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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/30/2015 9:28:06 PM   
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Its a part of, or an offshoot of the far left Marxist ideology

Half of them probably never even heard of Marx, or even Groucho. I think they would fall into the category of "useful idiots".

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 4:47:15 AM   
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So a little bit of googling uncovers the assertion that "black lives matter" was first used by a prominent civil rights activist, who is also a marxist.

But, I am sure that Kirata is right in positing that most people don't associate the phrase with Marxism.

I'm not sure I agree with the "useful idiots" characterisation, I think that those people who don't understand the purpose and goal of the "black lives matter" are better classed as idiots.

There is nothing in the term that suggests that other lives don't matter. Grammatically there is no logical way you could draw that inference. For the eternally confused, and I would certainly not place Kirata in this bucket, the goal of the statement is to assert that black lives matter as much as other lives and that, implicitly, a large number of people believe that in today's culture they are not given the same status as non-black lives.

Of course, if you don't think that black lives matter as much as other lives, then doubtless you'll be wanting to position the people who make the claim that the people using the term are idiots.

You may believe that there is no problem, and that the argument is a silly one, and that therefore the people using the term are idiots. Personally, I think this is a difficult point to make successfully, but it is certainly a point.

While it is convenient, albeit stupid and lazy, to attempt to characterise everything you disagree with as a Marxist plot, I'm not sure it's a helpful approach to take. Since the attempt is far more likely to make the person making it look like a stupid drooling stain. But, this is an open forum, with very relaxed moderation, so if people want to play the role of fuck wad, I can only be entertained by it.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 5:00:12 AM   
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http://thebereanwatch.org/wordpress/?p=669


The site you linked me to above is an opinion blog. Have you any proof that these people are Marxists?


um, if you will read the rest of the thread to see what I posted in response to peon's comment, you will see this question has been answered.

and as to your seemingly denigrating the blogger's "opinion"---when someone argues a position and supports that argument with logic and facts when available, that position moves beyond mere "opinion" towards the realm of truth. are you hoping instead for a sneak peek at their headquarters to see if they have posters of marx and lenin on their walls?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 5:01:37 AM   
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yes on the whole, the onus for supporting claims is on the author of the thought.


Thank you. That was my thought also.


you conveniently lopped off the part of the post where I generally derided you for not taking the two minutes to look it up yourself, especially since supposedly you are interested, and its so easy to do.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 5:12:21 AM   
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...the goal of the statement is to assert that black lives matter as much as other lives and that, implicitly, a large number of people believe that in today's culture they are not given the same status as non-black lives...



I don't disagree with this, however, the group is certainly not coming across this way.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 5:21:23 AM   
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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 5:34:53 AM   
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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 5:41:47 AM   
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...the goal of the statement is to assert that black lives matter as much as other lives and that, implicitly, a large number of people believe that in today's culture they are not given the same status as non-black lives...



I don't disagree with this, however, the group is certainly not coming across this way.


Well, to begin with, I'm not sure it's all that fair to characterise it as a "group" - I think that most people using the term aren't formally affiliated with any specific "group", they just feel that there's a problem in society about the extent to which black lives are valued.

I would also wonder if your perception of the way in which the group is coming across might be influenced by the news sources you rely on. As a left-leaning liberal, I've not seen much at all that signals that the "movement" is a crypto marxist revolutionary faction. Of course, I could be being lead by the nose by my socialist masters, and we all (left and right) need to be careful about biase in the news sources we rely on.

It's not uncommon for extreme groups / factions to emerge within movements, and it's not uncommon for those same groups / factions to attempt to subvert movements by aligning with them, but whatever the nonsense, there is a real and sincere perception among many americans, from many sides of the political spectrum, that black lives don't seem to matter as much as white ones.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 5:59:34 AM   
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There is nothing in the term that suggests that other lives don't matter.



Martin O'Malley Apologizes For Saying "All Lives Matter ...

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 6:23:17 AM   
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America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

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Of course that only matters if you are black, or at least it seems like that to me.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 6:27:13 AM   
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From the same page I linked to in post #49 above:

Trump Slams "Pathetic Weak Disgusting Little Baby" Martin O'Malley For Apologizing To Black Lives Matter

I am liking Trump a little more every day

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 7:09:48 AM   
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From the same page I linked to in post #49 above:

Trump Slams "Pathetic Weak Disgusting Little Baby" Martin O'Malley For Apologizing To Black Lives Matter

I am liking Trump a little more every day

Indeed.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 8:01:12 AM   
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http://thebereanwatch.org/wordpress/?p=669


The site you linked me to above is an opinion blog. Have you any proof that these people are Marxists?


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um, if you will read the rest of the thread to see what I posted in response to peon's comment, you will see this question has been answered.


With your opinion and no validation for such...which was my point.

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and as to your seemingly denigrating the blogger's "opinion"---when someone argues a position and supports that argument with logic and facts when available, that position moves beyond mere "opinion" towards the realm of truth.



I denigrated nothing. I pointed out that the blog was opinion. Nothing in the blog rises to the level of fact or logic consequently it's claim towards the "realm of truth" is illogical.



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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 8:04:35 AM   
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yes on the whole, the onus for supporting claims is on the author of the thought.


Thank you. That was my thought also.


you conveniently lopped off the part of the post where I generally derided you for not taking the two minutes to look it up yourself, especially since supposedly you are interested, and its so easy to do.


To claim in one breath that it is not my job to do someone elses research and in the next to claim it somehow is is hardly worth repeating.
Now here we are a page later and still no validation from you or from the original poster.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 10:43:46 AM   
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From the same page I linked to in post #49 above:

Trump Slams "Pathetic Weak Disgusting Little Baby" Martin O'Malley For Apologizing To Black Lives Matter

I am liking Trump a little more every day


No surprise there because, of course, Trump is an avid follower of Hitler. And - to borrow your own words - if you need a link proving that Trump is a goose-stepping Nazi, I have a solid gold bridge to sell you for whatever money you got in your pockets right now.

Consider your petard hoisted. :-)

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 11:44:23 AM   
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From the same page I linked to in post #49 above:

Trump Slams "Pathetic Weak Disgusting Little Baby" Martin O'Malley For Apologizing To Black Lives Matter

I am liking Trump a little more every day


No surprise there because, of course, Trump is an avid follower of Hitler. And - to borrow your own words - if you need a link proving that Trump is a goose-stepping Nazi, I have a solid gold bridge to sell you for whatever money you got in your pockets right now.

Consider your petard hoisted. :-)

I don't care for Trump, but this accusation is rediculous.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 11:49:12 AM   
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From the same page I linked to in post #49 above:

Trump Slams "Pathetic Weak Disgusting Little Baby" Martin O'Malley For Apologizing To Black Lives Matter

I am liking Trump a little more every day


No surprise there because, of course, Trump is an avid follower of Hitler. And - to borrow your own words - if you need a link proving that Trump is a goose-stepping Nazi, I have a solid gold bridge to sell you for whatever money you got in your pockets right now.

Consider your petard hoisted. :-)

I don't care for Trump, but this accusation is rediculous.


Peons one of those wild eyed trolls

You don't agree with him you're Hitler, or worse...

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 12:57:40 PM   
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From the same page I linked to in post #49 above:

Trump Slams "Pathetic Weak Disgusting Little Baby" Martin O'Malley For Apologizing To Black Lives Matter

I am liking Trump a little more every day


No surprise there because, of course, Trump is an avid follower of Hitler. And - to borrow your own words - if you need a link proving that Trump is a goose-stepping Nazi, I have a solid gold bridge to sell you for whatever money you got in your pockets right now.

Consider your petard hoisted. :-)

considering that Trump is frequently being sued, he is what America is really all about.. he is a bright, shining example of this.. becoming a (for sale) politician is right up his alley!..

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/how-trump-could-turn-the-presidency-into-a-127901460096.html

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 1:10:02 PM   
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I don't care for Trump, but this accusation is rediculous.


Yes of course it's ridiculous; just as it was ridiculous for Sanity to claim that Black Lives Matter was all based on Marxism. God's sake, Bama - was that really impossible to get? I even cited Sanity's own words.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 1:54:28 PM   
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I don't care for Trump, but this accusation is rediculous.


Yes of course it's ridiculous; just as it was ridiculous for Sanity to claim that Black Lives Matter was all based on Marxism. God's sake, Bama - was that really impossible to get? I even cited Sanity's own words.

A couple of weeks ago I saw a serious claim that Prescot Bush was sent to prison for treason.
While I do not assume that BLM is at it's core Marxist they are alowing themselves to be used by the far left, putting them in the usefull idiot catagory.
They are also racist, why else would they object to the idea that all lives matter. That includes black lives. But they won't stand for anyone claiming that any lives but black lives matter. They take the idea that every killing is a tradegy, not just when blacks are killed by whites as racist. Thus according to them every decent person on the planet, including you, is a racist.

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