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Kirata -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 3:48:16 PM)
There's a lot of truth in the comments at that WeazelZippers link. I've lived in three Northern states, and at least in my experience blacks and whites seem to get along better in the South. Uplifting post. Thanks. K.

BamaD -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 4:26:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata There's a lot of truth in the comments at that WeazelZippers link. I've lived in three Northern states, and at least in my experience blacks and whites seem to get along better in the South. Uplifting post. Thanks. K. Same here, I have had black people tell me the same. MLK also agreed. He said that the racism in the north was more deep rooted and insidious than in the south. He ascribe to (maybe even coined) the saying that in the south they hated the race but liked individuals, while in the north they loved the race but despised the individuals. This was because there was far more contact between the races in the south.

Politesub53 -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 4:33:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent It's not, though, really is it. It's a fairly rational argument that being armed with a gun may deter people with criminal intent. Nothing absurd about that; fairly logical in fact. Now, it doesn't apply to England. Different country, different way of thinking, small, crowded island etc. But, it could just be a decent argument for the United States. A big, unwieldy country where in some places there aren't many people around to help you or enforce the law, and so a gun could be your sole means of protection in the face of a lunatic wandering 'round. For some reason the United States is a country that seems to spawn people (more people per head) who want to go out and cause a lot of damage - more than other countries I can think of in what is generally deemed to be the developed world - so perhaps it's a good thing they have guns because take the guns away and the weapon of choice could be a bomb, which would be far more destructive. Either way, it's not really a good argument to say that the actions of a few lunatics means the sensible vast majority should do without guns. What is absurd about it is the notion people going to church would wish to arm themselves, just incase. That would make the whole "Faith in the Lord" bit somewhat redundant. I have often agreed with the argument having guns in the house, especially where there are no police on hand. Arming more people just means more shootings.

BamaD -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 4:37:02 PM)
FR In the killers journal he lamented the lack of like minded people. Maybe SC isn't over run with racists.

Sanity -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 5:20:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 What is absurd about it is the notion people going to church would wish to arm themselves, just incase. That would make the whole "Faith in the Lord" bit somewhat redundant. I have often agreed with the argument having guns in the house, especially where there are no police on hand. Arming more people just means more shootings. By your absurd logic, church goers should never have to swat a fly, scratch an itch, use the restroom, eat, or do anything else to care for themselves

BamaD -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 5:27:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 What is absurd about it is the notion people going to church would wish to arm themselves, just incase. That would make the whole "Faith in the Lord" bit somewhat redundant. I have often agreed with the argument having guns in the house, especially where there are no police on hand. Arming more people just means more shootings. By your absurd logic, church goers should never have to swat a fly, scratch an itch, use the restroom, eat, or do anything else to care for themselves Since he killed everyone except the person he wanted to spread fear, and the little girl whose grandmother told he to pretend she was dead arming more people wouldn't have led to more shooting, likely the other way around. Three blocks from my house is a church surrounded by crack houses, some of those members would have to be armed to protect the lives of everyone there.

kdsub -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 5:31:29 PM)
This is a terrible tragedy as we all know and there is outrage in both the white and black communities and deservedly so... But what disturbs me is the silence in the black community and lack of outrage when the tragedy is black on black. To me it is subtle racism of the worse kind. It is like saying" When a white man or policeman kills a black we are outraged and will protest and riot but when it is black killing blacks we will ignore it...anyway it is not our fault". In the last few days there were two incidents that should be an outrage... yet besides a paragraph on yahoo and a story on the nightly news there will be no outrage or demand for change. In one incident in Detroit there was a child's birthday party when gunmen with semi-automatic weapons shot 10 people killing at least one. In Philadelphia a children's block party was interrupted by gunmen with shotguns wounding 10... one a year and a half old child. Where is the damn outrage! Butch

Lucylastic -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 5:37:10 PM)
No gun threads kd....no outrage....

BamaD -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 5:45:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub This is a terrible tragedy as we all know and there is outrage in both the white and black communities and deservedly so... But what disturbs me is the silence in the black community and lack of outrage when the tragedy is black on black. To me it is subtle racism of the worse kind. It is like saying" When a white man or policeman kills a black we are outraged and will protest and riot but when it is black killing blacks we will ignore it...anyway it is not our fault". In the last few days there were two incidents that should be an outrage... yet besides a paragraph on yahoo and a story on the nightly news there will be no outrage or demand for change. In one incident in Detroit there was a child's birthday party when gunmen with semi-automatic weapons shot 10 people killing at least one. In Philadelphia a children's block party was interrupted by gunmen with shotguns wounding 10... one a year and a half old child. Where is the damn outrage! Butch Thank God they couldn't shoot.

kdsub -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 5:49:46 PM)
As the gun crowd will say, and to some extent rightly so, guns are just a tool of choice not the reason for killing. But it would have been harder to stab 20 and get away than the few seconds it took to shoot and run. But I was trying to leave guns out of it...at least in the point i was trying to make anyway. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 5:51:00 PM)
They shoot well enough to kill one anyway... but that is just half an afternoons work in St. Louis. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 6:07:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub As the gun crowd will say, and to some extent rightly so, guns are just a tool of choice not the reason for killing. But it would have been harder to stab 20 and get away than the few seconds it took to shoot and run. But I was trying to leave guns out of it...at least in the point i was trying to make anyway. Butch And it would have been easier to drop a Molotov cocktail among them but as you say it is about the soullessness of the attackers, not the tool they chose.

kdsub -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 6:16:45 PM)
Bama lets just forget the method of maiming for now...at least i am...I am pissed that some blacks have the audacity to blame white America for their problems because of racism while they murder their children without a peep of protest. I worry about the coming generation of many African American children growing up in a violent society without personal responsibility. And anyone who points this out and tries to find the reasons for this violence and lack of responsibility is called racist. Butch

LipstickLeuger -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 6:41:40 PM)
[QUOTE]Why would you think that you should have no input? I think you may have misunderstood what I was trying to convey. I do think that sometimes just blaming the whole 'other' group, is counter intuitive, and brings no understanding at all. Getting to know the 'other' group is important because not everyone in that 'other' group will be treating you the same way. For instance, what if I told you I am a Liberal Leftist and a hard core Radical Feminist? Would you say that you 'never guessed' because I discuss things rationally and you have respect for me? Or would you suddenly change how you view me and lose respect for me due to your stereotype of the whole group? Would you not believe that our discussions are true and that I was interested in what you had to say and in your feelings? The whole idea of someone can change based on how we view their assumed group. That was what I was trying to explain. All people should be valued and their beliefs and opinions and no one should be shamed into shutting up and not discussing their feelings rationally, without drama. That is very hard to find today and I think if we stopped with 'they said this and so we yelled over them' or vice versa, and just LISTENED without getting all angry, the world would be a happier place. I hope this explained it clearer, I sometimes hate the internet because it is hard to really get a feel for what the other person is saying, voice inflection and such. P.S. I bet you are wondering if it is true what I described myself as above....I'll never tell. LOL P.P.S. I do value your opinions as well.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I didn't say I shouldn't have input. I said they thought I shouldn't have input. I'm looked at as a white male by those feminists and a part of the rape culture. I'm perfectly fine with anyone being what they want to be. It's they, those "others" who stereo type me. Leftists say they are open minded, yet, you see so many post here showing they are closed minded it's laughable to us on the right that they actually believe that. You can be what ever you want and I take you as you present yourself to me. Continue to present yourself to me as you have and I'll continue to respect you, even if I don't agree with you. Discuss things politely with me and I'll continue to be polite to you. But, keep in mind, I still wonder why I have to explain this. Nobody on the left acts like that...with rare occasions. Why, I've told the story at greater length before and I won't bore people again now, but when a woman at work tried to get me fired, ruin my career, by charging me with a fake sexual harassment charge, so she could be promoted into my job, when she was found to be lying, they promoted her out to somewhere else and sent me to sexual harassment training where for two days I had to sit and be "taught" that it was my fault because I was a white male. (Sorry for the run on sentence). That's typical. I was actually talking back with the "instructer" for half a day or so until they sent my boss to tell me to not talk, just sit and listen, or loss my job. That sort of thing is common, not an exception. [/quote] That was getting way too long, so I shortened it. Yes, people seem to argue a lot here, but that is what the Dungeon is for, I guess. I frequent it because I like to debate and discuss, and am interested in talking to others with various points of view. I'm basically pretty mellow about others thoughts and ideas. I understand what you were saying in your post now. I was somewhat confused about you mentioning me being gay, but I see how you were drawing a parallel between us. I sadly must admit that often, males are ignored, and and this frustrates me as well. I am the mother of a young male and am pretty protective of him about this type of stuff. You can't go around blaming all males for what a few do or have done, and I have pissed off more than a few Rad Fems over my point of view on that. [:D] I can totally understand why you would be angry. You were treated very unfairly. It's women like the one you speak of that give all Feminist a bad name. We really are not like that, except for a few crack-a-lackies that really do hate men and those, thank God, are very few and far between. I am sorry you had to deal with that.

BamaD -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 6:59:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub They shoot well enough to kill one anyway... but that is just half an afternoons work in St. Louis. Butch That is true, and one is tragic. But firing a shotgun into a crowd with only one dead is relatively fortunate.

BamaD -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 7:02:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Bama lets just forget the method of maiming for now...at least i am...I am pissed that some blacks have the audacity to blame white America for their problems because of racism while they murder their children without a peep of protest. I worry about the coming generation of many African American children growing up in a violent society without personal responsibility. And anyone who points this out and tries to find the reasons for this violence and lack of responsibility is called racist. Butch I agree. As I said way back on post 169 we can not deal with race in this country until we are willing to make it about more than white racism. Of course there is white racism, only an idiot would deny that. But there is as much black racism but no one is supposed to talk about that. What you are pointing out is but one of the symptoms of this.

lovmuffin -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 7:10:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Arming more people just means more shootings. Maybe it means that if you're arming bank robbers, muggers, drug dealers and crazy people. If you're arming church goers, school workers (or armed security guards), office workers, small businesses and such (the only short term solution to this mass murder with guns crap), it would mean less shootings. Eliminate this gun free zone idiocy where idiots and crazies can easily ply their trade.

Owner59 -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 7:54:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata There's a lot of truth in the comments at that WeazelZippers link. I've lived in three Northern states, and at least in my experience blacks and whites seem to get along better in the South. Uplifting post. Thanks. K. Same here, I have had black people tell me the same. MLK also agreed. He said that the racism in the north was more deep rooted and insidious than in the south. He ascribe to (maybe even coined) the saying that in the south they hated the race but liked individuals, while in the north they loved the race but despised the individuals. This was because there was far more contact between the races in the south. I`m sure this gives comfort to bigots but normal folks aren't fooled or distracted by today`s bigots and damage they do.

BamaD -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 8:01:46 PM)
FR The NO police caught the cop killer (he still had part of the cuffs he had slipped out of on him) since they took him alive has the Rev Al declared this to be proof of black privilege yet?

HunterCA -> RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC (6/21/2015 8:14:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata There's a lot of truth in the comments at that WeazelZippers link. I've lived in three Northern states, and at least in my experience blacks and whites seem to get along better in the South. Uplifting post. Thanks. K. Same here, I have had black people tell me the same. MLK also agreed. He said that the racism in the north was more deep rooted and insidious than in the south. He ascribe to (maybe even coined) the saying that in the south they hated the race but liked individuals, while in the north they loved the race but despised the individuals. This was because there was far more contact between the races in the south. I`m sure this gives comfort to bigots but normal folks aren't fooled or distracted by today`s bigots and damage they do. I see that nobody is really very distracted by you. Tell me about the damage you're planning?

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