the outrage that ensues when it becomes widely known and the subsequent frantic back-peddling by the school.


Again, an ignorant people taking things out of context. The school can not release the truth unless ordered by a judge in a court. I know it sounds wild, but schools have to follow a pile of laws. Likewise, they have learned to watch and take notes on each child. Not just how they perform on studies, or what manner they study best by. But whom they associate with, which activities they are involved in, their religious viewpoints (if any), and a whole other set of criteria.

Some kids are placed in different class rooms at different times, because they dont get along with others. We understand much more about bullies than when I was in grade school! Also, some students just seem to learn better when among their friends.


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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 1:38:43 PM   
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Gent I like the Earl of Sandwich Love his inventions. :D


I didn't know he'd invented much, Ken, so just looked it up and apparently Hawaii was originally named The Sandwich Isles in tribute to the Earl!

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 3:34:18 PM   
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Last I heard was that he was a gambler that didn't take the time to eat so he had them slap some meat on bread. It sorta took hold from there.

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 4:00:22 PM   
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His nickname was 'Jemmy Twitcher' because of a nervous twitch he had and he was a founder member of the Hellfire Club with Sir Francis Dashwood, Lord Bubb-Doddington (there's a name to conjure with !!!) and others of that ilk among the 18th Century rakehells.

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 7:09:07 PM   
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We've all, I am sure, seen the posts on zero tollerance policies in our schools

The kid that was eating a sandwich and some other kid screamed it looked like a gun and off he goes into educational hell.

How about the kid in Warren County TN that was suspended for having a military hair cut to honor his brother at a school named afer a medal of honor reciepient and whose school gym is named after a soldier killed in afganistan?

Or the kids that were sent home for wearing the American Flag imprinted on their shirt on an American school on a Mexican Holiday?

Or the girl that showed her knees

To me this all distracts from the educational process.


Ken....let's be honest here.....I've killed people for sandwiches which were CLEARLY guns. It doesn't have to LOOK like a gun. Peanut butter kills people. Accept it. It's not people WITH peanut butter....it's the damned peanut butter that kills.

Wanna wait for it?

All good with me man....be a pacifist, but know....peanut butter kills people.

(Not people WITH peanut butter).

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/28/2015 10:40:15 PM   
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We've all, I am sure, seen the posts on zero tollerance policies in our schools

The kid that was eating a sandwich and some other kid screamed it looked like a gun and off he goes into educational hell.

How about the kid in Warren County TN that was suspended for having a military hair cut to honor his brother at a school named afer a medal of honor reciepient and whose school gym is named after a soldier killed in afganistan?

Or the kids that were sent home for wearing the American Flag imprinted on their shirt on an American school on a Mexican Holiday?

Or the girl that showed her knees

To me this all distracts from the educational process.


Ken....let's be honest here.....I've killed people for sandwiches which were CLEARLY guns. It doesn't have to LOOK like a gun. Peanut butter kills people. Accept it. It's not people WITH peanut butter....it's the damned peanut butter that kills.

Wanna wait for it?

All good with me man....be a pacifist, but know....peanut butter kills people.

(Not people WITH peanut butter).

So does dihydrogen oxide. We should punish kids for that too?

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/29/2015 5:16:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
We've all, I am sure, seen the posts on zero tollerance policies in our schools
The kid that was eating a sandwich and some other kid screamed it looked like a gun and off he goes into educational hell.
How about the kid in Warren County TN that was suspended for having a military hair cut to honor his brother at a school named afer a medal of honor reciepient and whose school gym is named after a soldier killed in afganistan?
Or the kids that were sent home for wearing the American Flag imprinted on their shirt on an American school on a Mexican Holiday?
Or the girl that showed her knees
To me this all distracts from the educational process.

Ken....let's be honest here.....I've killed people for sandwiches which were CLEARLY guns. It doesn't have to LOOK like a gun. Peanut butter kills people. Accept it. It's not people WITH peanut butter....it's the damned peanut butter that kills.
Wanna wait for it?
All good with me man....be a pacifist, but know....peanut butter kills people.
(Not people WITH peanut butter).


Would that make crunchy peanut butter sandwiches, assault sandwiches? Or, the incredibly nefarious EXTRA Crunchy peanut butter make FULL AUTO assault sandwiches?


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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/29/2015 5:43:46 AM   
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Would that make crunchy peanut butter sandwiches, assault sandwiches? Or, the incredibly nefarious EXTRA Crunchy peanut butter make FULL AUTO assault sandwiches?

I still want to know how it kills by itself. Can you be attacked by peanut butter? What is a safe distance?

K.


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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/29/2015 6:45:50 AM   
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Assault sandwiches I've seen....
Tabasco marinated pastrami with habanero jelly and wasabi on toasted jalapeno cornbread. (revenge on the anonymous lunch thief)
Pickled egg, raw onion, and sardines on pumpernickel (gas warfare was outlawed, wasn't it?)
Lutefisk on sourdough (don't go there, just don't... break out the mental floss)
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Parents do get the whole story without a judge having to release anything when some idiot calls the police on little Johnny because he drew a picture of a gun on the inside cover of his notebook and made "pow, pow" noises at the kid in the next desk. Incipient 5th grade terrorist there.



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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/29/2015 7:24:03 AM   
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Can't wait to hear your thoughts on these, joether:

The Craziest Zero Tolerance Stories of 2014

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This was the year a second grade teacher learned never to bring carpentry tools to school, even as a high school student in a bathing suit was forced to stand outside in the Minnesota winter. And then there’s the kid who was crazy enough to share his lunch.

1. Student, 13, shares lunch, gets detention


A 13-year-old boy at Weaverville Elementary School in California shared his school lunch (a chicken burrito) with a hungry friend. For this, he got detention. Superintendent Tom Barnett explained, “Because of safety and liability we cannot allow students to actually exchange meals.”

2. Sunscreen not allowed on field trip—kids might drink it

A San Antonio, Texas, school forbid students to bring sunscreen on a field trip. Why? According to spokeswoman Aubrey Chancellor, “We can’t allow toxic things to be in our schools.” The children, “could possibly have an allergic reaction (or) they could ingest it. It’s really a dangerous situation.”

3. Kindergarten cancels its year-end show to allow more time for college prep

A letter home from the Harley Avenue Primary School in Elwood, New York, read, in part: “The reason for eliminating the Kindergarten show is simple. We are responsible for preparing children for college and career with valuable lifelong skills and know that we can best do that by having them become strong readers, writers, coworkers and problem solvers.”

4. Teacher suspended on weapons charge for demonstrating carpentry tools

A second grade teacher at Chicago’s Washington Irving Elementary School was suspended for four days without pay for bringing screwdrivers, wrenches and other shop tools to class, and demonstrating how to use them. These are dangerous items.

5. School bus driver loses job for keeping kids warm when bus breaks down

This one’s in Canada! On a day when the windchill dipped to -34 Fahrenehit, school bus driver Kendra Lindon’s bus broke down. Knowing it could take a long time for a replacement to arrive—and that kids would be waiting outside till it did—she picked up the few children on her route (including her son) in her SUV. A neighbor noticed two kids sitting in the cargo hold without seat belts and called the bus company. She was promptly fired.

6. 79-year-old substitute teacher fired for having student-friends on Facebook

Carol Thebarge was a substitute teacher at Stevens High School in Claremont, New Hampshire, for nine years and was friends with about 250 current students on Facebook. She was told to unfriend them or lose her job. She chose to lose her job. Superintendent Middleton McGoodwin told the press, “She’s loved by many, but that doesn’t give you allowance to ignore a protocol designed to protect all.”

7. Student suspended for slicing apple with knife during health food demonstration

Da’von Shaw, a Bedford, Ohio, high school student, brought apples and craisins to school for a “healthy eating” presentation. When he took out a knife to slice an apple, his teacher told him he was not allowed to use it. He immediately handed it over to her. Case closed? Nope. Later that day he was suspended for a week because he brought a weapon to school.

8.  School goes on lockdown when mom fails to sign-in

The mother of a special needs child in Walnut Grove, Missouri, raced to school when she got a “frantic” call from her kid’steacher. After she was buzzed into the building, she ran straight to his room, thereby committing the cardinal sin of not signing in. The school went into lockdown. Cops arrived and took the mom to the police station, where she was charged with trespassing.

9. Girl in wet bathing suit forced to stand outside… in February… in Minnesota… due to school policy

After the fire alarm went off in Como Park High School in St. Paul, Minnesota, everyone evacuated, including Kayona Hagen-Tietza, 14, who had been swimming in the gym pool and didn’t have time to change. School policy forbids teachers from having students in the car, so she stood outside, barefoot, for 10 minutes in 5-degree weather until a teacher obtained “permission” to let her sit in her car just this once.

10. Student suspended for twirling pencil, subjected to five-hour evaluation

Ean Chaplithn, 13, was twirling his pencil, which made the child sitting behind him feel “threatened or uncomfortable.” That’s all it took for the Vernon, New Jersey, school to send Chaplin for a 5-hour physical and psych evaluation. His urine was tested and blood drawn. “We never know what’s percolating in the mind of children, okay?” the superintendent, Charles Maranzano, said. “When they demonstrate behaviors that raise red flags, we must do our duty.”

And a very Happy New Year to everyone who goes to school, works at a school, or is suspended from school for a sandwich swap, monkey wrench, or pencil twirl!

This piece originally appeared on Reason.com.Â

http://www.freerangekids.com/the-craziest-zero-tolerance-stories-of-2014/

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/29/2015 10:05:21 AM   
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Circumstances naver seem to matter do they?

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/29/2015 10:52:17 AM   
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Get a started on ant vaxxers and the issues they cause.
of course allergies, especiall foodstuff and creams are deadly to some kids, people usually parents are the ones who are suing schools if the dont wrap their kids up in bubble wrap enough
of course you completely ignore bullying, fighting stabbings, suicides and guns.

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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/29/2015 11:41:32 AM   
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Would that make crunchy peanut butter sandwiches, assault sandwiches? Or, the incredibly nefarious EXTRA Crunchy peanut butter make FULL AUTO assault sandwiches?

I still want to know how it kills by itself. Can you be attacked by peanut butter? What is a safe distance?
K.


There is no safe distance, Kirata.

I read it on the interwebs that it kills by itself, here, so it's gotta be true.


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RE: Zero Tollerance in School - 3/29/2015 12:21:15 PM   
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I still want to know how it kills by itself. Can you be attacked by peanut butter? What is a safe distance?

There is no safe distance, Kirata.

I read it on the interwebs that it kills by itself, here, so it's gotta be true.

Well that sucks. Can it get the lid off its jar by itself? Should I use some duct tape as a "safety"?

K.


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