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Wait for the spin Peon. As Eric Holder says, never waste a good crisis. But the answer to your question is, we've seen this sort of thing before and know how it will play out. Yes, that is what you on the left do.

Rahm Emanuel said that.

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Wait for the spin Peon. As Eric Holder says, never waste a good crisis. But the answer to your question is, we've seen this sort of thing before and know how it will play out. Yes, that is what you on the left do.

Rahm Emanuel said that.

Hmm. I do see what I feel to be a suspicious tendency to forestall any effort towards useful change towards preventing such outrages in the future by means of a two-pronged 'attack': one, to lament - loudly and ostentatiously; two, to accuse those who call for changes of 'trying to make political capital out of a tragedy'.

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Tweak may I ask why you so adamantly defended the actions of the Islamic murder in Australia because he was obviously insane... Yet refuse to even consider this murderer could also be mentally ill and exhibit the same compassion toward him?

Myself I believe they are both murderers and do not deserve to share another breath with civilized humans...but I am curious why you are taking opposing positions on obviously insane murderers.

Here you are calling him a terrorists yet when I tried to say the same about the murderer in your country you defended him as an act of insanity not terrorism.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Tweak may I ask why you so adamantly defended the actions of the Islamic murder in Australia because he was obviously insane... Yet refuse to even consider this murderer could also be mentally ill and exhibit the same compassion toward him?

Myself I believe they are both murderers and do not deserve to share another breath with civilized humans...but I am curious why you are taking opposing positions on obviously insane murderers.

Here you are calling him a terrorists yet when I tried to say the same about the murderer in your country you defended him as an act of insanity not terrorism...Will is this not the same?

Butch

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Show me what you think is useful change and show me what you call accusations of trying to make political capital.

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You are having a discussion on minority communities.
You just arent using facts, or understanding the deeper issues. you dont have the compassion or the knowledge.just your particular brand of koolaid to fall back on..
An assumption about murder figures is just that an assumption, no back up , no link, nothing but your own ugliness in your post.
Im not the one deflecting it from being a racist attack or a racist terror attack, by saying that blacks are the cause of your country having such a shitty murder rate.
but its ok, you can blame who you want, innocent people will keep dying, and you will only be angry when someone says you are part of the problem...like your response to me, is to ...blame anyone else.
Your post says you want resolution without being involved.
Mod 3, I didnt see your post....if you need to delete...well yanno

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This is as depraved as any massacre can be. If the victims at the Christian church were white and the perp were Muslim, Sanity would be more concerned and alarmed.

Domestic Terrorism doesn't really concern him.

He probably doesn't believe we can curb domestic terrorism, but somehow thinks we can curb it abroad. Each is a noble goal, but BUSH's "War on Terrorism" only made things worse.

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1. Shooting sprees are not rare in the United States.

2. Gun ownership in the United States is declining overall, but nearly a third of households still have a gun.

3. Active shooter events have become more common in recent years

4. Of the 12 deadliest shootings in the United States, six have happened from 2007 onward.

5. America is an unusually violent country. But we're not as violent as we used to be.

6. The South is the most violent region in the United States.

7. More guns tend to mean more homicide.

8. States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.

9. Gun control, in general, has not been politically popular -- and its popularity has been declining lately.

10. While general gun control isn't that popular, particular policies are.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/18/11-essential-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

Actually, it's very well established that more guns equals less crime.

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Show me what you think is useful change and show me what you call accusations of trying to make political capital.

I meant in general, across society, when such atrocities occur. As for 'useful change' - well, that's up to you to work out - unless you believe that there's nothing that *can* be changed, that is. Is the latter the case, for you?

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This is as depraved as any massacre can be. If the victims at the Christian church were white and the perp were Muslim, Sanity would be more concerned and alarmed.

Domestic Terrorism doesn't really concern him.

He probably doesn't believe we can curb domestic terrorism, but somehow thinks we can curb it abroad. Each is a noble goal, but BUSH's "War on Terrorism" only made things worse.

sure he would and if they had been a bunch of old white republicans you would be dancing in the street [:'(]

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Please stop taking this poor deranged individual seriously”

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“Most people here accept that the perp was a deeply troubled individual with serious mental and legal challenges.

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“ If you insist on taking this demented soul seriously that’s your choice… It doesn’t seem justified by the facts.

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“So the picture emerging is one of a deeply isolated and troubled man.”

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another bullshit assumption

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another bullshit assumption

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So, no personal comment, typical from you. Can't put an idea out there to be criticized now can we. In general, across society, there are billions of people on this planet. How is it you are going to prevent this sort of thing happening? I even posted where it was happening in totalitarian China, except with knives and cleavers. So, you tell me how you control this sort of thing? It's easier, I know to criticize than to find a solution.

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So, no personal comment, typical from you. Can't put an idea out there to be criticized now can we. In general, across society, there are billions of people on this planet. How is it you are going to prevent this sort of thing happening? I even posted where it was happening in totalitarian China, except with knives and cleavers. So, you tell me how you control this sort of thing? It's easier, I know to criticize than to find a solution.

Nup. Sorry old chap. I'm tired of dealing with intellectual parasites. We're all now more than abundantly clear that gun control won't help as far as your (far) end of the political spectrum is concerned The ball is on your court. What *will* work?

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Nup. Sorry old chap. I'm tired of dealing with intellectual parasites. We're all now more than abundantly clear that gun control won't help as far as your (far) end of the political spectrum is concerned The ball is on your court. What *will* work?