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About 2 weeks ago a woman was killed in NJ. She had a restraining order against her ex. She applied to get a handgun and the permission had been delayed over a month BEYOND THE TIME THE LAW REQUIRED when she was murdered. Wouldn't you have been appalled if her eulogy was used to promote forcing faster responses to applications and liberalization of ccw laws? Although I agree with both political positions I would still say that a funeral is the wrong place to promote them.

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About 2 weeks ago a woman was killed in NJ. She had a restraining order against her ex. She applied to get a handgun and the permission had been delayed over a month BEYOND THE TIME THE LAW REQUIRED when she was murdered. Wouldn't you have been appalled if her eulogy was used to promote forcing faster responses to applications and liberalization of ccw laws? Although I agree with both political positions I would still say that a funeral is the wrong place to promote them.

Well, maybe if I were the POTUS, I'd make political noises at a funeral, if I were invited to speak there, because, as the POTUS, I'd assume that politics is what I get paid to do.

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No class at all in your position.

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The fact that the dead pastor was a democratic senator and personal friend of obamas had nothing to do with him being there.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/06/26/transcript-obama-delivers-eulogy-for-charleston-pastor-the-rev-clementa-pinckney/

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The fact that the dead pastor was a democratic senator and personal friend of obamas had nothing to do with him being there.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/06/26/transcript-obama-delivers-eulogy-for-charleston-pastor-the-rev-clementa-pinckney/

... ? I didn't presume that it did.

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The fact that the dead pastor was a democratic senator and personal friend of obamas had nothing to do with him being there.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/06/26/transcript-obama-delivers-eulogy-for-charleston-pastor-the-rev-clementa-pinckney/

... ? I didn't presume that it did.

That would explain him being invited, but it does not grant free reign

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The fact that the dead pastor was a democratic senator and personal friend of obamas had nothing to do with him being there.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/06/26/transcript-obama-delivers-eulogy-for-charleston-pastor-the-rev-clementa-pinckney/

... ? I didn't presume that it did.

That would explain him being invited, but it does not grant free reign

I read that his speech had an audience of five thousand - so, hardly a small an intimate affair. But once again, I think you're missing the point: it's not about his having 'free reign' to 'indulge' himself. It's about him doing his job - what he's paid to do, what he's *there* to do.

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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.

Yes, he should have said, "Assault rifles and armor piercing bullets" for everyone.

No, he should have talked about the pastor and not politics, the words you are putting in my mouth would be as bad as what he did. You may not realize this but there is a middle ground.

you seek the so-called middle ground because you want to soft pedal the issue...AGAIN .....until the next mass killing where you'll look for it again.

Seriously, the middle ground went away the millisecond the 1st bullet left that killers gun.... these people are dead largely because of the kind of "soft-pedaling" you keep wanting.

along with the thousands of people who die the same way who aren't getting the same press coverage.

the middle ground died with these victims .....deal with it.

The left said the same thing after OK city. You are wrong, deal with it.

you're really reaching for straws bamad

This isn't an indiscriminate bomb that killed all sorts of people, this man took a HAND GUN and very personally killed 9 people SOLELY because they were a different race than he is with the idea of starting a race war.

and your lame response speaks to you caring more about guns than you give a shit about the people that are killed by their use.

the only part I can see Myself agreeing with you is that once the trigger is pulled in ether case?

once the explosion happends, the most likely result is death.... and there really is no "middle ground" in that anywhere....dead IS dead.

The problem here isn't guns.
A It is racism. But we can't do anything about that until we admit that the problem isn't just white people. But I don't see you even understanding the last half of that.
B Mental health. There is evidence that he was taking mode altering drugs and had shown, even though friends and family say statements like he was going to shoot up a college didn't tip them off. If his doctor was treating him he should have seen warning signs. If so it should have been in the background check system, too many states refuse to enter this information and should be required to.
C A total disrespect for both the law and people. People is clear from the fact that he murdered people. The law from various things, he's a drug dealer, which would keep from legally getting a gun. The fact that he and his father broke the law to get him a gun, this alone shoots down your position. He didn't care about gun laws. He didn't care about it being illegal to have a gun in the church. Most importantly he didn't care about committing murder.

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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.

Yes, he should have said, "Assault rifles and armor piercing bullets" for everyone.

No, he should have talked about the pastor and not politics, the words you are putting in my mouth would be as bad as what he did. You may not realize this but there is a middle ground.

you seek the so-called middle ground because you want to soft pedal the issue...AGAIN .....until the next mass killing where you'll look for it again.

Seriously, the middle ground went away the millisecond the 1st bullet left that killers gun.... these people are dead largely because of the kind of "soft-pedaling" you keep wanting.

along with the thousands of people who die the same way who aren't getting the same press coverage.

the middle ground died with these victims .....deal with it.

The left said the same thing after OK city. You are wrong, deal with it.

you're really reaching for straws bamad

This isn't an indiscriminate bomb that killed all sorts of people, this man took a HAND GUN and very personally killed 9 people SOLELY because they were a different race than he is with the idea of starting a race war.

and your lame response speaks to you caring more about guns than you give a shit about the people that are killed by their use.

the only part I can see Myself agreeing with you is that once the trigger is pulled in ether case?

once the explosion happends, the most likely result is death.... and there really is no "middle ground" in that anywhere....dead IS dead.

The problem here isn't guns.
A It is racism. But we can't do anything about that until we admit that the problem isn't just white people. But I don't see you even understanding the last half of that.
B Mental health. There is evidence that he was taking mode altering drugs and had shown, even though friends and family say statements like he was going to shoot up a college didn't tip them off. If his doctor was treating him he should have seen warning signs. If so it should have been in the background check system, too many states refuse to enter this information and should be required to.
C A total disrespect for both the law and people. People is clear from the fact that he murdered people. The law from various things, he's a drug dealer, which would keep from legally getting a gun. The fact that he and his father broke the law to get him a gun, this alone shoots down your position. He didn't care about gun laws. He didn't care about it being illegal to have a gun in the church. Most importantly he didn't care about committing murder.

A.....even though you took a peek at My profile, you are clueless about Me because if you actually did know anything, you'd never of said that....


So.......lets look at this with a bit of logic shall we?..... so lets see,

B,C - you basically are saying that laws governing the people using guns fails because if someone ignores/doesn't care about the law.....

well gosh shucky darn! How sad is that? Another day another gun death right?

So the next day more people go out and buy guns that get stolen and put on the "Black Market" where people like the killers dad buys them and use them on us.

But NO....... guns aren't the problem bamad says.

Everything else in the entire world is the problem but NEVER the cutesy-wootesy guns that doesn't have a "middle ground" once the cutesy-wootesy trigger gets pulled by the real problem.

people,..... well gosh shucky darn! How sad is that? Another day another gun death right?

A problem that can never be solved so the killing and the profits the gun makers and the funeral homes rake in have no "middle ground" ether.

They just keep getting bigger as the body count does.

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Your whole position here is insane and narcissistic. The parish loved Obama's speech and gave him a standing ovation. Clearly you are fully out of tune with what happened.

Mr. Obama thrilled the mostly African-American audience by preaching with revivalist cadences, and by closing his 40-minute address by singing, in solo, the opening refrain of “Amazing Grace.” The crowd came to its feet and joined in, leading the Rev. Norvel Goff, a presiding elder in the A.M.E. church, to later “thank the Reverend President.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/us/thousands-gather-for-funeral-of-clementa-pinckney-in-charleston.html?_r=0

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Today Obama turned the pastors eulogy into a political speech to push gun control.
Real class act.

Yes, he should have said, "Assault rifles and armor piercing bullets" for everyone.

No, he should have talked about the pastor and not politics, the words you are putting in my mouth would be as bad as what he did. You may not realize this but there is a middle ground.

you seek the so-called middle ground because you want to soft pedal the issue...AGAIN .....until the next mass killing where you'll look for it again.

Seriously, the middle ground went away the millisecond the 1st bullet left that killers gun.... these people are dead largely because of the kind of "soft-pedaling" you keep wanting.

along with the thousands of people who die the same way who aren't getting the same press coverage.

the middle ground died with these victims .....deal with it.

The left said the same thing after OK city. You are wrong, deal with it.

you're really reaching for straws bamad

This isn't an indiscriminate bomb that killed all sorts of people, this man took a HAND GUN and very personally killed 9 people SOLELY because they were a different race than he is with the idea of starting a race war.

and your lame response speaks to you caring more about guns than you give a shit about the people that are killed by their use.

the only part I can see Myself agreeing with you is that once the trigger is pulled in ether case?

once the explosion happends, the most likely result is death.... and there really is no "middle ground" in that anywhere....dead IS dead.

The problem here isn't guns.
A It is racism. But we can't do anything about that until we admit that the problem isn't just white people. But I don't see you even understanding the last half of that.
B Mental health. There is evidence that he was taking mode altering drugs and had shown, even though friends and family say statements like he was going to shoot up a college didn't tip them off. If his doctor was treating him he should have seen warning signs. If so it should have been in the background check system, too many states refuse to enter this information and should be required to.
C A total disrespect for both the law and people. People is clear from the fact that he murdered people. The law from various things, he's a drug dealer, which would keep from legally getting a gun. The fact that he and his father broke the law to get him a gun, this alone shoots down your position. He didn't care about gun laws. He didn't care about it being illegal to have a gun in the church. Most importantly he didn't care about committing murder.

A.....even though you took a peek at My profile, you are clueless about Me because if you actually did know anything, you'd never of said that....


So.......lets look at this with a bit of logic shall we?..... so lets see,

B,C - you basically are saying that laws governing the people using guns fails because if someone ignores/doesn't care about the law.....

well gosh shucky darn! How sad is that? Another day another gun death right?

So the next day more people go out and buy guns that get stolen and put on the "Black Market" where people like the killers dad buys them and use them on us.

But NO....... guns aren't the problem bamad says.

Everything else in the entire world is the problem but NEVER the cutesy-wootesy guns that doesn't have a "middle ground" once the cutesy-wootesy trigger gets pulled by the real problem.

people,..... well gosh shucky darn! How sad is that? Another day another gun death right?

A problem that can never be solved so the killing and the profits the gun makers and the funeral homes rake in have no "middle ground" ether.

They just keep getting bigger as the body count does.

Baby talk, how cute.
Can't help that they didn't use a gun in OK City the left still claimed that it meant the end of the 2nd. This guy didn't kill because he was able to get a gun illegally he killed because he was a racist wacko drug head.
You want to blame an inanimate object and pretend you are better than those who don't agree with you. As for the middle ground your ilk has proven there is no such thing with you. I want to stop killers you aren't capable of seeing past guns. It is clear that your peak at my profile did you no more good than you say yours did for me.

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I blame the AVAILABLITY of that "inanimate object" that propels another "inanimate object" into innocent human beings while you talk about soft pedaling the subject. And My race is just as much perps as victims in this perpetual line of bullshit. and yours is just as culpable.

At SOME damn point you have to blame the Guns. Or all you are doing is giving lip service to the problem.

The AVAILABLITY of guns to the WRONG people has to got to stop.

Stop .....some way.... some how.... or This "debate" will never ever see any kind of ending.

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Bull, he is using it for political gain to help him fundamentally change the country, remember his vow to do that?

He sees it as a political problem that might therefore have a political solution. I agree, I have to say.

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