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CreativeDominant -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/20/2015 10:41:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I never claimed the Democratic party didn't have it's faults....so I'm not going to waste my time with your links.


I will concede Democratic politicians know how to scratch their corporate sponsors backs....what they don't do ,as a platform,is demonize immigrants and the poor while doing so.

In addition please sont try and direct me to breibart,my computer has an aversion to bullshit

That plank on demonization of immigrants...would that be the one that says, in part, this?

The greatest asset of the American economy is the American worker. Just as immigrant labor helped build our country in the past, today’s legal immigrants are making vital contributions in every aspect of our national life. Their industry and commitment to American values strengthens our economy, enriches our culture, and enables us to better understand and more effectively compete with the rest of the world...

and this?

We recognize that for most of those seeking entry into this country, the lack of respect for the rule of law in their homelands has meant economic exploitation and political oppression by corrupt elites. In this country, the rule of law guarantees equal treatment to every individual, including more than one million immigrants to whom we grant permanent residence every year...

And this:

We are grateful to the thousands of new immigrants, many of them not yet citizens, who are serving in the Armed Forces. Their patriotism should encourage us all to embrace the newcomers legally among us, assist their journey to full citizenship, and help their communities avoid isolation from the mainstream of society...

https://www.gop.com/platform/reforming-government/

Yeah...I'm seeing real hatred in there.




JVoV -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/20/2015 11:14:09 PM)

Since that's the official platform, we should be seeing an immigration reform bill in the Republican-controlled Congress, right?




DaddySatyr -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 12:02:23 AM)


That's not how it works. They'll wait until a republican president is elected so that he can start out with that feather in his cap (especially if it's Cruz, Rubio or Bush who have all mentioned immigration as a core issue). That will leave immigration as a campaign issue with which to beat the snot out of the anti-Christ.



Michael




JVoV -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 12:38:33 AM)

And that will make the Republicans' inactions a campaign issue. Cruz & Rubio both have the opportunity to introduce bills now. So they'll risk being ineffective Congressmen for the hope of having some tricks left up their sleeves.

It's not like our current President isn't open to immigration reform.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 1:30:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

And that will make the Republicans' inactions a campaign issue. Cruz & Rubio both have the opportunity to introduce bills now. So they'll risk being ineffective Congressmen for the hope of having some tricks left up their sleeves.

It's not like our current President isn't open to immigration reform.
End JVov quote


It's not like the current pretender-in-chief didn't get the democratic controlled house to back off of health care so he could have that as an issue. It's not like an august, first-term senator couldn't have introduced "his" plan in the senate (or gotten a friend to introduce in the house, more accurately). Right?

You can't seriously be this naive about how the sausages are made. Can you?



Michael




JVoV -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 1:49:32 AM)

It's not like Dubbya would have signed off on Obamacare though.

I'm not naive, just frustrated. If Congress does nothing for the remainder of Obama's final term, they make themselves look bad.

They've already delayed voting on the next Attorney General for an obnoxious amount of time.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 1:54:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

It's not like Dubbya would have signed off on Obamacare though.

I'm not naive, just frustrated. If Congress does nothing for the remainder of Obama's final term, they make themselves look bad.

They've already delayed voting on the next Attorney General for an obnoxious amount of time.

End JVoV quote


If you believe that "keeping issues alive" for presidential campaigns isn't par-for-the-course, you're worse than naive. You're willfully ignorant or blind.



Michael




DesideriScuri -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 3:26:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
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Bopping around the internet a little bit, I see that Maine's Supplemental Nutrition Program doesn't allow the purchase of vitamins. Which is more fucked up than not being allowed to buy something in a lingerie shop, in my opinion.

Is it stated as "vitamins," or "nutritional supplements?" The FDA doesn't require supplement manufacturers (including vitamin manufacturers) to gain FDA approval. If "supplements" is the term, that could also include all sorts of over-the-counter remedies for this than and the other thing that aren't really "nutritional."
I'm not defending the Maine restrictions, but offering a plausible explanation.

I just took a look. "Vitamins and medicines."
Link here.


Thanks for the link.

That does bring into play what is considered "vitamins or medicine" by the State. "Medicines" I can see as not being necessarily supportive of nutrition. "Vitamins" are supposed to be, but there may be that question of questionable benefit and necessity with regards to them.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 3:39:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
It's not like Dubbya would have signed off on Obamacare though.
I'm not naive, just frustrated. If Congress does nothing for the remainder of Obama's final term, they make themselves look bad.
They've already delayed voting on the next Attorney General for an obnoxious amount of time.


And, Obama is going to sign off on a GOP immigration bill?

I have always found it extremely annoying when either Party offers up a plan to do something that includes things that they can do right now. The GOP plan to reform X includes saving $$ by doing Y. The Democrat plan to reform X includes saving that very same $$ by also doing Y. Yet, neither Party does a damn thing except bicker over the shit they don't agree on, all the while, not doing the shit they actually do agree on. It's either their whole plan, or nothing.




Lucylastic -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 4:57:49 AM)






The GOP told him to do it himself (executive power )after they refused to...then they went on vacation, screeching like stuck pigs when he did just that, oh and threatened to sue him(what happened to that piece of shit?) , and now the courts have it...

this from last year
<snip>
White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Friday that Obama “is very focused on” immigration and that Republicans can do only one thing to stop him.

“They can allow that common-sense, bipartisan bill from the Senate to come to the floor of the House of Representatives,” he said. “And if the House passes that Senate bill, the president won’t take executive action. Maybe the republic will be saved. Maybe the ego of the House Republicans will not be bruised. Certainly, the United States of America would benefit significantly from them taking that step.”


Earnest was referring to a 2013 Senate bill passed with bipartisan support that would make sweeping changes to the nation’s immigration and border-security system. But Boehner and House Republicans rejected the measure.

Boehner did not rule out introducing immigration legislation if Obama decided not to act. “This immigration issue’s become a political football over the last 10 years or more. It’s just time to deal with it,” he told reporters this week.

On Friday, aides to Boehner played down published reports that the speaker had held secret talks on immigration with Obama since after the 2012 election.

“There was no negotiation; there was no substantive conversation,” said a senior GOP aide familiar with the exchanges. Instead of immigration-specific meetings, the subject came up several times during meetings or phone calls between the two on other matters, the aide said.


Even as Republicans remain divided on what to do about immigration, there appears to be unanimity among them that Obama should not get involved until legislation has been passed.

“Surely he has someone around him who can communicate to him how tone deaf it would be for him to act by executive order,” Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said in an interview Friday. “Surely he understands how divisive that is and how it really would start us off in exactly the wrong place.”

The chairman of the Republican National Committee also warned Obama on Friday against taking executive action. Speaking at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast with reporters, RNC head Reince Priebus said that if the president signs an “executive amnesty” order, he will be “throwing a barrel of kerosene on a fire.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-obama-will-act-on-immigration-despite-gop-warnings-to-hold-off/2014/11/07/5b93c332-66a1-11e4-9fdc-d43b053ecb4d_story.html




BamaD -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 8:40:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

And that will make the Republicans' inactions a campaign issue. Cruz & Rubio both have the opportunity to introduce bills now. So they'll risk being ineffective Congressmen for the hope of having some tricks left up their sleeves.

It's not like our current President isn't open to immigration reform.

Or just say y'all come.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 1:49:15 PM)

A GOP bill (remember the GOP won big in the 2014 election cycle, so what passed before may not have been what gets passed and sent to the President) would not likely be signed by the President.

That is simple politics as we know it here in the US (it may be that way everywhere, but I'm going to stick with the US).




slvemike4u -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 3:41:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Since that's the official platform, we should be seeing an immigration reform bill in the Republican-controlled Congress, right?

ROFLMAO,since when has the Republican Party tried to live up to it's own platform ?



That's why they will go for some cycles cut out of the White House,they just can't run a general after having pandered to their own base to win the nomination.




slvemike4u -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 3:44:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


That's not how it works. They'll wait until a republican president is elected so that he can start out with that feather in his cap (especially if it's Cruz, Rubio or Bush who have all mentioned immigration as a core issue). That will leave immigration as a campaign issue with which to beat the snot out of the anti-Christ.



Michael


In the meantime screw the fucking illegals ,right ?

Pander to your far right anti-illegal base and vilify the immigrant.




BamaD -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 4:16:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


That's not how it works. They'll wait until a republican president is elected so that he can start out with that feather in his cap (especially if it's Cruz, Rubio or Bush who have all mentioned immigration as a core issue). That will leave immigration as a campaign issue with which to beat the snot out of the anti-Christ.



Michael


In the meantime screw the fucking illegals ,right ?

Pander to your far right anti-illegal base and vilify the immigrant.

ILLEGALS




slvemike4u -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 5:15:50 PM)

You have a point to make ?




BamaD -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 8:28:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You have a point to make ?

They are illegal, and should be treated as such.




slvemike4u -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 8:45:18 PM)

Going to need a lot more jail cells.

The Constitution that you claim to love allows,no demands that certain rights be observed....so they all need due process .


That's going to grind the system you wish to starve,financially speaking ,to a grinding halt.

But I'm sure you will be willing to raise the taxes to support such a policy.


In addition you won't mind the higher prices at the vegetable stand and the super market ,not to mention sundry other services you might,or might not utilize.




BamaD -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/21/2015 9:15:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Going to need a lot more jail cells.

The Constitution that you claim to love allows,no demands that certain rights be observed....so they all need due process .


That's going to grind the system you wish to starve,financially speaking ,to a grinding halt.

But I'm sure you will be willing to raise the taxes to support such a policy.


In addition you won't mind the higher prices at the vegetable stand and the super market ,not to mention sundry other services you might,or might not utilize.

And once again since you think you can tell me what I think, I get to do the same for you.
Forget they are illegal, give them a shortcut ahead of the people who came in legally.
Learn Spanish because it isn't fair to make them learn English,
Abolish immigration laws.
Give them the right to vote NOW.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies (4/22/2015 3:05:56 AM)

The Chamber-of-Commerce Wing of the GOP is still willing to punt away America’s sovereignty to ensure the steady supply of cheap labor their corporate string-pullers demand.

Meanwhile, Democratic leaders blubber about racism while cynically scheming for a permanent demographic majority. They apparently don’t care how much damage they’re doing to the poor and working class of this country by insisting on the very policies that hurt the poor the most.

According to the non-partisan Public Policy Institute, California has the highest poverty rate in the nation. California also has the largest illegal population.

Coincidence?


In 2006 then-Senator Barack Obama understood how damaging illegal immigration is for the working people of this country.

“The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century,” Obama wrote in The Audacity of Hope. “If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole… it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net.”

Barack Obama was not the first Liberal to make this observation. Legendary Texas Democratic Congresswoman Barbara Jordan understood how millions of cheap laborers pouring across our southern border lowered the wages of all working men and women, especially African-Americans. Sxities icon Eugene McCarthy spent his final years warning about the negative impact of unfettered immigration. Perhaps the greatest irony remains that civil rights titan Caesar Chavez was a lifelong opponent of illegal immigration.

On August 4th, 1977, President Jimmy Carter issued a Presidential paper on immigration saying, among other things:

“In the last several years, millions of undocumented aliens have illegally immigrated to the United States. They have breached our nation’s immigration laws, displaced many American citizens from jobs, and placed an increased financial burden on many states and local governments.”

Carter went on to propose a series of reforms, focusing first on enforcement of our laws and establishing penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal labor.

The Democratic-held Congress did nothing.

In 1979, then Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates issued “Special Order 40”, an internal police directive, prohibiting LAPD officers from initiating a stop based on the suspicion a suspect may be in the country illegally. Special Order 40 is the granddaddy of sanctuary city policies that have been replicated in nearly every major city in America, encouraging millions to move north of the border.

The result has been catastrophic for the poor and working poor.

I learned the ugly side of illegal immigration from Black construction workers who, for whatever local anomaly, once dominated the drywall trade in Los Angeles. They complained their $18 dollar an hour jobs had fallen to $13 an hour before vanishing entirely as the industry was taken over by a largely illegal workforce.

Even with my B.A. in English I can understand the economics involved: lots of cheap labor cheapens labor. It’s supply and demand 101.

While local Democratic politicians exploited this new underclass to increase social service budgets and solidify power within their personal fiefdoms -- city councils, school boards and county boards of supervisors -- Corporate America lobbied for lax border security because they couldn’t outsource everything; hotel chambermaids have to be where the beds are. Same for driveway pavers and meat and poultry plant workers. It’s called “insourceing.”

What voters of both parties want is something so commonsensical you’d think even politicians would be able to grasp it -- first secure the border to stop the next 11 million from pouring in. Then deal with the host of significant residual issues starting with the Dream Act kids.

Unfortunately that’s not what President Obama has chosen to do.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/25/the-liberal-case-against-illegal-immigration.html




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