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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 3:20:30 PM   
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They are also racist, why else would they object to the idea that all lives matter.


They don't.

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That includes black lives. But they won't stand for anyone claiming that any lives but black lives matter. They take the idea that every killing is a tradegy, not just when blacks are killed by whites as racist. Thus according to them every decent person on the planet, including you, is a racist.


Ah yes, you've missed the point. Perhaps it's a subtle one, although it seems relatively straightforward to me. Missed on you though.

But.. what the fuck is new about that!

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 3:53:24 PM   
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There is nothing in the term that suggests that other lives don't matter. Grammatically there is no logical way you could draw that inference... the goal of the statement is to assert that black lives matter as much as other lives and that, implicitly, a large number of people believe that in today's culture they are not given the same status as non-black lives.

While I don't disagree with your analysis of the phrase, I don't see any evidence that it is correct. Nothing is more dangerous to a black person in this country than another black person -- not white people, not the police, not skinheads, not anything. Yet the movement devotes itself to endless racist frothing against white people and the police while studiously ignoring the glaring fact that blacks in America, even young children and toddlers, are being routinely slaughtered by other blacks with such shocking abandon that the mayhem accounts for nearly half of our entire national homicide rate. I don't know what their agenda is, but it's abundantly clear that it has nothing to do with giving a fuck about "black lives".

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 4:06:30 PM   
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So a little bit of googling uncovers the assertion that "black lives matter" was first used by a prominent civil rights activist, who is also a marxist.

But, I am sure that Kirata is right in positing that most people don't associate the phrase with Marxism.

I'm not sure I agree with the "useful idiots" characterisation, I think that those people who don't understand the purpose and goal of the "black lives matter" are better classed as idiots.

There is nothing in the term that suggests that other lives don't matter. Grammatically there is no logical way you could draw that inference. For the eternally confused, and I would certainly not place Kirata in this bucket, the goal of the statement is to assert that black lives matter as much as other lives and that, implicitly, a large number of people believe that in today's culture they are not given the same status as non-black lives.

Of course, if you don't think that black lives matter as much as other lives, then doubtless you'll be wanting to position the people who make the claim that the people using the term are idiots.

You may believe that there is no problem, and that the argument is a silly one, and that therefore the people using the term are idiots. Personally, I think this is a difficult point to make successfully, but it is certainly a point.

While it is convenient, albeit stupid and lazy, to attempt to characterise everything you disagree with as a Marxist plot, I'm not sure it's a helpful approach to take. Since the attempt is far more likely to make the person making it look like a stupid drooling stain. But, this is an open forum, with very relaxed moderation, so if people want to play the role of fuck wad, I can only be entertained by it.
hmmmm...what kind of fuck wad would you be if you were to say "Do all lives matter...Really...to the St Paul chapter of BlackLivesMatter?"

Black Lives Matter protesters marching on the Minnesota state fair on Saturday spewed violent anti-cop rhetoric just hours after a Harris County, Tex. sheriff’s deputy was ambushed and executed at a Houston-area gas station.

“Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon,” activists with the St. Paul, Minn. branch of Black Lives Matter chanted while marching behind a group of police officers down a highway just south of the State Fair grounds.

There's even video of these 'lovers of all lives'.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/29/black-lives-matter-protesters-chant-pigs-in-a-blanket-fry-em-like-bacon-video/


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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 4:23:32 PM   
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They are also racist, why else would they object to the idea that all lives matter.


They don't.

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That includes black lives. But they won't stand for anyone claiming that any lives but black lives matter. They take the idea that every killing is a tradegy, not just when blacks are killed by whites as racist. Thus according to them every decent person on the planet, including you, is a racist.


Ah yes, you've missed the point. Perhaps it's a subtle one, although it seems relatively straightforward to me. Missed on you though.

But.. what the fuck is new about that!

They booed O'Mally off the stage for saying all lives matter.
They pretend that if you say anyone elses life matters you don't value black lives.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 10:03:10 PM   
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Nothing is more dangerous to a black person in this country than another black person --


Why do you feel that all black people are dangerous?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 8/31/2015 10:47:51 PM   
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Nothing is more dangerous to a black person in this country than another black person --

Why do you feel that all black people are dangerous?

Fuck off, bozo.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 12:04:03 AM   
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They booed O'Mally off the stage for saying all lives matter.
They pretend that if you say anyone elses life matters you don't value black lives.


I would never expect you to be able to apply the critical thinking necessary to understand that in the face of "black lives matter", responding with "all lives matter" is stupid and offensive. In order for you to be able to understand this, not particularly sophisticated, nuance, you would have to be able to get your head around the fact that there is a strong perception that black lives matter less in american culture, and that the claim "all lives matter" represents a denial of the issue about black lives appearing to matter less.

It's complicated, I know. And if I could explain it to you with stickle bricks I surely would.




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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 12:06:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why do you think there is so much hostility?

Do you think that it's down to the colour of their skin? Do you think that black people are simply more likely to be violent, because of their race? Or do you think that there might be some driver for this hostility, something that makes these pesky black people get all squirrelly?

I am, albeit only mildly, curious.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 12:16:19 AM   
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They booed O'Mally off the stage for saying all lives matter.
They pretend that if you say anyone elses life matters you don't value black lives.



Actually, if you watch the video, you'll notice that booing started right when O'Malley said "White Lives Matter". It speaks a bit more to the message coming out of the DNC.



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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 3:52:07 AM   
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Washington (AFP) - President Barack Obama vowed Monday to push for police officer safety after a Texas sheriff's deputy was gunned down from behind and shot multiple times at close range.

Darren Goforth, 47, was killed late Friday in the Houston area, and local officials have blamed ramped-up rhetoric against police officers in the United States in protests against perceived police brutality.

The veteran law enforcement officer "was contemptibly shot and killed over the weekend," Obama said in a statement after he spoke by telephone with the deputy sheriff's widow Kathleen Goforth.

The president said he offered his condolences to the widow. Goforth, a white, 10-year veteran of the force, also left behind two children.

"I also promised that I would continue to highlight the uncommon bravery that police officers show in our communities every single day," Obama added.

"They put their lives on the line for our safety."

Shannon Miles, a 30-year-old black man with a long criminal history, has been charged with capital murder.

"Targeting police officers is completely unacceptable -- an affront to civilized society," Obama said.

"We've got to be able to put ourselves in the shoes of the wife who won't rest until the police officer she married walks through the door at the end of his shift.

"That comfort has been taken from Mrs. Goforth. So we must offer her our comfort -- and continue to stand up for the safety of police officers wherever they serve."

The shooting came amid a wave of protests against a string of killings of unarmed black men by police officers, most of them white.

Starting with the gunning down of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Missouri one year ago, demonstrations around the United States have condemned law enforcement's use of deadly force and called for reform of the nation's police departments.

The protests that kicked off in Ferguson renewed a debate on race and policing in America and led to reform efforts leading all the way to the White House.

But the focus on condemning cops also caused police forces to say they were being unfairly targeted, increasing their risk in an already dangerous field.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 5:11:05 AM   
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Nothing is more dangerous to a black person in this country than another black person --


Why do you feel that all black people are dangerous?


are you genuinely that obtuse or just on the message boards to start ridiculous fights?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 5:11:56 AM   
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Its nice to see Obama paying lip service to the widow and orphans after the fact

I wonder if it has anything to do with so many people pointing out the obvious

Obama, Holder, Sharpton Stoke Flames, Ferguson Officers Shot

Clarke: Obama Breathed Life into 'Ugly' Black Lives Matter Movement

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 7:20:54 AM   
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Fuck off, bozo.


Why do you feel that all black people are dangerous?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 7:29:40 AM   
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Fuck off, bozo.


Why do you feel that all black people are dangerous?


Why don't you show us where he used the term "all"?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 8:06:04 AM   
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Fuck off, bozo.


Why do you feel that all black people are dangerous?


Why don't you show us where he used the term "all"?


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Nothing is more dangerous to a black person in this country than another black person


Since the statement does not limit which other black persons are a danger the statement means all. If you doubt me I am sure the local grammar school will have an English teacher on staff that can explain the nuances of grammar for you.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 8:07:33 AM   
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Nothing is more dangerous to a black person in this country than another black person --


Why do you feel that all black people are dangerous?


are you genuinely that obtuse or just on the message boards to start ridiculous fights?


Why do you feel my question is obtuse?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 8:12:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is there any actual link to the suspected murderer and Black Lives Matter? All I've seen to suggest a connection is the sheriff's statement in the OP. Haven't had much time to catch up on the news this weekend though.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 8:44:52 AM   
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Is there any actual link to the suspected murderer and Black Lives Matter? All I've seen to suggest a connection is the sheriff's statement in the OP. Haven't had much time to catch up on the news this weekend though.


The perp is a mentally unstable homeless man, hardly affiliated with anyone.

Houston (CNN)The suspect in the slaying of Texas deputy Darren Goforth was found mentally incompetent in 2012 to stand trial on a felony assault charge, a prosecutor said Monday.

About three years ago, Shannon J. Miles was charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after fighting a man at an Austin homeless shelter over the television remote control, said Joe Frederick, a prosecutor in Travis County, Texas.

Miles kicked and punched the victim, injuring his face, back and head, Frederick said. The deadly weapon used in the assault was his hands.

Before trial, Miles was found mentally incompetent and sent to Vernon State Mental Hospital for six months, Frederick said. He was determined to be competent and sent back to Travis County for trial, but prosecutors could not find the assault victim and the case was dropped, Frederick said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/31/us/texas-deputy-killed-gas-station/

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 8:59:09 AM   
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Fuck off, bozo.


Why do you feel that all black people are dangerous?


Why don't you show us where he used the term "all"?


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Nothing is more dangerous to a black person in this country than another black person


Since the statement does not limit which other black persons are a danger the statement means all. If you doubt me I am sure the local grammar school will have an English teacher on staff that can explain the nuances of grammar for you.

Actually...the statement is limited. By the term "another".

an·oth·er
əˈnəT͟Hər/
determiner & pronoun
1.
used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"
synonyms: one more, a further, an additional
"have another drink"

Now then...in the example given above, 'another' is the determiner. Not 'all', not 'one more' but 'another'.

2.
used to refer to a different person or thing from one already mentioned or known about.
"come back another day"

Now...in the example above, 'another' is again the descriptive word.
This time used to indicate something different than the same thing, as noted.

'Another' works in these instances but let's trying using your word...'all', shall we?

"Have all drink."
"Come back all day."
Doesn't really work in the same manner, does it? In fact, it changes the meaning of what was said from what the author originally intended.

So...no, gunny, I don't think you CAN substitute the word 'all' for the term 'another'. And I'm pretty sure Kirata doesn't think so either.



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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/1/2015 9:02:54 AM   
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Nothing is more dangerous to a black person in this country than another black person --


Why do you feel that all black people are dangerous?


It depends what is being referenced... if it is death by violence then blacks have more to fear form other blacks than police or whites or any other group.

Inserting the "all" is trollish and I think you know that.

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