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We have had similar problems with the police here, especially when it comes to relations between the police and Aborigines and other minority groups.

The police have a dual role. On one hand they are required to enforce the law. OTOH they are supposed to be peace officers, they are also tasked with keeping the peace.

At this distance, it appears that there is an unresolved conflict of interest between these twin roles in some sections of the US police.

Distance and filtered through sources that put cops in the worst possible light.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

We have had similar problems with the police here, especially when it comes to relations between the police and Aborigines and other minority groups.

The police have a dual role. On one hand they are required to enforce the law. OTOH they are supposed to be peace officers, they are also tasked with keeping the peace.

At this distance, it appears that there is an unresolved conflict of interest between these twin roles in some sections of the US police.

Distance and filtered through sources that put cops in the worst possible light.

I really wish you didn't jump to conclusions like this. This is an issue that is covered regularly by the mainstream media here, and internationally.
Here's just one example of the way the issue is treated in the very middle-of-the-road broadsheet Sydney Morning Herald:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-police-shootings-public-outrage-grows-as-video-evidence-takes-centre-stage-20150414-1mke7n.html

If you are concerned about the way the US police are covered in the media, perhaps it might be an idea to do something to help prevent the ugly incidents that regularly feature brutality by sections of the US police, rather than the kneejerk defences that seek to exculpate the US police in just about every post I have seen from you on this issue.

And if you think it's just mindless anti-Americanism on my behalf, I refer you to the opening sentence of my post - "We have had similar problems with the police here ...."

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If you paid attention you would know that in most cases when all of the facts come out the truth is far more in favor of the police than in the original story. I often defend the police, and when the facts come out I am virtually always vindicated. There have been almost as many times that I have stated the police were wrong as when I said they were right. You and most of the left take "lets wait for all of the facts" as saying the police were right.
You on the other hand have never found an incident where the police were (in your Godlike opinion) right. You believe every accusation against them even after they are proven wrong.

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If you paid attention you would know that in most cases when all of the facts come out the truth is far more in favor of the police than in the original story. I often defend the police, and when the facts come out I am virtually always vindicated. There have been almost as many times that I have stated the police were wrong as when I said they were right. You and most of the left take "lets wait for all of the facts" as saying the police were right.
You on the other hand have never found an incident where the police were (in your Godlike opinion) right. You believe every accusation against them even after they are proven wrong.

Have you considered pretending you are an adult? While posts will never merit anything beyond the infantile label, with some good acting, some self belief, lots of chutzpah and (I know this is a big ask, but please bear with me) some occasionally intelligent content (feel free to copy and paste) you might actually be able to successfully masquerade as a thinking adult every now and then. Just think about that wonderful feeling of achievement you will experience!

I wish you the best of luck with this exciting project. Break a leg, as they say in show business!

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I think blacks need to give the same respect they are always demanding. In almost every one of these incidents over the last year the blacks involved were disrespectful and refused to cooperate and forced police officers to respond with force. Then protest the outcomes.

In Ferguson...If the boy did not attack the officer and try to get his gun he would be alive today.

In New York... if the man had not resisted arrest he would be alive today.

In S Carolina if the man had not run and when caught struggle with the taser he would be alive today.

In the latest incident in Texas... if the teens had reacted with respect and followed instructions their would not have been the altercation.

I am not saying the responses of these officers were correct... they certainly were not... but in most every incident they had no choice but to respond with force.

There is a problem with violence and disrespect for the law in many black communities that is NOT the fault of the local police forces. The fault lies within and must be addressed their before blame is placed elsewhere.

Four more black men and women shot and killed in ST. Louis TODAY...now for this year 78 black men and woman killed by black men and women...how the hell is this anyone's fault but the black community itself... NOT the police department.

Butch

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If you paid attention you would know that in most cases when all of the facts come out the truth is far more in favor of the police than in the original story. I often defend the police, and when the facts come out I am virtually always vindicated. There have been almost as many times that I have stated the police were wrong as when I said they were right. You and most of the left take "lets wait for all of the facts" as saying the police were right.
You on the other hand have never found an incident where the police were (in your Godlike opinion) right. You believe every accusation against them even after they are proven wrong.

Have you considered pretending you are an adult? While posts will never merit anything beyond the infantile label, with some good acting, some self belief, lots of chutzpah and (I know this is a big ask, but please bear with me) some occasionally intelligent content (feel free to copy and paste) you might actually be able to successfully masquerade as a thinking adult every now and then. Just think about that wonderful feeling of achievement you will experience!

I wish you the best of luck with this exciting project. Break a leg, as they say in show business!

And as always when called on the carpet you fall back on your limitless arrogance and hide behind your baseless claims of wisdom beyond the scope of we mere mortals. You keep promising not to talk to me anymore (I know you didn't this time) but I guess your word is as meaningless as your posts.

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FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him.

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FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him.

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FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him.

No it did not and he will face chargers...even though he will never be convicted of murder... but like i said.. If he had not run... if he had not fought off the officer and try to take his taser... he would be alive today... HE FORCED the office to use force. You or i would not run... you or i would not fight an arrest... you and i would not try to take his taser.... BUT you and i would not shoot him in the back either... But this is not the point I am making.

Butch

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Which one was this?

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He did have grounds ... I have been stopped for stop or directional lights out... it is nothing unusual. The officer approached the car and spoke with respect to the driver. It all went down hill when he bolted from the car... and tragic events followed.

What was the officer to do?.... he had no choice then but to attempt to arrest him. He did have a choice when it came to deadly force and he will have to face the consequences of his actions.

Butch

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FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him.

but in the US a cop being charged does not mean he will be found guilty of murder.. the cop that shot at the car (in my previous post's links) fired 49 bullets into the car (talk about unreasonable), he was charged but found not guilty.. there were 2 dozen bullets in each of the 2 dead people.. 75 cops fired a total of 137 bullets into the car when it was parked in a parking lot.. someones bullets killed them.. The problem is that even if cops are charged with assault or murder, they are very rarely ever found guilty of anything.. and of course the cops know that nothing or very little will happen to them..

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ORIGINAL: tj444 there are so many of these incidents its hard to keep them all straight..

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him.

but in the US a cop being charged does not mean he will be found guilty of murder.. the cop that shot at the car (in my previous post's links) fired 49 bullets into the car (talk about unreasonable), he was charged but found not guilty.. there were 2 dozen bullets in each of the 2 dead people.. 75 cops fired a total of 137 bullets into the car when it was parked in a parking lot.. someones bullets killed them.. The problem is that even if cops are charged with assault or murder, they are very rarely ever found guilty of anything.. and of course the cops know that nothing or very little will happen to them..

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FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him.

No it did not and he will face chargers...even though he will never be convicted of murder... but like i said.. If he had not run... if he had not fought off the officer and try to take his taser... he would be alive today... HE FORCED the office to use force. You or i would not run... you or i would not fight an arrest... you and i would not try to take his taser.... BUT you and i would not shoot him in the back either... But this is not the point I am making.

Butch