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oooooh lets kill everyone
weeeeeeeee

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Yes just awful and no one understands or wants to really fix the problem

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....is that these so called Muslims are not really Muslims, just desperate ideology trying to make it impact on the world before it is regulated to the trash bin of history......

I'll just say my piece and retire, because I know it's not popular.
No doubt I'll get castigated for even putting this PoV yet again.

Many people 'understand' the problem.
The problem is.... they don't want to admit to what the problem is exactly.

Yes, these are Muslims. Real Muslims (in their eyes).
Everybody is talking about how these are radicalized Islamics causing havoc.
They aren't radicalized, they are just realizing that Islam and the west is like a square peg in a round hole problem.
They are just following what the Qoran is telling them.
That holy book that is the fundamental backbone that they are supposed to live by.
Those holy pages that are drummed into them all their lives from birth.

They are no different than us in the west who fundamentally live by the ten commandments that our society use for a bedrock.


The problem is - they are fundamentally different and diametrically opposed views of what societal norms should be.
And that is the problem - at its roots.

There are many Muslims and Islamics that live peacefully among us.
They do that by either -
1) keeping their true feelings hidden behind closed doors for the sake of living a better life in another country because their own country is torn by war;
2) for those wanting to live by the Qoran, they do these attrocious acts and we call them 'radicalized' for following their religion to the letter.


To me, it's obvious... and has been for some time.
True Islam, even a very moderate view, is anathema to the western way of life.
The two views clash on a number of fundamental differences.
There is just no way that the two lifestyles can co-exist without one or other giving a lot of ground; and in our western society, that means the Islamic faith has to bend beyond their base teachings.
Some won't bend that far and think it is wrong to do so - we call those 'radicalized'.
Those that stand up and DO something about it, we call those 'extremists'.


No doubt people will (and already have) called me an Islamophobe.
I'm just spelling it out as I see it.
It is two groups of people that are fundamentally different in both their societal and religious views.

In their countries, western people are expected to live by the way they do.
In the west, we expect them to live as we do.
And what do you do when those views directly clash???
In the ME, those westerners are punished according to their rather harsh (by our standards) religious laws.
We get outraged by it and our respective governments usually intervene at some point.
In the west, we tend to jail those causing havoc and call them radicalized or extremists.
Or, alternatively, they go back to their roots and declare war upon the west, and again we call them extremists.
Either way, the two ideologies cannot peacefully co-exist in entirety.

And there is the root of the problem.


So.... what do we (in the west) do about the problem??
Simple question, not easily answered.
Considering that almost all non-Islamic religions are able to live alongside each other reasonably well, that only leaves one sensible solution: those that choose to live in the west must accept our way of life to such an extent that their religious teaching must take second place; or they are removed back to their own Islamic country.

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When can we expect the sternly worded letter from the White House condemning the French for instigating this violence? (Failure to ban a flag maybe?)

Or perhaps an emphatic hashtag.

Sixty or so in body bags, and you're scoring partisan points?

Too soon?

How many body bags should I wait for?


I eagerly await a wave of student protests across American college campuses against this violation of safe spaces in Paris.

Yeah, Aylee. You know only the left is allowed to use tragedies to score political points. Consider yourself admonished by an expert.



Michael

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You are of course a political dumbass, not a conservative of any bent. Your saying the country of Syria, Putin, Kim Jong Il, and Obama are of equivalent political preference.

You are a nobody, with nothing but a hallucinatory rant, devoid of fact, and presume to tell the tutored members here of some great knowledge you claim to possess, but demonstrably couldn't find your own ass with two hands and a flashlight.

No, my bolshevik friend, you are nothing but a sad little nothing.

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Yes just awful and no one understands or wants to really fix the problem

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....is that these so called Muslims are not really Muslims, just desperate ideology trying to make it impact on the world before it is regulated to the trash bin of history......

read a Qur'an before you try to understand the Qur'an

And there is the root of the problem.


So.... what do we (in the west) do about the problem?? Stop making problems in the oil producing countries

FD, I really haven't got the heart right now to replay old and stale arguments for the zillionth time.

Re 'Many people 'understand' the problem. The problem is.... we all need to look in the mirror

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Words fail me. I cannot describe how horrible these senseless attacks are.

While Paris and Parisians were the targets, in a very real sense we are all targeted, not only physically not only geographically, but also our values were square in the terrorist's sights. So our best responses is to show our solidarity with France, Paris and the French and also to re-examine and re-affirm the values of liberty equality and fraternity that we all believe in.

We are all Parisians. Viva La France

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ORIGINAL: camsub2control

you get an emphatic "you're a stupid cunt" from me having read the rest of the posts here so far

In this particular case the word "cunt" might be considered an alcolade.

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This sort of thing will continue to happen until the cost to the perpetrator becomes too high.

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This is an often repeated argument just as Peon says…but this statement in itself is self condemning. Just as with the proliferation of guns in American which is the obvious cause of so much death and injury…so is the obvious proliferation of radicalism in the Muslim religion.

It does amuse me how Peon and others rant on about guns in American yet continue to deny the obvious problems in the Muslim religion. They condemn, rightly in my opinion, those that deny the problems with the killing of innocents with the careless use and availability of guns. Yet crucify those that point out the lack of responsibility of Muslims to control the radicals among them.

There have been too many arguments over the small radical part of Islam… too often so called moderate Muslims must be defended on these boards… Muslims need to defend themselves by killing the radicalism in their religion. Because if they don’t… they are guilty just as you say.

Butch

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northerngent, im not necessarily opposed to, or in disagreement with what you are directly saying, and perhaps implying, but I do have one small rejoinder that I think is worth the while.

the types of muslims who are doing what is being done aren't the types to stay in their "region"---their goal is the world and the destruction of the west.