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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 5:32:08 PM   
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Well, there are a lot of Forts named after Confed Gens, Bragg, Bliss, Hood, Rucker, Pickett, Polk, Lee, Gordon, Benning........

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/24/politics/confederate-army-bases-names/

Polk...did A.I.T. there
Benning...did Jump Training there
Bragg...82nd Airborne all the way!

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 5:43:14 PM   
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What exactly... did he say Bama?

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We don’t have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,”

Even if you agree with him this has not place at a funeral.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 5:46:10 PM   
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Well, there are a lot of Forts named after Confed Gens, Bragg, Bliss, Hood, Rucker, Pickett, Polk, Lee, Gordon, Benning........

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/24/politics/confederate-army-bases-names/

Polk...did A.I.T. there
Benning...did Jump Training there
Bragg...82nd Airborne all the way!


And all of them performed admirably in the Union army first. Ft Bragg is named after Col Bragg, his rank in the U S Army.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 6/26/2015 5:57:38 PM >


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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 6:14:46 PM   
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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.


Yes, he should have said, "Assault rifles and armor piercing bullets" for everyone.



No, he should have talked about the pastor and not politics, the words you are putting in my mouth would be as bad as what he did. You may not realize this but there is a middle ground.




you seek the so-called middle ground because you want to soft pedal the issue...AGAIN .....until the next mass killing where you'll look for it again.

Seriously, the middle ground went away the millisecond the 1st bullet left that killers gun.... these people are dead largely because of the kind of "soft-pedaling" you keep wanting.

along with the thousands of people who die the same way who aren't getting the same press coverage.

the middle ground died with these victims .....deal with it.




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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 6:30:47 PM   
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Yes, he should have said, "Assault rifles and armor piercing bullets" for everyone.

He probably didn't want to look as stupid as you, given that the "assault rifles" targeted have never been assault rifles (barrel shrouds, flash suppressors, pistol grips, oh my!) and the "armor piercing" ammunition which was briefly but unsuccessfully targeted (5.56 M855 "green-tip") doesn't meet the ATF's own definition of an armor-piercing projectile.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 6:34:33 PM   
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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.


Yes, he should have said, "Assault rifles and armor piercing bullets" for everyone.



No, he should have talked about the pastor and not politics, the words you are putting in my mouth would be as bad as what he did. You may not realize this but there is a middle ground.




you seek the so-called middle ground because you want to soft pedal the issue...AGAIN .....until the next mass killing where you'll look for it again.

Seriously, the middle ground went away the millisecond the 1st bullet left that killers gun.... these people are dead largely because of the kind of "soft-pedaling" you keep wanting.

along with the thousands of people who die the same way who aren't getting the same press coverage.

the middle ground died with these victims .....deal with it.




The left said the same thing after OK city. You are wrong, deal with it.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 7:08:33 PM   
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We don’t have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,”


It is exactly the place... the very place those laid to rest would want him to say it... the damn truth. If he had not had the guts to say it i would have thought less of him... How is it political gain? He is not going anywhere in politics... he does not have to say it for his party... he is trying to make people understand we NEED new legislation to help stop easy access to killing weapons.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 7:19:42 PM   
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We don’t have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,”


It is exactly the place... the very place those laid to rest would want him to say it... the damn truth. If he had not had the guts to say it i would have thought less of him... How is it political gain? He is not going anywhere in politics... he does not have to say it for his party... he is trying to make people understand we NEED new legislation to help stop easy access to killing weapons.

Butch

Bull, he is using it for political gain to help him fundamentally change the country, remember his vow to do that?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 7:25:11 PM   
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We don’t have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,”


It is exactly the place... the very place those laid to rest would want him to say it... the damn truth. If he had not had the guts to say it i would have thought less of him... How is it political gain? He is not going anywhere in politics... he does not have to say it for his party... he is trying to make people understand we NEED new legislation to help stop easy access to killing weapons.

Butch
And legislation is just what's appropriate at a funeral.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 7:43:24 PM   
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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.


Yes, he should have said, "Assault rifles and armor piercing bullets" for everyone.



No, he should have talked about the pastor and not politics, the words you are putting in my mouth would be as bad as what he did. You may not realize this but there is a middle ground.




you seek the so-called middle ground because you want to soft pedal the issue...AGAIN .....until the next mass killing where you'll look for it again.

Seriously, the middle ground went away the millisecond the 1st bullet left that killers gun.... these people are dead largely because of the kind of "soft-pedaling" you keep wanting.

along with the thousands of people who die the same way who aren't getting the same press coverage.

the middle ground died with these victims .....deal with it.




The left said the same thing after OK city. You are wrong, deal with it.



you're really reaching for straws bamad

This isn't an indiscriminate bomb that killed all sorts of people, this man took a HAND GUN and very personally killed 9 people SOLELY because they were a different race than he is with the idea of starting a race war.

and your lame response speaks to you caring more about guns than you give a shit about the people that are killed by their use.

the only part I can see Myself agreeing with you is that once the trigger is pulled in ether case?

once the explosion happends, the most likely result is death.... and there really is no "middle ground" in that anywhere....dead IS dead.



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What would the internet be like if we couldn't say trump is a moron?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 8:11:21 PM   
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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.


Yes, he should have said, "Assault rifles and armor piercing bullets" for everyone.



No, he should have talked about the pastor and not politics, the words you are putting in my mouth would be as bad as what he did. You may not realize this but there is a middle ground.




you seek the so-called middle ground because you want to soft pedal the issue...AGAIN .....until the next mass killing where you'll look for it again.

Seriously, the middle ground went away the millisecond the 1st bullet left that killers gun.... these people are dead largely because of the kind of "soft-pedaling" you keep wanting.

along with the thousands of people who die the same way who aren't getting the same press coverage.

the middle ground died with these victims .....deal with it.




The left said the same thing after OK city. You are wrong, deal with it.



you're really reaching for straws bamad

This isn't an indiscriminate bomb that killed all sorts of people, this man took a HAND GUN and very personally killed 9 people SOLELY because they were a different race than he is with the idea of starting a race war.

and your lame response speaks to you caring more about guns than you give a shit about the people that are killed by their use.

the only part I can see Myself agreeing with you is that once the trigger is pulled in ether case?

once the explosion happends, the most likely result is death.... and there really is no "middle ground" in that anywhere....dead IS dead.



The problem here isn't guns.
A It is racism. But we can't do anything about that until we admit that the problem isn't just white people. But I don't see you even understanding the last half of that.
B Mental health. There is evidence that he was taking mode altering drugs and had shown, even though friends and family say statements like he was going to shoot up a college didn't tip them off. If his doctor was treating him he should have seen warning signs. If so it should have been in the background check system, too many states refuse to enter this information and should be required to.
C A total disrespect for both the law and people. People is clear from the fact that he murdered people. The law from various things, he's a drug dealer, which would keep from legally getting a gun. The fact that he and his father broke the law to get him a gun, this alone shoots down your position. He didn't care about gun laws. He didn't care about it being illegal to have a gun in the church. Most importantly he didn't care about committing murder.


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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/26/2015 11:06:23 PM   
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Short (2:57) clip from BBC interview with one of Dylann Root's friends....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QFEGny8_H0

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/27/2015 8:45:36 AM   
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We don’t have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,”


It is exactly the place... the very place those laid to rest would want him to say it... the damn truth. If he had not had the guts to say it i would have thought less of him... How is it political gain? He is not going anywhere in politics... he does not have to say it for his party... he is trying to make people understand we NEED new legislation to help stop easy access to killing weapons.

Butch

On top of the tackyness of it he admits that we don't have all the facts but doesn't let that stop him from coming to a conclusion.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/27/2015 8:53:36 AM   
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That you only took that one line out of the whole funeral says more about YOU than anything else.


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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/27/2015 10:08:54 AM   
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Bull, he is using it for political gain to help him fundamentally change the country, remember his vow to do that?


He sees it as a political problem that might therefore have a political solution. I agree, I have to say.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/27/2015 10:13:09 AM   
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Bull, he is using it for political gain to help him fundamentally change the country, remember his vow to do that?


He sees it as a political problem that might therefore have a political solution. I agree, I have to say.

Make up your mind first you say using a mans death for political gain and now you see it as ok.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/27/2015 10:31:39 AM   
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Make up your mind first you say using a mans death for political gain and now you see it as ok.


Sorry, Bama. I made a comment earlier, then you asked me a question that showed you'd not absorbed what I'd said. So I simply said 'No' because I'd given up.

Here it is again:
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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.


As a general thing the right wing will see a particular issue as 'common sense', 'ordinary' and 'normal'. Part of the left wing's purpose is to deconstruct* that supposed normality.

As a rule, it's useless for anyone of the Right to accuse anyone of the Left of 'politicising' something. For those of us on the left the thing concerned is already politicised - not despite of the fact, but exactly because of the fact, that it's been made to be seen as 'common sense, ordinary and normal'.

I'm saying this because righties all too often don't seem to grasp the first thing about where lefties are coming from, nor why they say what they do.

*Note to Hunter - that was an example of the correct usage of the word 'deconstruct'. :-)

You think using this mans death for political gain is ok because there is a political issue it can be tied to?


To underline the point: You would not be outraged - as I'm not outraged - if you saw a political problem that needs a political solution. Talking about 'political gain' in that way ... using phrases like 'political capital' makes no sense in that view - my view.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/27/2015 10:39:27 AM   
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Make up your mind first you say using a mans death for political gain and now you see it as ok.


Sorry, Bama. I made a comment earlier, then you asked me a question that showed you'd not absorbed what I'd said. So I simply said 'No' because I'd given up.

Here it is again:
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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.


As a general thing the right wing will see a particular issue as 'common sense', 'ordinary' and 'normal'. Part of the left wing's purpose is to deconstruct* that supposed normality.

As a rule, it's useless for anyone of the Right to accuse anyone of the Left of 'politicising' something. For those of us on the left the thing concerned is already politicised - not despite of the fact, but exactly because of the fact, that it's been made to be seen as 'common sense, ordinary and normal'.

I'm saying this because righties all too often don't seem to grasp the first thing about where lefties are coming from, nor why they say what they do.

*Note to Hunter - that was an example of the correct usage of the word 'deconstruct'. :-)

You think using this mans death for political gain is ok because there is a political issue it can be tied to?


To underline the point: You would not be outraged - as I'm not outraged - if you saw a political problem that needs a political solution. Talking about 'political gain' in that way ... using phrases like 'political capital' makes no sense in that view - my view.

You miss the point, going to a political answer for what you see as a political problem is within his rights. Subverting a funeral to his political goals is crass and tasteless.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/27/2015 11:02:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Make up your mind first you say using a mans death for political gain and now you see it as ok.


Sorry, Bama. I made a comment earlier, then you asked me a question that showed you'd not absorbed what I'd said. So I simply said 'No' because I'd given up.

Here it is again:
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.


As a general thing the right wing will see a particular issue as 'common sense', 'ordinary' and 'normal'. Part of the left wing's purpose is to deconstruct* that supposed normality.

As a rule, it's useless for anyone of the Right to accuse anyone of the Left of 'politicising' something. For those of us on the left the thing concerned is already politicised - not despite of the fact, but exactly because of the fact, that it's been made to be seen as 'common sense, ordinary and normal'.

I'm saying this because righties all too often don't seem to grasp the first thing about where lefties are coming from, nor why they say what they do.

*Note to Hunter - that was an example of the correct usage of the word 'deconstruct'. :-)

You think using this mans death for political gain is ok because there is a political issue it can be tied to?


To underline the point: You would not be outraged - as I'm not outraged - if you saw a political problem that needs a political solution. Talking about 'political gain' in that way ... using phrases like 'political capital' makes no sense in that view - my view.

Lets try this another way and maybe you can see the point.
About 2 weeks ago a woman was killed in NJ. She had a restraining order against her ex. She applied to get a handgun and the permission had been delayed over a month BEYOND THE TIME THE LAW REQUIRED when she was murdered. Wouldn't you have been appalled if her eulogy was used to promote forcing faster responses to applications and liberalization of ccw laws? Although I agree with both political positions I would still say that a funeral is the wrong place to promote them.
BTW the ex used a knife so gun control clearly worked.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/27/2015 11:08:26 AM   
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You miss the point, going to a political answer for what you see as a political problem is within his rights. Subverting a funeral to his political goals is crass and tasteless.


Me, I've come to find really it really grinding that there's a process in which people rage and fume about evil, shed tears and lament ... then, nothing is done. Everyone slips back into a comfortable state (as Obama put it) ... till the next atrocity. It's come to seem to me that this emotional outpouring is the only admirable thing to do, while actually moving to try to prevent such atrocities in the future - which, as far as I can see, pretty much must involve politics *of some sort* - has been turned into a low and nasty thing to do.

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