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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/6/2015 5:30:51 PM

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What about bows and arrows? These can do some nasty damage at a distance. I mean even a 25 lb. bow can do damage. Oddly, no one ever brings these being used as weapons up.

I myself, love archery.

Anything can be a weapon.

Really captain obvious? Good to know.

I guess I was to subtle, I was agreeing with you.
However we have a couple of people on here who are oblivious to reality.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/6/2015 5:32:32 PM

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Anything can be a weapon.

Begs the question - so why have guns?

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/6/2015 5:40:40 PM

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Anything can be a weapon.

Begs the question - so why have guns?

And why get rid of them.
It would make Joe feel better if we melted them down, but it would make many of us feel worse.
What your question really says is why waste our time trying to get rid of them.
I can use my car keys as a weapon, I prefer my .45.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/6/2015 5:42:07 PM

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Anything can be a weapon.

Begs the question - so why have guns?

Because "they" have guns.

And....

https://youtu.be/ckz7EmDxhtU

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/6/2015 10:34:57 PM

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Anything can be a weapon.

Begs the question - so why have guns?

Because "they" have guns.

And....

https://youtu.be/ckz7EmDxhtU

....those 2 couldnt find their asses because their heads are too far in em! LOL

no one brings an unloaded gun to any kind of fight!

Try this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqGVU1sW8pg

Now if you are standing within arms reach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HPw65BBp10

Here is zero in knife v gun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDPlWAq-11I

so if they are in arms reach of one another its a quick draw match.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/6/2015 11:46:32 PM

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found this one

This is doug and zero compared to knuckle n head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWMzWwRkiKA

The only thing that bugs me about these is the guy has the knife in his hand whilr zero has to lift his coat out of the way then draw the weapon then aim and fire. SO the 21 foot rule only applies to an unprepared gun fighter, or someone who has to fumble around to get their weapon. or is not a fast draw.

then there is this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZHVspVIDs

draws and fires in .02 (2 one hundredths) of a second.

Brings the knife danger distance down to just a few feet.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 2:43:22 AM

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I can use my car keys as a weapon, I prefer my .45.

Why would you prefer your .45? Could it be that guns make much better weapons?

Can we finally ditch this 'Oh everything can be used as a weapon - why not cut off our fists, too?' argument? I know gunsters love it - but that doesn't stop it being possibly the most stupid I've heard (and that's up against some really stiff opposition for stupid pro-gun arguments).

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 2:59:24 AM

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I can use my car keys as a weapon, I prefer my .45.

Why would you prefer your .45? Could it be that guns make much better weapons?

Can we finally ditch this 'Oh everything can be used as a weapon - why not cut off our fists, too?' argument? I know gunsters love it - but that doesn't stop it being possibly the most stupid I've heard (and that's up against some really stiff opposition for stupid pro-gun arguments).

Actually if you are looking to kill the most and make the most impact a gun is nothing compared to what you can do with a well placed bomb. Funny how no one wants to talk about them. Of course they are already illegal so the discussion would have to go more towards why people seem to be so quick to kill and even in the gun threads no one seems to really want to address that.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 3:03:29 AM

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...why people seem to be so quick to kill and even in the gun threads no one seems to really want to address that.

Good point - though it takes us into deeper territory than people are used to re guns.

Do people have an especial fondness for killing in the USA? If so, why?

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 3:15:36 AM

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Do people have an especial fondness for killing in the USA? If so, why?

I heard Jerry Spence say one time in an interview that we are extremely violent so I would say yes but I don't know exactly why. It's only some people that have a fondness for killing but there is enough of them to fuck things up.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 3:46:28 AM

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I didnt realize anyone was stupid enough to think someone used facebook while carrying an armed attack........ As per normal it didnt take long for me to be proved wrong. My thanks to CD for again showing how creative he can be.

This happens during every IS attack. At a certain point, they call a time out, fire up the laptop, make a quick post on FB, Instagram etc and then get back to the serious business of slaughtering infidels and dying a martyr's death for Allah. We simply can't have momentary inconveniences like a firefight interfering with the important business of posting on FB, can we? To paraphrase someone or other, FB isn't just a matter of life or death, it's much more serious than that!

I find it odd that you need to have this pointed out to you. Surely the UK media has been reporting this and other relevant facts faithfully ...?

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 6:40:20 AM

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I didnt realize anyone was stupid enough to think someone used facebook while carrying an armed attack........ As per normal it didnt take long for me to be proved wrong. My thanks to CD for again showing how creative he can be.

This happens during every IS attack. At a certain point, they call a time out, fire up the laptop, make a quick post on FB, Instagram etc and then get back to the serious business of slaughtering infidels and dying a martyr's death for Allah. We simply can't have momentary inconveniences like a firefight interfering with the important business of posting on FB, can we? To paraphrase someone or other, FB isn't just a matter of life or death, it's much more serious than that!

I find it odd that you need to have this pointed out to you. Surely the UK media has been reporting this and other relevant facts faithfully ...?

Lovely attempt at sarcasm tweak...apparently, you didn't read any further than ps:

Tashfeen Malik, 27, vowed her support for the terror group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, on the site at around 11 a.m. Wednesday just as the first 911 calls were made by workers at the attacked Southern California facility.

The message, later scrubbed by Facebook for violating its code of conduct, was posted under a different name
http://nypost.com/2015/12/04/killer-wife-in-california-massacre-swore-allegiance-to-isis/

The woman who helped her husband kill 14 people at holiday party in California praised the leader of the Islamic State group in a Facebook post just minutes into the attack.
A Facebook executive told The Associated Press that Tashfeen Malik posted the material under an alias account at 11 a.m. Wednesday. That was about the time the first 911 calls came in and when the couple were believed to have stormed into the San Bernardino social service center and opened fire.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/latest-relative-shooter-bad-person-not-radical-135655071.html

The woman, Tashfeen Malik, declared allegiance to the Islamic State on Facebook at roughly the time of the shooting on Wednesday, a Facebook spokesman said. At a news conference in San Bernardino, David Bowdich, the F.B.I. assistant director in charge of the Los Angeles office, said he was aware of the post, which was taken down by Facebook on Wednesday, but he would not elaborate.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 6:57:27 AM

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What about bows and arrows? These can do some nasty damage at a distance. I mean even a 25 lb. bow can do damage. Oddly, no one ever brings these being used as weapons up.

I myself, love archery.

Anything can be a weapon.

Yes, many things can be a weapon. However, I believe JanahX may have been referring to implements whose primary use/development is as a weapon. I'm sure you would agree that the primary purpose for a bow and arrow is as a weapon. :)

of course it is.
The original purpose of the knife was the same.
When you trace back baseball bats they evolved from the club, another weapon.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 7:02:12 AM

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found this one

This is doug and zero compared to knuckle n head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWMzWwRkiKA

The only thing that bugs me about these is the guy has the knife in his hand whilr zero has to lift his coat out of the way then draw the weapon then aim and fire. SO the 21 foot rule only applies to an unprepared gun fighter, or someone who has to fumble around to get their weapon. or is not a fast draw.

then there is this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZHVspVIDs

draws and fires in .02 (2 one hundredths) of a second.

Brings the knife danger distance down to just a few feet.

The 21 foot rule is a guideline for the average person.
It mainly states that you need to be prepared if they are inside that distance.
Each of the factors you mentioned, preparedness, speed ease of acsess all affect this number.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 7:04:41 AM

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I can use my car keys as a weapon, I prefer my .45.

Why would you prefer your .45? Could it be that guns make much better weapons?

Can we finally ditch this 'Oh everything can be used as a weapon - why not cut off our fists, too?' argument? I know gunsters love it - but that doesn't stop it being possibly the most stupid I've heard (and that's up against some really stiff opposition for stupid pro-gun arguments).

Matter pf prefference, I know people who prefer knives. Every thug in my area would favor gun contol, a gun ban would give them a big edge.
If you want stupid read Joe.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 7:06:18 AM

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I can use my car keys as a weapon, I prefer my .45.

Why would you prefer your .45? Could it be that guns make much better weapons?

Can we finally ditch this 'Oh everything can be used as a weapon - why not cut off our fists, too?' argument? I know gunsters love it - but that doesn't stop it being possibly the most stupid I've heard (and that's up against some really stiff opposition for stupid pro-gun arguments).

Actually if you are looking to kill the most and make the most impact a gun is nothing compared to what you can do with a well placed bomb. Funny how no one wants to talk about them. Of course they are already illegal so the discussion would have to go more towards why people seem to be so quick to kill and even in the gun threads no one seems to really want to address that.

It is because they think people are so weak willed that they can be forced to kill by an inanimate object.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 7:09:25 AM

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The California attackers easily by-passed all the gun controls in place with flying colors.

They got them via straw purchase, already illegal.
She was a foriegn citizen ineligable.
Modifications making them illegal.
Bombs.
They didn't subvert Ca law, they violated it, apparently you don't understand the difference.

Gee, you'd think people plotting mass-murder would have a bit more respect for the law.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 7:13:49 AM

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The California attackers easily by-passed all the gun controls in place with flying colors.

They got them via straw purchase, already illegal.
She was a foriegn citizen ineligable.
Modifications making them illegal.
Bombs.
They didn't subvert Ca law, they violated it, apparently you don't understand the difference.

Gee, you'd think people plotting mass-murder would have a bit more respect for the law.

No, but to pretend that if people violate the law it somehow means that we need another law for them to violate is kind of silly don't you think?
After all he wanted us to think they found "loopholes" in the law and just gamed the system when what they did was ignore the system and broke every law that got in the way.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 7:40:07 AM

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Lovely attempt at sarcasm tweak...apparently, you didn't read any further than ps:
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The woman who helped her husband kill 14 people at holiday party in California praised the leader of the Islamic State group in a Facebook post just minutes into the attack.
A Facebook executive told The Associated Press that Tashfeen Malik posted the material under an alias account at 11 a.m. Wednesday. That was about the time the first 911 calls came in and when the couple were believed to have stormed into the San Bernardino social service center and opened fire.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/latest-relative-shooter-bad-person-not-radical-135655071.html

From your link:
"A U.S. law enforcement official confirmed that Malik pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group and the terror group’s leader on Facebook using an alias then deleted the messages before the attacks.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/latest-relative-shooter-bad-person-not-radical-135655071.html emphasis added

Are you sure you want to insist that we believe that any one, no matter how deluded or crazed they may be, would suddenly stop firing in the middle of an attack or firefight, take out a laptop to post and then delete a message on FB, and then resume shooting? That defies all sense. The FB post must have been made either before or after the shootings, not "during" as you claim.

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RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" - 12/7/2015 8:31:12 AM

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Lovely attempt at sarcasm tweak...apparently, you didn't read any further than ps:
[...]
The woman who helped her husband kill 14 people at holiday party in California praised the leader of the Islamic State group in a Facebook post just minutes into the attack.
A Facebook executive told The Associated Press that Tashfeen Malik posted the material under an alias account at 11 a.m. Wednesday. That was about the time the first 911 calls came in and when the couple were believed to have stormed into the San Bernardino social service center and opened fire.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/latest-relative-shooter-bad-person-not-radical-135655071.html

From your link:
"A U.S. law enforcement official confirmed that Malik pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group and the terror group’s leader on Facebook using an alias then deleted the messages before the attacks.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/latest-relative-shooter-bad-person-not-radical-135655071.html emphasis added

Are you sure you want to insist that we believe that any one, no matter how deluded or crazed they may be, would suddenly stop firing in the middle of an attack or firefight, take out a laptop to post and then delete a message on FB, and then resume shooting? That defies all sense. The FB post must have been made either before or after the shootings, not "during" as you claim.

Actually, my claim was "during the attack" which I meant as during the WHOLE episode, not during the shootings. I'll remember to be more specific in the future...just like you and PS.

The fact is, she did made these postings...she made them sometime shortly BEFORE the shootings. So she DID make them during...what's a better word for you and ps? Episode? Terrorism journey?

You can't deny that her postings took place...which is what you'd really like to be able to do especially now that the attack wasn't committed by a "gun nut" so you're going to quibble over phrasing...phrasing taken from the articles, even within the same article you posted your tidbit from.

From my link...which you also used:

The woman who helped her husband kill 14 people at holiday party in California praised the leader of the Islamic State group in a Facebook post just minutes into the attack.
A Facebook executive told The Associated Press that Tashfeen Malik posted the material under an alias account at 11 a.m. Wednesday. That was about the time the first 911 calls came in and when the couple were believed to have stormed into the San Bernardino social service center and opened fire.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/latest-relative-shooter-bad-person-not-radical-135655071.html

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