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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 7:03:59 PM

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Everything I have read says the founders had the 2nd ammendment forced on them by the slave holders within the ranks of the anti-federalist... I have found nothing in the federalist papers or anything by jay, madison or hamilton to sugest this line of reasoning.

Someone has been pouring shit in your ear....

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense

Americans have the right and advantage of being armed ― unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe

Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them

I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people... to disarm the people ― that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them

The great object is that every man be armed

The Constitution shall never be construed... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes

No links, do your own homework for a change.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 7:04:39 PM

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When I was a little girl I had a shoebox full of rattlesnake tails that my dad would have to shoot in our yard. I remember one time I was sitting in the swing, legs pulled up, daydreaming I guess. My dad came out from under the car he was working on, and yelled at me not to move, He had to shoot the rattler that had coiled up under the swing. Rattlers freak me the fuck out. Other snakes not so much.

Nope nope nope. Snakes are evil. Says so in the Bible.

So I guess you would not have played with my pet boa. People would freak out when they came over and saw him draped around my neck. My friends loved him.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 7:06:13 PM

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When I was a little girl I had a shoebox full of rattlesnake tails that my dad would have to shoot in our yard. I remember one time I was sitting in the swing, legs pulled up, daydreaming I guess. My dad came out from under the car he was working on, and yelled at me not to move, He had to shoot the rattler that had coiled up under the swing. Rattlers freak me the fuck out. Other snakes not so much.

Nope nope nope. Snakes are evil. Says so in the Bible.

So I guess you would not have played with my pet boa. People would freak out when they came over and saw him draped around my neck. My friends loved him.

LOL

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 7:11:03 PM

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Put this sign in your front yard. ' THIS HOME IS A GUN FREE ZONE '

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 7:37:52 PM

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Put this sign in your front yard. ' THIS HOME IS A GUN FREE ZONE '

No, no, NO! Only gun owners do that cuz we're all looking for an excuse to SHOOT somebody. What's WRONG with you???

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 7:53:03 PM

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Ohh thaaat is funny, servant. .

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servantforuse TO cloudboy: Put this sign in your front yard. ' THIS HOME IS A GUN FREE ZONE '

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 8:11:06 PM

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To me this is abnormal -- a 26 year old living with his mother -- owning 15 weapons.

Does the number of weapons make a difference to you? Once you go over a certain number, you go from self-defense to offense. What's the difference between "he owns a gun" v. "he owns 15 guns"

How many shirts do you own, do you have a good reason if you own more than 7?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 8:29:39 PM

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That brings to mind . . .

Nobel laureate Albert Schweitzer was noted for, among many other things, dressing very simply. He more or less wore the same black tie each day for 20 years.

When someone pointed out that many men owned dozens of different neckties, Schweitzer was stunned: "For one neck?"

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 8:45:19 PM

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That brings to mind . . .

Nobel laureate Albert Schweitzer was noted for, among many other things, dressing very simply. He more or less wore the same black tie each day for 20 years.

When someone pointed out that many men owned dozens of different neckties, Schweitzer was stunned: "For one neck?"

Thank God we have Tyra back in daytime tv.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 8:54:29 PM

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That brings to mind . . .

Nobel laureate Albert Schweitzer was noted for, among many other things, dressing very simply. He more or less wore the same black tie each day for 20 years.

When someone pointed out that many men owned dozens of different neckties, Schweitzer was stunned: "For one neck?"

Thank God we have Tyra back in daytime tv.

Who's Tyra and what's her connection to Schweitzer?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 9:22:11 PM

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Not caring is the meme -- nothing new there.

Not caring about your inane garbage? Definitely nothing new there.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/3/2015 9:22:18 PM

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So, generally speaking here, the tone is that one with multiple guns is simply a collector. There's no reasonable need or purpose enunciated here by anyone, no tie to self-defense, or even an acknowledgement of the increased danger in owning such an arsenal.

One poster likened owning multiple guns to a car collection.

I forgot one, a .456 hog gun.

As for justification? I like guns, I have always had guns, been raised around guns, and to be quite honest, after watching the news every night as well as my personal insight gained by a nice master's in history, I am of the opinion, that human civilization is going to go balls up.

Here are my reasons:

1) Governments based on the Republic are not known for lasting long in history, the longest lasting governments are usually empires.
2) Cities are can not survive if one part of the system breaks down, and a lot of people crowded into a small area is not a stable situation.

Look at the results of the two worst black outs in US history, that should paint a nice picture for you.

3) International travel is so easy, that it would take one person that picked up a "new" virus, be it a super flu or whatever, traveling through just one major international hub to make a mess of the planet. It would not even have to have a high mortality rate to bring cities to a complete standstill, look at what happened with SARS.

A new form of flu with even a 30% mortality rate would quickly overwhelm a major city to the point of bringing it to a stand still. Add to that the fact that as of this year, 3 new antibiotic resistant strains of plague have been found in the US Southwest, and the wonderful fact that people just love cute pets like prairie dogs, which carry the fleas that carry plague, do the math. The black death decimated the cities of the middle ages, and technology will not and cannot control a nasty bug like that.

SARS had cities closing airports to international travel, a nasty bug could have cities closing airports and highways into the cities. One question, how long would New York City last without a constant stream of trucks bringing in the basics to the city? Over a million tractor trailer rigs enter that metro area on a weekly basis.

So, let me pain you this picture.

You have a large portion of the population of a city like New York trying to get out of the city because they do not want to get sick. Where are they going to go?

You have a high percentage of doctors, nurses, cops, fire fighters etc coming down with this nasty flu, who is going to keep order?

And as I said, even if it is a low 30% mortality rate, what the hell are you going to do with the bodies piling up if the people who are supposed to get rid of them are too sick to do their job?

Hell, a 10% mortality rate can bring a city to a stand still.

I have two pieces of property, one is where I live, the other is a 250 acre chunk where I hunt, raise a few head of cattle, and if necessary, can move my family to a place where it would be safer if such an epidemic were to hit.

I have about 300 rounds of ammo for every weapon in the house, with another 10 to 20 thousand rounds at the other location. At the house, I keep two weeks worth of food for every person in the house, along with bottled water.

The other location has an 18 month stockpile that can be supplemented with wild game and the few head of cattle.

My home has a water well, and solar and wind generators supplementing the grid, the other location is completely off grid.

I have my general ham license, and will be taking my extra in a couple of months. I have two 'modern' radios, and five old tube sets that I have reconditioned.

Vehicle wise I have a deuce and half with a van on the back and one with a standard cargo bed. Both are multifuel engines.

I make my own bio diesel, with the ability to do so at both locations. I have a really neat oil press that works wonders for corn and sunflowers, so I have a sustainable source of oil.

So, while it may not happen, if something disastrous does, I am ready to take care of me and mine.

Justification for owning a large number of guns, simple, the boy scouts taught me to be prepared. I basically have a rifle for every member of the house of an age to handle one. I have pistols for everyone that can actually use one proficiently.

Now, what the hell are you going to do if you find yourself in a situation where going to the local walmart super center is a waste of time because they have nothing on the shelves?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/4/2015 1:10:34 AM

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Not just that. In the last big blackout (you were not in) there were all kinds of traffic jams on the way home from work. I was like WTF ? Figured it out when I got home, peoole ran ourt of gas, they could not buy it. It is not just that the pumps would not run, they could not process the transactions even for cash money.

I am not all that prepared for WTSHTF, but really I do not care all that much. I really do not have all that long to worry about it. Getting old.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/4/2015 1:16:48 AM

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Geez, guys, enough with the snakes already. Y'all are giving me the creeps.

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To me this is abnormal -- a 26 year old living with his mother -- owning 15 weapons.

Does the number of weapons make a difference to you? Once you go over a certain number, you go from self-defense to offense. What's the difference between "he owns a gun" v. "he owns 15 guns"

For me, just me personally, fifteen would be a lot. However, I don't collect guns. I'm not an enthusiast. I could completely understand doing so, especially if someone was interested in firearms from different periods. (Seriously, if I ever get the chance to meet Jeff at his home, second only to meeting the human, as well as the dog family, I want to see the gun collection. He's got some really neat pieces that I want to see.)

Where I come from, it's not unusual to own multiple guns. You really don't use the same gun to hunt rabbits as you do deer. You'll either obliterate the rabbit or you'll cause the deer undo suffering before it goes down. Neither of which would be my first choice if I had to put something down of the two legged variety.

And, for the record, I absolutely do own more than fifteen pairs of shoes.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/4/2015 2:12:02 AM

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That brings to mind . . .

Nobel laureate Albert Schweitzer was noted for, among many other things, dressing very simply. He more or less wore the same black tie each day for 20 years.

When someone pointed out that many men owned dozens of different neckties, Schweitzer was stunned: "For one neck?"

Thank God we have Tyra back in daytime tv.

Who's Tyra and what's her connection to Schweitzer?

If you didn't have a doctor's note, I'd have to disown you. Tyra

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/4/2015 2:45:42 AM

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Geez, guys, enough with the snakes already. Y'all are giving me the creeps.

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To me this is abnormal -- a 26 year old living with his mother -- owning 15 weapons.

Does the number of weapons make a difference to you? Once you go over a certain number, you go from self-defense to offense. What's the difference between "he owns a gun" v. "he owns 15 guns"

For me, just me personally, fifteen would be a lot. However, I don't collect guns. I'm not an enthusiast. I could completely understand doing so, especially if someone was interested in firearms from different periods. (Seriously, if I ever get the chance to meet Jeff at his home, second only to meeting the human, as well as the dog family, I want to see the gun collection. He's got some really neat pieces that I want to see.)

Where I come from, it's not unusual to own multiple guns. You really don't use the same gun to hunt rabbits as you do deer. You'll either obliterate the rabbit or you'll cause the deer undo suffering before it goes down. Neither of which would be my first choice if I had to put something down of the two legged variety.

And, for the record, I absolutely do own more than fifteen pairs of shoes.

HA! I knew it, you just want to meet Kera!!!

You must be talking about the black powder items. A couple of the more expensive pieces I put on permanent loan to a local historic society/museum. Home owners insurance was beginning to look like the national debt.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/4/2015 3:07:10 AM

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Well, of course I want to meet Kera.

I'd have special interest in the antique pieces. I consider them historical and you know I enjoy that kind of thing.

ETA - PS, so the museum is on the agenda. Gotcha.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/4/2015 4:28:52 AM

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Put this sign in your front yard. ' THIS HOME IS A GUN FREE ZONE '

I live in a remote section of the mojave desert. I have these very professional looking signs posted at 50' intervals around the perimeter of my acerage.
"poisonous reptile breeding ground
extreme caution required"

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/4/2015 5:20:51 AM

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Put this sign in your front yard. ' THIS HOME IS A GUN FREE ZONE '

I live in a remote section of the mojave desert. I have these very professional looking signs posted at 50' intervals around the perimeter of my acerage.
"poisonous reptile breeding ground
extreme caution required"

I wouldn't be expecting a visit from JvoV any time soon.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/4/2015 8:12:28 AM

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here I come from, it's not unusual to own multiple guns. You really don't use the same gun to hunt rabbits as you do deer.

LadyPact.... and please explain the different uses and needs for 5 handguns and a flak jacket. This was not a collector for pleasure...unless murdering innocents is pleasure to him... This should have been a red flag to all sane people saying this is a nut.

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