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Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man to h... - 11/12/2015 11:29:11 AM   
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315157/Woman-duped-female-friend-sex-pretending-man-using-prosthetic-penis-jailed-8-years.html

The story has elements of BDSM including blindfolds, dildos and DS.

Somewhere along the lines of safe, sane and consensual, consensual got left out...

Gayle Newland's behavior is perhaps immoral, but should it be illegal?

Should they jail every man who lies to a woman to have sex?



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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/12/2015 3:55:05 PM   
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if she has a problem admitting to wanting lesbian sex and being the driver thats one thing but the whole pretending to be a man is a bit much might be a gender identity issue in there as well. not all that understanding on the punishment but there are different rules across the pond

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/13/2015 4:10:16 AM   
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315157/Woman-duped-female-friend-sex-pretending-man-using-prosthetic-penis-jailed-8-years.html

The story has elements of BDSM including blindfolds, dildos and DS.

Somewhere along the lines of safe, sane and consensual, consensual got left out...

Gayle Newland's behavior is perhaps immoral, but should it be illegal?

Should they jail every man who lies to a woman to have sex?




I agree with you, I don't see the crime, yes she misrepresented herself as a guy, but that's where it ends, the victim agreed to have sex, there was no rape involved. Yes what she did was wrong, but I'm with you, so many guys lie to women about a lot of things, like they want relationships, they are serious and all that, to get them into bed, maybe the victim shouldn't have random sex with people she doesn't really know if she gets so traumatized by it.

The fact that pedos get away with lighter punishment from that particular judge says it all!

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/13/2015 7:05:11 AM   
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agreed no real violation of criminal law....

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315157/Woman-duped-female-friend-sex-pretending-man-using-prosthetic-penis-jailed-8-years.html

The story has elements of BDSM including blindfolds, dildos and DS.

Somewhere along the lines of safe, sane and consensual, consensual got left out...

Gayle Newland's behavior is perhaps immoral, but should it be illegal?

Should they jail every man who lies to a woman to have sex?




I agree with you, I don't see the crime, yes she misrepresented herself as a guy, but that's where it ends, the victim agreed to have sex, there was no rape involved. Yes what she did was wrong, but I'm with you, so many guys lie to women about a lot of things, like they want relationships, they are serious and all that, to get them into bed, maybe the victim shouldn't have random sex with people she doesn't really know if she gets so traumatized by it.

The fact that pedos get away with lighter punishment from that particular judge says it all!



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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/13/2015 9:00:33 AM   
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While I can't see how she got more time than some pedophiles, I do see how this is a sexual assault.

She consented to sex with a guy. She did not consent to be fucked by a woman with a strap-on.

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/13/2015 12:50:41 PM   
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While I can't see how she got more time than some pedophiles, I do see how this is a sexual assault.

She consented to sex with a guy. She did not consent to be fucked by a woman with a strap-on.



I would say she consented to have sex with a PERSON, the same person who fucked her with her consent, several times. If a guy wouldn't get it up and would use a dildo, it wouldn't be assault.

Yes it is weird, but the "victim" isn't THAT victimized, she was nor raped, apparently the sex was fairly good since she kept on doing it, she went and fucked somebody off Facebook willingly, somebody she never met in daylight and her whole problem is that it wasn't a real flesh dick but a plastic one?

So are you in favour of jailing all the guys who pretend they are single and looking for a relationship but are not? Because the women also consented to have sex with somebody who used deceit.

In my book the case should have been thrown out of court, and the advise to the "victim" would be "Don't fuck strangers off FaceBook, be happy that it was a plastic dick, at least you didn't end up with a nasty STD! You acted like an idiot, woman up and take responsibility for your actions, no assault, no rape, you consented to intercourse, intercourse was what you got!"

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/13/2015 1:10:26 PM   
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I would say she consented to have sex with a PERSON, the same person who fucked her with her consent, several times. If a guy wouldn't get it up and would use a dildo, it wouldn't be assault.


If he used a dildo without her consent, that would also be assault.


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Yes it is weird, but the "victim" isn't THAT victimized, she was nor raped, apparently the sex was fairly good since she kept on doing it, she went and fucked somebody off Facebook willingly, somebody she never met in daylight and her whole problem is that it wasn't a real flesh dick but a plastic one?


Who are you to judge how "victimized" someone is?



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So are you in favour of jailing all the guys who pretend they are single and looking for a relationship but are not? Because the women also consented to have sex with somebody who used deceit.


Nope, not at all. I don't see it as remotely the same.



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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/13/2015 1:19:40 PM   
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I would say she consented to have sex with a PERSON, the same person who fucked her with her consent, several times. If a guy wouldn't get it up and would use a dildo, it wouldn't be assault.


If he used a dildo without her consent, that would also be assault.


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Yes it is weird, but the "victim" isn't THAT victimized, she was nor raped, apparently the sex was fairly good since she kept on doing it, she went and fucked somebody off Facebook willingly, somebody she never met in daylight and her whole problem is that it wasn't a real flesh dick but a plastic one?


Who are you to judge how "victimized" someone is?



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So are you in favour of jailing all the guys who pretend they are single and looking for a relationship but are not? Because the women also consented to have sex with somebody who used deceit.


Nope, not at all. I don't see it as remotely the same.






Oh so men can use dildos on women, can misrepresent themselves and it's completely different...

There was no assault, look, if you get a BJ in a dark alley and the person is TV, you think you got a case? I don't think so, you consented to a sexual act, she consented to a sexual act.

Apparently I have braincells enough to judge that it's a bad idea to have sex with random strangers off FB and then play the victim if an act I consented to was not done with a real dick but a plastic one. FFS, in that case how about we start suing if the size wasn't what we wanted to...

Sorry, if you are stupid enough AGREE to get fucked in a dark room by a stranger, a plastic dick should be the last of your concerns, the most pressing concerns in any sane person would be HIV, Hep, syphilis, chlamydia. gonorrhoea.

Who am I to judge? One of the tax payers who pays for this frivolous law suit, brought on by some bitch in heat who went into a dark room, put a blindfold on, wanted to get fucked, got fucked and then complains that the dick was plastic and not flesh.

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/13/2015 1:27:14 PM   
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There was no assault, look, if you get a BJ in a dark alley and the person is TV, you think you got a case? I don't think so, you consented to a sexual act, she consented to a sexual act.


Here's the thing with it. In the US, it is the prosecutor's office (or the equivalent) that decides, based on the evidence, whether to bring criminal charges against someone. Grand juries may be brought in, depending on the crime and jurisdiction, but the point I'm making here that it's not the alleged victim that has the final say in it.

She could have screamed and cried all she wanted to about it, but if there was nothing in the law to base the claim of assault on, this criminal case would never have seen the light of a courtroom.

I'd be surprised if the system in the UK was vastly different in this respect.

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Who am I to judge? One of the tax payers who pays for this frivolous law suit, brought on by some bitch in heat who went into a dark room, put a blindfold on, wanted to get fucked, got fucked and then complains that the dick was plastic and not flesh.


If you don't like the law, then work to change it. Or, work to make sure that lawyers and judges that would entertain claims like this lose their jobs.


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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/13/2015 1:48:01 PM   
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Trust me, I am active in this and several other things.

I'm actually appalled that the judge lets serious and repeated pedos get away with less, especially since one of those victims committed suicide.

She brought on a civil law suit, this was not one (at least to my knowledge) that was supported by the state prosecution.

I agree the deceit is not OK but again, it happens all the time with men, why should it be different if the sex changes? Of you agree to intercourse and that is what you get, no violence, no abuse, just intercourse, there is no rape or assault.

Now let's look at the plain facts, she was willing to have sex with somebody she met online several times in a dark room, she willingly put on the blindfold, it didn't just happen once, and her whole problem was the texture of the penis... Sorry, so if a guy has a scar on his penis and I only see it in the morning, am I a victim?

Seriously, she should have checked who she has sex with. I feel that as a woman you have as much responsibility as a man if you agree to have sex. An adult consenting to have sex is that... I mentioned the risks to contract illnesses which she obviously hadn't considered, she claims most of her trauma is due to people knowing she had sex with a woman, well how did they know? SHE made it public, after giving consent in the first place.

You know any sane person would possibly be more ashamed if people know that you have sex with strangers off the internet and put a blindfold on willingly than a bit of lesbian action.

The girl needs to grow the fuck up

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/13/2015 3:14:50 PM   
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Interesting sentence. Today in the UK the papers showed the guys who hit the Red Bull F1 team headquarters and robbed a bunch of trophies. And broke open (Explosives) a number of bank machines in the area. People could have died in any one of the machine assaults. Most of a Million Pounds in loot and damages. The ringleader got 7 years, less than for using a fake dick on a consenting woman?
Does this mean every guy in the UK with a penile implant is a potential felon?

Why the joke resonates with so many: "What's a big hole with 50 dead lawyers in the bottom? A good start."

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/14/2015 8:21:44 AM   
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Trust me, I am active in this and several other things.


I don't doubt that you are.

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I'm actually appalled that the judge lets serious and repeated pedos get away with less, especially since one of those victims committed suicide.


Yes, I definitely agree with this.

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She brought on a civil law suit, this was not one (at least to my knowledge) that was supported by the state prosecution.


Civil lawsuits, by definition, don't end up in jail time.

Criminal cases are brought by prosecutors who work for a particular government entity. (Federal, provincial, state- that sort of thing). The article linked does mention "the prosecution" at least once.

I don't know what the language of the underlying law is, but apparently the actions of this gal fit into it- enough so that "the prosecution" felt that they had a case against her.

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You know any sane person would possibly be more ashamed if people know that you have sex with strangers off the internet and put a blindfold on willingly than a bit of lesbian action.


How she felt or didn't feel afterwards (or should have felt) doesn't lessen the fact that a criminal statute was violated.

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The girl needs to grow the fuck up


Perhaps so, but her "growing up" won't change the fact that this particular law in the UK allows for prosecution when things like this happen.

As I said earlier, if one doesn't like the law, they can work to change it. That, IMO, would be the most productive response to something like this.

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/14/2015 8:23:29 AM   
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Why the joke resonates with so many: "What's a big hole with 50 dead lawyers in the bottom? A good start."


Is there an equivalent for politicians? Because that's where the "blame" lies with this one.

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/15/2015 1:59:41 PM   
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Why the joke resonates with so many: "What's a big hole with 50 dead lawyers in the bottom? A good start."


Is there an equivalent for politicians? Because that's where the "blame" lies with this one.



Most politicians start out as lawyers, so maybe it would be smarter to bury the politicians in that hole when they're still in their tadpole state as lawyers. Oh, and it's supposed to be "50,000 lawyers at the bottom" ...

More generally, can somebody explain to me how the hell you have sex with someone 10 times and not realize they have a plastic dick?


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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/15/2015 8:05:11 PM   
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would something like a trans m2f and they started having sex would similar charges be filed. I would be a little disappointed but I would not be mad I would try it first

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 11/16/2015 2:06:03 AM   
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would something like a trans m2f and they started having sex would similar charges be filed. I would be a little disappointed but I would not be mad I would try it first


Well in that judges court it is very likely.... so when does she appeal the conviction to a real court?

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 12/16/2015 10:14:22 AM   
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OK I thought this was the same case, but apparently.....not.. That aside, its an interesting story...
http://www.worksopguardian.co.uk/news/local/former-gainsborough-schoolgirl-who-pretended-to-be-a-man-by-wearing-a-body-suit-to-trick-single-mum-into-sex-escapes-jail-1-7626398



A transsexual who tricked a woman into having sex was today, Tuesday, December 15, given a suspended jail sentence at Lincoln Crown Court.

Kyran Lee, who is awaiting an operation to become a man, convinced the 24-year-old victim he was somebody else when they met on Facebook and developed a relationship.

Sarah Knight, prosecuting, said that Lee used the identity of Joey G Star Crislow backing it up with a photograph of a muscular young man wearing boxer shorts.

Having made contact the pair were involved in an internet relationship for a year before finally meeting up.

The woman realised that Lee, who by then was calling himself Kyran Scott, looked nothing like the man in the photographs, but after being told that the defendant feared he would have been rejected if she saw his real photo she agreed to give him a chance and the relationship continued.

As Kyran Scott the defendant bought her with presents and they ended up having sex together when he stayed overnight at her home.

Miss Knight said that the defendant remained fully clothed in bed and used a sex toy to trick the victim into believing she was having sex with a man.

But a chance meeting at a McDonald’s led to the victim discovering she had been fooled and the person she was involved was at the time living a woman under the name Fiona Manson.



Read more: http://www.worksopguardian.co.uk/news/local/former-gainsborough-schoolgirl-who-pretended-to-be-a-man-by-wearing-a-body-suit-to-trick-single-mum-into-sex-escapes-jail-1-7626398#ixzz3uVc6j3Be

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 12/27/2015 9:29:24 AM   
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What's a "private schoolgirl"?
I guess it's the opposite of a public-school schoolgirl?

Is that naming convention a British thing?
"A judge has sentenced a former private schoolgirl to eight years in prison for duping another woman into believing she was a man before and having sex with her using a prosthetic penis."

The article was filled with oddities.
"They spent more than 100 hours together but she would always cover her eyes when they watched television together."

Is that another British thing?
Covering your eyes when watching TV?

Also, those British women must be absolutely horrendous lovers, because, even with the blindfold, they had consensual sex 10 times, and the "victim" didn't even realize it was a prosthetic penis?

The British must be LOUSY lovers, because that means the victim never even touched or kissed or licked or fondled the penis of the convicted sex offender.

I also don't get British math.
They had sex 10 times and the perpetrator is convicted of 3 counts of sexual assault?

But, they're apparently very serious about misuse of prosthetic devices, that's for sure.

I guess the 8 years in jail are for
1. Pretending to be a man when she wasn't (four years in the slammer!)
2. Pretending to have a penis when she didn't (two more years in the slammer!)
3. Pretending to squirt sperm when she couldn't (two yet another ten years!)

The judge lambasted the criminal for playing "with her affections, acting entirely for your own sexual satisfaction and choosing to ignore the devastating impact that the eventual discovery of the truth would have on her."

Wow. The British are weird when simply being a jerk to an idiot gets you 8 years in the slammer.
But, the worst thing of all was that the victim lamented "I had to delete all the friends" on Facebook.

Wow. Talk about being scarred for life!

And, it keeps going on with the weirdness!
The victim apparently told her friends she "was engaged to a guy."

Engaged?
She got engaged after only 100 hours of being with him?
She had sex with him 10 times, and never once saw his face or touched his cock?
The high-pitched voice was a result of his "Filipino/Latino" heritage? (Please note how tall and white he is, and the long flowing brunette hair.)

The stupidity goes on and on. For example, "The victim in the trial was first befriended by Newland in real life". What? They first met in real life as women?

And then "she quickly came to trust the attractive but shy young man".
Wait a minute? Attractive? But she never saw his face?
(OK. Ok. I get it. Brain surgery excuse to the rescue.)

All that I can conclude from this are that the British are apparently very stupid.

PS: I will gladly dress up in a wooly hat to have sex with blindfolded lesbian British women if you guys can find me one of those gullible Brits please!

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 12/27/2015 10:07:07 AM   
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I am Scottish not British >62% of us feel that way and we pretty much invented everything - okay the English a few things too, although they have actually invaded almost all the world.-90%..cant speak for the other nations -stupid we do not exactly have a monopoly

A couple of points:

I read the story, what was reported in whatever daily scandalpapers I read
I am flummoxed as to the verdict now maybe I didn't get/have all the facts
How many hot lesbian profiles on this site, other sites, are actually guys pretending to be women - this can be extrapolated/broken down further to basically honest via fake heinous liar etc treacherous deceit is just that.

How did she not know, I am left wondering - did she cry rape?....but ive seen that crop up with transsexual too

probably all I can really say on this one. Flummoxed. And the sentence seems on when put in perspective in addition with the reported facts of the case and its nature.

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RE: Gayle Newland is jailed for pretending to be a man ... - 12/28/2015 11:16:54 AM   
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What's a "private schoolgirl"?
I guess it's the opposite of a public-school schoolgirl?
Dur, yeah...smaart boy.

Is that naming convention a British thing? No, labels are worldwide, but you seem to want to label something in your questions

Is that another British thing?
Covering your eyes when watching TV? Dont be stupid.

Also, those British women must be absolutely horrendous lovers, because, even with the blindfold, they had consensual sex 10 times, and the "victim" didn't even realize it was a prosthetic penis?
Of course all the gender of one country is horrendous based on two cases.
Prosthetic penii tend to feel real to the recipient, thats why they sell so well. If they didnt feel real, women can and do use other things


The British must be LOUSY lovers, because that means the victim never even touched or kissed or licked or fondled the penis of the convicted sex offender.
Again, dumb arsed assumption based on nothing but a few lines in a report. dumbarse
I also don't get British math.
They had sex 10 times and the perpetrator is convicted of 3 counts of sexual assault?
You dont get the differences between having sex and assault. Its not the math its the "assault"
I have had sex thousands of times, An assault is not equal to consensual sex, is it???? in your world, it might be

But, they're apparently very serious about misuse of prosthetic devices, that's for sure.

I guess the 8 years in jail are for
1. Pretending to be a man when she wasn't (four years in the slammer!)
2. Pretending to have a penis when she didn't (two more years in the slammer!)
3. Pretending to squirt sperm when she couldn't (two yet another ten years!)
STOP guessing do yourself a favour, you are losing points on your ability to GET anything in this post.


The judge lambasted the criminal for playing "with her affections, acting entirely for your own sexual satisfaction and choosing to ignore the devastating impact that the eventual discovery of the truth would have on her."

Wow. The British are weird when simply being a jerk to an idiot gets you 8 years in the slammer.
First you have to define being a jerk. Again tho , your insistance that the whole country feels the same way is more than laughable.
snipped to cut out stupidity.

All that I can conclude from this are that the British are apparently very stupid.
ANd I can conclude that you are a copmplete moron.

PS: I will gladly dress up in a wooly hat to have sex with blindfolded lesbian British women if you guys can find me one of those gullible Brits please!
After reading your idiotic assumptions, not even a british woman would want to touch you, let alone fuck you.


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