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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:12:55 AM

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It has happened its called Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler do you need me to name more?

No, there is no need for you to display any more ignorance of history.

1. Mussolini and Hitler came to power through popularist propaganda, much like Trump is doing now and no guns are stopping him. He didn't take over in a brutal crackdown, he was democratically elected by a nation which was utterly misled. An armed population would have just meant fewer Jewish refugees escaping.

2. Stalin came to power many years after the October Revolution through party affiliation. The party had absolute power over the Red army. Nothing really stopped a BT-7 or a KV-1 circa 1940, guns wouldn't have helped.

Once again you're listening to conservative talking points which are appealing to your fears. Take some courage, your population doesn't need to arm itself.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:20:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious

It has happened its called Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler do you need me to name more?

No, there is no need for you to display any more ignorance of history.

1. Mussolini and Hitler came to power through popularist propaganda, much like Trump is doing now and no guns are stopping him. He didn't take over in a brutal crackdown, he was democratically elected by a nation which was utterly misled. An armed population would have just meant fewer Jewish refugees escaping.

2. Stalin came to power many years after the October Revolution through party affiliation. The party had absolute power over the Red army. Nothing really stopped a BT-7 or a KV-1 circa 1940, guns wouldn't have helped.

Once again you're listening to conservative talking points which are appealing to your fears. Take some courage, your population doesn't need to arm itself.

Hitler was NOT elected, he was appointed as chancellor by Hindenburg who was not exactly electeted.. Nine parties ran in the parlamentary election so noone got the majority. He formed a coalation the price for Nazi support was the chancelorship. If you think Hitler grabbed power peacfully you need to go back and re read your history.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:22:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious

Just remember what Europe would be if gun toting Americans with our ideal for freedom hadn't come to kick Hitler's ass. You'd be sitting in what ever country your in living in tyranny without a gun. The 2nd ensures that will never happen in the states.

There are many counts that say it wasn't the Americans that saved our ass but the Russians.
This is one such account: Abroad in the Yard

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:23:59 AM

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Hitler did not ban guns, in fact he massively relaxed gun laws that were imposed on germany from ww1. The only people it didnt affect were the jews. But then, according to imbecilic armament theory, there were plenty of heinies with guns to stop what happened to the jews, but they werent interested. The holocaust would have occurred whether or not jews had guns. They would still have been slaughtered like the 2nd amenders here who are going to take up their arms against this tyrannical government. First problem you gotta solve is the police are the first line of defense, and they have you outgunned, and then it gets to be a real puke on your shoes from there.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:25:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious

It has happened its called Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler do you need me to name more?

No, there is no need for you to display any more ignorance of history.

1. Mussolini and Hitler came to power through popularist propaganda, much like Trump is doing now and no guns are stopping him. He didn't take over in a brutal crackdown, he was democratically elected by a nation which was utterly misled. An armed population would have just meant fewer Jewish refugees escaping.

2. Stalin came to power many years after the October Revolution through party affiliation. The party had absolute power over the Red army. Nothing really stopped a BT-7 or a KV-1 circa 1940, guns wouldn't have helped.

Once again you're listening to conservative talking points which are appealing to your fears. Take some courage, your population doesn't need to arm itself.

Hitler was NOT elected, he was appointed as chancellor by Hindenburg who was not exactly electeted.. Nine parties ran in the parlamentary election so noone got the majority. He formed a coalation the price for Nazi support was the chancelorship. If you think Hitler grabbed power peacfully you need to go back and re read your history.

Popularist propaganda. He grabbed power, but he did so with the will of the people.

The academics of the time, what you would now refer to as "liberals", were the ones who opposed him. They did meet violent ends. But as has been pointed out, they're the demographic least likely to use violence.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:28:34 AM

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Oh and Obama has done such a bad ass job in his two terms? All he managed to do was set back white and black relations about 60 years. The national dept has increased. He managed to give rise to Isis by pulling out of iraq. You wanna blame the recession on Republicans but oddly Texas was hardly hit by it, not even when Obama decided to produce more oil locally making Saudi drop the prices. Sure cheap gas is cool but what I bet you didn't see is how many workers oil and steel companies had to lay off or terminate due to the fact that building new fracking installations would not be cost effective. He successfully gave away billions to Saudi in that mindless act while upwards of a 100k workers lost their jobs. But hey we got cheap gas... Morons

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:30:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

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ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious

It has happened its called Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler do you need me to name more?

No, there is no need for you to display any more ignorance of history.

1. Mussolini and Hitler came to power through popularist propaganda, much like Trump is doing now and no guns are stopping him. He didn't take over in a brutal crackdown, he was democratically elected by a nation which was utterly misled. An armed population would have just meant fewer Jewish refugees escaping.

2. Stalin came to power many years after the October Revolution through party affiliation. The party had absolute power over the Red army. Nothing really stopped a BT-7 or a KV-1 circa 1940, guns wouldn't have helped.

Once again you're listening to conservative talking points which are appealing to your fears. Take some courage, your population doesn't need to arm itself.

Hitler was NOT elected, he was appointed as chancellor by Hindenburg who was not exactly electeted.. Nine parties ran in the parlamentary election so noone got the majority. He formed a coalation the price for Nazi support was the chancelorship. If you think Hitler grabbed power peacfully you need to go back and re read your history.

Popularist propaganda. He grabbed power, but he did so with the will of the people.

The academics of the time, what you would now refer to as "liberals", were the ones who opposed him. They did meet violent ends. But as has been pointed out, they're the demographic least likely to use violence.

The people least likely to fight back were the first ones to die so nobody should be able to fight back. The will of the people had nothing to do with Hitlers power grab, it was pure politics taken out of their hands.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:33:03 AM

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OK liberals here were opposed to freeing slaves while every single republican voted for it. True story... Hitler also said the same thing as you are now about guns once the guns were gone he had absolute control. I'm not so sure about the people helping him willingly they really didn't have much choice. At least that's what my German grandparents told me.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:33:31 AM

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Oh and Obama has done such a bad ass job in his two terms? All he managed to do was set back white and black relations about 60 years. The national dept has increased. He managed to give rise to Isis by pulling out of iraq. You wanna blame the recession on Republicans but oddly Texas was hardly hit by it, not even when Obama decided to produce more oil locally making Saudi drop the prices. Sure cheap gas is cool but what I bet you didn't see is how many workers oil and steel companies had to lay off or terminate due to the fact that building new fracking installations would not be cost effective. He successfully gave away billions to Saudi in that mindless act while upwards of a 100k workers lost their jobs. But hey we got cheap gas... Morons

Uh, how has he set relations back 60 years?
The debt is directly attributable to the nutsuckers, read your constitution, it is the nutsuckers in the house responsible for revenue and outlays.
Isis was due to nutsuckers inept and unwarrented war. Bush pulled out, they gave him a going away present, shoes.
Fracking is expensive in good times, when the Oil cartel started dumping oil to make it not worth the time to frack, thats what is curtailing that, the oil countries did not check with obama first.

Ignorant nutsuckers who try to rewrite actual history and facts should first of all, not be hallucinatorily cretinous, and secondly would have a better shot waiting until after people with actual brains died so they could fool the other feebleminded.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:33:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious

Oh and Obama has done such a bad ass job in his two terms? All he managed to do was set back white and black relations about 60 years. The national dept has increased. He managed to give rise to Isis by pulling out of iraq. You wanna blame the recession on Republicans but oddly Texas was hardly hit by it, not even when Obama decided to produce more oil locally making Saudi drop the prices. Sure cheap gas is cool but what I bet you didn't see is how many workers oil and steel companies had to lay off or terminate due to the fact that building new fracking installations would not be cost effective. He successfully gave away billions to Saudi in that mindless act while upwards of a 100k workers lost their jobs. But hey we got cheap gas... Morons

The recession hit after the Democrats took over BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS AND BLOCKED MOVE BUSH TRIED TO MAKE.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:38:28 AM

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Why is Obama more concerned with global warming and Muslim refugees than his own people? Could it be that he is Muslim? Is he the next Hitler inviting his personal ss to our country? Why pull out of iraq and let terrorists take over? Why the need to take Americans guns? Just food for thought...

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:41:24 AM

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looks like vomit to me. you may eat it, but nobody who is above cretin level does.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:43:31 AM

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Like I said earlier I'm an independent. I don't like either side but at the moment we really need a good conservative to counter balance all this mess Obama has created. Someone that's not in it for glory, fame and personal gain. Someone that can't be bought like Ronald Reagan. I'm voting for Trump instead of a independent unless of course Trump decides to run independent...

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:43:57 AM

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I wonder what the NRA are going to make of this...
http://gunlawscorecard.org/

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:45:09 AM

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There are no conservatives anywhere in political life, or public life, that I can see.

The mess was created by nutsuckers, and is being continued by nutsuckers. We don't need anymore nutsuckers.

Trump is a nutsuckers nutsucker.

Enjoy your vote. He wont be elected to lick the toilets at KFC.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:47:36 AM

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There are no conservatives anywhere in political life, or public life, that I can see.

The mess was created by nutsuckers, and is being continued by nutsuckers. We don't need anymore nutsuckers.

Trump is a nutsuckers nutsucker.

Enjoy your vote. He wont be elected to lick the toilets at KFC.

he wont even discuss his birther problems, except to invite sherriff joe around with him.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:54:46 AM

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Of course it looks like vomit to you.. You didn't serve your country as far as I can tell. You haven't been to war and seen with your own eyes the dark ages at times neanderthalistic mentality of those people. You call it propaganda all you want but I called it the I first heard that Muslims were mass migrating to Europe that something would go down. Sure enough not even 2 weeks later Paris and then California. My liberal friends on Facebook have since apologized and one that unfriended me has sent me a new request... If you really think this refugee thing is going to work out just fine you're sadly mistaken. I get the same tingly feeling down my spine as I did when I saw an odd object lying in the street in Kandahar. Your mind tells you its just garbage but your gut knows better that's why I'm still around.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 11:59:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious
Like I said earlier I'm an independent. I don't like either side but at the moment we really need a good conservative

There aren't any 'good' ones.

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ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious
to counter balance all this mess Obama has created.

For a lot of people outside the US, we don't see that he's made any 'mess'.

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ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious
Someone that's not in it for glory, fame and personal gain. Someone that can't be bought like Ronald Reagan.

That would just about wipe out everyone in US politics.

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ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious
I'm voting for Trump instead of a independent unless of course Trump decides to run independent...

Well.... the clown can't do any worse.
Yanno, he might just ban guns to stop people shooting each other while he's at it.

Though I dunno, 117,000 people die every year from guns alone in the US which means in less than 3 millennia the US will be empty to re-invade.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 12:07:44 PM

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So the liberal way to solve our countries problem is to invite more people to a nation without jobs, decent education and is at the brink of collapse due to the increase in poverty while giving away millions to foreign nations, pulling out of iraq leaving military equipment behind for Isis to use, creating a mass migration while china laughs its ass off because we can't manage to make our own God damn flag anymore while wondering what to do about guns and global warming? Call me stupid all you want but I doubt that's gonna work! I'm cool with gay marriage and the right to abort.. Don't need more people with that mentality running around expecting a free handout from the WORKING man...

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/18/2015 12:11:44 PM

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Just remember what Europe would be if gun toting Americans with our ideal for freedom hadn't come to kick Hitler's ass. You'd be sitting in what ever country your in living in tyranny without a gun. The 2nd ensures that will never happen in the states.

There are many counts that say it wasn't the Americans that saved our ass but the Russians.
This is one such account: Abroad in the Yard

That is popular among leftist academics.
The Russians did a lot.
The Western front however had far more troops and equipment from the U S than any other country.
It is possible that the west wouldn't have won, more likely that it would have taken years longer. Although the bombs would have been used on Germany instead of Japan.
There is very little chance that the Russians would have won without the west.

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