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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 3:33:10 PM   
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Technically he wouldn't ban the 4th.
The proposed EPA rules would ban things like fireworks.
And bar-b-ques.


I know, I know. But, the subject line....


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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 3:40:24 PM   
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Maybe he just gave it a hackneyed accent, 'itler?

Mussolini's wife's name had an H in it, too.


thats 'ackneyed 'itler.
As far as his wife having an H in her name, thats probably why he wanted it banned.


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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 3:44:39 PM   
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Technically he wouldn't ban the 4th.
The proposed EPA rules would ban things like fireworks.
And bar-b-ques.


I know, I know. But, the subject line....


Doesn't surprise me in the least that you know, but not everyone does.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 3:56:51 PM   
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Politifact rates the claim as false,
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/26/allen-west/allen-west-says-obama-epa-wants-regulate-backyard-/
more like fox, daily caller and whoever wrote it are fear mongering conspiracy idiots again.quell surprise
edited to add while looking into it.
my bad, that particular article was in previous article written and linked from the article in the OP... Not this latest (s)hit piece.
However..it is pretty much as false as the first.
I have more links coming.


http://www.kansas.com/news/local/article1068398.html
    quote:

    Sparklers, firecrackers and flaming fountains of sparks helped push Wichita's ozone levels past the Environmental Protection Agency standards on Independence Day, city officials say.

    The city is still walking a tightrope between maintaining acceptable levels of ozone and exceeding the EPA standard, which requires an average of fewer than .075 parts per million of ozone particles during an 8-hour period. If the city has four days with 8-hour averages above that limit, it will have to produce a plan to reduce ozone that could cost taxpayers and businesses millions of dollars.

    The city already exceeded the standard twice in April when winds blew smoke into the area from controlled burns in the Flint Hills and wildfires in Oklahoma.


Just in case anyone wants to cry foul, this was from 2011, and not current.

The current standard was set by the EPA in 2008 @ 0.075 ppm. So, Witchita, in 2011, had crossed that line several times (though two were completely out of it's control), and, based on their historical readings, have two more likely coming.

Dropping the standards to a range between 0.065-0.070 ppm would very likely increase the number of days the standard isn't met. As far as the Daily Caller's (which is what the Allen West piece quotes) claim that fireworks and BBQ's would have to be banned, well, it sure seems like fireworks will definitely put Witchita over (since it's already doing it). I can't speak to the impact of backyard BBQ's, though.

In Toledo, the advice to consumers on "Ozone Action Days":
    quote:

    10 Tips for the Public
      - Drive less. Drive more slowly. Share a ride, chain trips, walk or bike. Take public transportation.

      - Refuel your car or fill gas cans in the morning or after 6 p.m. Avoid spilling gas or releasing vapors.

      - Conserve energy in your home to reduce energy needs: hang clothes outside to dry rather than operate a dryer, set your thermostat between 76-78 degrees in the summer to reduce air conditioner use.

      - Properly maintain your vehicle. Get a tune up and inflate tires to the correct pressure.

      - Turn your car off. Park the car and walk into the building instead of using the drive thru.

      - Change your mowing habits. Mow the lawn less frequently or mow earlier in the morning or in the evening.

      - Insulate and weather-strip your home.

      - Run dishwasher and washing machines only when fully loaded.

      - Turn off lights and appliances when not in use.

      - Apply paint with rollers and brushes instead of sprays to cut down on fumes and to save paint.


I could have sworn there was a call to not grill on OAD's, too. Maybe that's been relaxed. But, if a few backyards in the same area using grills can cause an increase in ground level ozone to the point where it pushes the general area's level up over the EPA limit, WTF does any fast food burger joint do?!?

I guess, in the end, there is some truth to the scaremongering that new EPA guidelines might put a damper on 4th of July activities, but claiming those things are going to be banned just might be a bit of hyperbole.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 4:11:39 PM   
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I guess, in the end, there is some truth to the scaremongering that new EPA guidelines might put a damper on 4th of July activities, but claiming those things are going to be banned just might be a bit of hyperbole.

Thats what Im objecting to,

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 4:23:23 PM   
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This looks only slightly less plausible than the 'They're Going to Ban Christmas!' one.


They should ban stupidity, and those gullible enough to take it in. Dont any of you Republicans check any facts or do you just continue to read and whats worse spread any bullshit you can find.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 4:34:05 PM   
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It's official: This is now my number-one worry.

The basal cells and lung node can fight it out for second place.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 4:58:21 PM   
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FR

It's official: This is now my number-one worry.

The basal cells and lung node can fight it out for second place.

You keep your faith my friend. You need to get well, Happy 4th hon, Im collecting a bunch of links and pictures for you which I will email soon:)

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 4:59:03 PM   
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The basal cells and lung node can fight it out for second place.


Well at least they're *American* basal cells and lung nodes, DC.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 5:30:45 PM   
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Our city 'banned' firecrackers and aerials a few years ago. (Enforcement is all but absent, but legal sales plummeted and the air is Much better.) The clouds of black power smoke would be like medium fog and streetlights would be glowing embers in fog banks seen from a distance, only taller buildings or trees showing. When winds weren't particularly strong (and in many valleys anyway) the ER admittance rate of the breathing impaired and aged skyrocketed each 4th and New Years Day, which didn't seem inappropriate to fireworks enthusiasts. (Also Chinese New Years)
Exactly how the EPA is to identify and reduce threats to our community health yet leave well identified threats which are 'hallowed' traditions alone isn't obvious. Ozone is year round, not just a couple of days a year. SoCal has already regulated outdoor BBQ, other urban areas can't be far behind. Anyone living downwind of a grilling enthusiast knows it is not a trivial contribution to anthropogenic toxins in the air. Sometimes cultures have to change to survive more dense living arrangements. We seem to have gotten over privies and horse stables (TB rates crashed when urban commercial traffic moved from horses to trucks, buses and taxis), BBQs are going to be more difficult for the present population to accept. Plumbing and motor transport were an easier sell?
Commercial BBQ facilities have to have chimney exhaust cleaning filters in some places. This will spread. Nobody wants added costs or inconveniences. Nobody want to breath industrial Chinese city air either. Nobody seems to want the credit (Nixon signed it so Dems won't publicize that. Republicans hate to admit the Feds have to be the agency in charge of regional and national issues) but the Clean Air and Water acts saved the country from what is current in many E. Asia cities.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 5:37:12 PM   
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Why did Mussolini ban the letter H?



The short answer is idiocy, the longer answer is partly for anty-british propaganda partly as a psicologycal tool of control like in orwel's 1984. We have a shorter alphabet in italian j k w x y are missing and are considered foreigner letters, as h is always mute and has a narrow use he declared it as foreigner letter too, so to ban as symbol of the english language. He also banned the handshake beause it was for "faggots", the christian calendar so the years would start from the fascist golpe, and also changed the verbal courtesy form... well also freedom of speach and other basic rights but I was just naming the odd ones.


That sounds kind of weird, especially since Mussolini was allied with Hitler, whose name begins with H.



well I suppose coherence is not a quality required to establish a dictatorship

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 8:18:13 PM   
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This looks only slightly less plausible than the 'They're Going to Ban Christmas!' one.


They should ban stupidity, and those gullible enough to take it in. Dont any of you Republicans check any facts or do you just continue to read and whats worse spread any bullshit you can find.

Doesn't even a crotchety liberal like you get the idea that most of us get the idea that its a heads-up? And most of us can read that in the article. Why is it you can't?

Btw...if they do ban stupidity, what do you suppose they'll do with you?


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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/3/2015 8:28:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I guess, in the end, there is some truth to the scaremongering that new EPA guidelines might put a damper on 4th of July activities, but claiming those things are going to be banned just might be a bit of hyperbole.

Thats what Im objecting to,


Then, we agree on that.


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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/4/2015 4:31:10 AM   
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If the E. P. A. gets their way, then the way we know it just might.
http://allenbwest.com/2015/07/yes-really-obama-is-about-to-end-the-4th-of-july-as-we-know-it/

I guarantee we will ALWAYS have a 4th of July.

Mussolini banned the letter H from italian alphabet so maybe Obama won't follow his example only with the ACA but will also ban the number 4.


Considering the 4th is tomorrow, he'll only be able to ban one "4th of July" via edict. But, I can also guarantee that there will be legislation passed quite soon after the edict is passed down that will return the 4th of July back to the people, and I'd bet it would have no problem amassing the necessary votes to be veto-proof.

Why did Mussolini ban the letter H?



The short answer is idiocy, the longer answer is partly for anty-british propaganda partly as a psicologycal tool of control like in orwel's 1984. We have a shorter alphabet in italian j k w x y are missing and are considered foreigner letters, as h is always mute and has a narrow use he declared it as foreigner letter too, so to ban as symbol of the english language. He also banned the handshake beause it was for "faggots", the christian calendar so the years would start from the fascist golpe, and also changed the verbal courtesy form... well also freedom of speach and other basic rights but I was just naming the odd ones.


I'm in Italy in September, including Rome, so if I bump into these blokes I'll offer them all a handshake. Mind you, they don't seem to be overly concerned with holding hands and generally having a cuddle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXf-KJvUf8




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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/4/2015 10:31:31 AM   
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If the E. P. A. gets their way, then the way we know it just might.

http://allenbwest.com/2015/07/yes-really-obama-is-about-to-end-the-4th-of-july-as-we-know-it/


HAHAHAHAHAHA.....

Allen West is trying to sound intelligent and well informed. BULLSHIT....

Here is a sad fact, the majority of Americans would fail an exam on basic understanding of Science. Want to guess how well they would do on advance concepts in Science? Even worst. An these tests would not be multiple choice either. Further reducing the chance of 'getting the answer right' by chance.

Try to learn the material rather than being told what to think. That's one we we keep tyranny from taking hold in the nation.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/4/2015 10:36:08 AM   
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If the E. P. A. gets their way, then the way we know it just might.
http://allenbwest.com/2015/07/yes-really-obama-is-about-to-end-the-4th-of-july-as-we-know-it/


I guarantee we will ALWAYS have a 4th of July.



Mussolini banned the letter H from italian alphabet so maybe Obama won't follow his example only with the ACA but will also ban the number 4.


Is Mussolini alive right now? No.
Is Mussolini a US Citizen? No.
Is Mussolini a US President? No.
Does Mussolini hold any political power within the United States of America? No.

So your argument is irrelevant.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/4/2015 10:55:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
If the E. P. A. gets their way, then the way we know it just might.
http://allenbwest.com/2015/07/yes-really-obama-is-about-to-end-the-4th-of-july-as-we-know-it/


I guarantee we will ALWAYS have a 4th of July.



Mussolini banned the letter H from italian alphabet so maybe Obama won't follow his example only with the ACA but will also ban the number 4.


Is Mussolini alive right now? No.
Is Mussolini a US Citizen? No.
Is Mussolini a US President? No.
Does Mussolini hold any political power within the United States of America? No.

So your argument is irrelevant.


Are you serious? because I was not

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/4/2015 11:08:50 AM   
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I'm in Italy in September, including Rome, so if I bump into these blokes I'll offer them all a handshake. Mind you, they don't seem to be overly concerned with holding hands and generally having a cuddle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXf-KJvUf8





here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FVIqSTJK6I you have some cultural advices, don't forget to say everyone "your sister" with that gesture, and yes it's socially required to touch your genitals in any dangerouse situation and whenever an ambulance passes near to you.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/4/2015 11:23:55 AM   
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This looks only slightly less plausible than the 'They're Going to Ban Christmas!' one.


They should ban stupidity, and those gullible enough to take it in. Dont any of you Republicans check any facts or do you just continue to read and whats worse spread any bullshit you can find.

Doesn't even a crotchety liberal like you get the idea that most of us get the idea that its a heads-up? And most of us can read that in the article. Why is it you can't?

Btw...if they do ban stupidity, what do you suppose they'll do with you?



It`s more of the same right-wing anti government bull shit narrative ......

Which is a main cause of right-wing terrorism in the US.

The only dicks who hate our government more are the jihadis.

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RE: 4th of July Going Away? - 7/4/2015 11:55:29 AM   
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Regrettably, my experience with the EPA is that the agency is full of political appointees making rules with no understanding of science or engineering. They worry about the 4th decimal place when readings are with equipment only reliable to two. Way too many working with the EPA who seem to go by "This is the policy. Don't confuse me with facts."

Anyway... fireworks trivia...

Firework displays were introduced and encouraged as a safety measure during the Centennial Celebration of 1876. This was to discourage the discharge of firearms into the are as was customary in celebration of Independence Day.

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