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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/19/2016 6:52:42 AM

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I am neutral but believe that the comments you make are those of a rather ill educated fellow. It is rare for you to say anything constructive and meaningful on the message boards. You like to go with the crowd and insult people. You have a rather limited vocabulary that is prone to blasphemy and obscenities. You mock the fact the fellow states that he has duel nationality. Where is your proof that he does not? He does not sound Irish but may well have Irish ancestors. He may be a Welshman but I may be very wrong in the presumption. If you do not like reading his posts some of which are strange, then just put the fellow on ignore. We all have a laugh here at times at ourselves and each other. We should not pick on people to placate our own failings and weaknesses. I had spoken my mind mister Dvr. He is the one to really respond yet I have noticed in seldom retaliates in a vindictive way. Like a Leopard what I say will not change your spots. You Sir are far to arrogant and self delusional to do so.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/19/2016 6:57:14 AM

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In other words, hypocrisy isn't taught in seminary, either.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/19/2016 7:37:30 AM

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Hypocrisy Madam is quite commonplace. We are all guilty of being hypocrites at times. Perhaps, we should take a step back and reflect upon our own selves before we pontificate our often flawed perspectives upon others? A Seminary is a closeted institution where Men are indoctrinated into the practice of exercising a degree of power and influence over others and local communities. They learn the practice of priesthood and theology. It is much like a military officers academy but on a smaller and more relaxed scale. The emphasis being upon self discipline and obedience to higher authority and the narrow confines of what is called religious doctrine. The vocation is not well paid and does require personal sacrifice. The social status of the clergy far outstrips their true worth and community standing. Poor men who live a life free from debt and above their true true position in the Socio-economic class sense that is controlled and rigorously enforced by the higher clergy and the lay Administration with their business acumen, human resource skills, accounting and office management expertise.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/19/2016 7:39:57 AM

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Dude, you wouldn't know anything about dedicating one's life to anything but yourself.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/19/2016 7:43:57 AM

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I do beg your pardon! I see now why you are the subject matter of these treads along with others. You are obviously a woman with her own problems that feels the need to attack and make fun of others?In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti amen.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/19/2016 7:48:19 AM

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Yep. I'm like that. If somebody is going to create all of the sock puppets, I've got no problem laughing at them.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/19/2016 7:54:31 AM

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So who was at fault then you for being a complete Bitch are he for being a complete Bastard? Never marry until you are absolutely sure you are both suited in every way. It is a sacred partnership not a short term contract. Marriage is also not just about sex but many orther necessary and fulfilling things.

Yes Dear

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/19/2016 7:58:09 AM

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Memoriam vestri faciens in orationibus meis quotidianis et filia. Sit Dominus vobiscum vellet angelorum auxilio. Et quia ab infantia a daemonio opus tuum absque servitute satanae .Deus inquit misereatur tui fili mi quia maxime feminarum viliores qc. dominum deum se in via veritatis et lumen. Ad lucem aegraque puer

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/19/2016 8:04:55 AM

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And, I'll pray for you, Kevin, that you may find fewer reasons in life to create alternate personalities on the internet.

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The best light Infantry in Africa - 1/19/2016 8:25:53 AM

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Ndwandwe–Zulu War

The Zulu Civil War or Ndwandwe–Zulu War of 1817–1819 was a war fought between the expanding Zulu Kingdom and the Ndwandwe tribe in South Africa.

The Zulus were originally a close-knit ethnic group community that had migrated to the eastern plateau of present-day South Africa; they became a strong tribal nation largely due to the efforts of an ambitious chieftain named Shaka (reigned c. 1787–1828). A rebellious young man, Shaka was estranged from his father, who was a Zulu chief named Senzangakhona, and became a warrior with the Mthethwa people. The Mthethwa paramount chieftain Dingiswayo helped Shaka become recognized as head of the Zulus after Senzangakhona died in 1816. The two chieftains were close friends, and their warriors fought together against common enemies, such as the Ndwandwe headed by King Zwide. After Dingiswayo was captured and executed by Zwide, the Mthethwa people placed themselves under Shaka and took the Zulu name. Shaka revolutionized traditional ways of fighting by introducing the assegai, a short stabbing spear, as a weapon and by organizing warriors into disciplined units that fought in close formation behind large cowhide shields. In the Battle of Gqokli Hill in 1817, his troops and tactics prevailed over the superior numbers of the Ndwandwe people, who failed to destroy the Zulus in their first encounter.

The Ndwandwe and the Zulus met again in combat at the Battle of Mhlatuze River in 1819. By this time the Ndwandwe had adopted Zulu battle tactics and weapons so Shaka wore the invaders down with guerrilla tactics before launching his major attack when the Ndwandwe army was divided during the crossing of the Mhlatuze River.[1] Zulu warriors arrived at Zwide's headquarters near present-day Nongoma before news of the defeat, and approached the camp singing Ndwandwe victory songs to gain entry. Zwide was killed, and most of the Ndwandwe abandoned their lands and migrated north establishing Zulu-like (named Ngoni after the ethno-linguistic name "Nguni") kingdoms in Zambia, Malawi, Mozambique and Tanzania. This was the final phase of the Mfecane, a catastrophic, bloody civil war and eventual migration of many different tribes in the area, initially (ca. 1802) caused by famine but ultimately as a result of escaping from the Zulus.[2] The Ngoni groups caused their own havoc by using Zulu tactics in war. They established stronger political units in other countries and thus posed a threat to European colonisation, for example during the Maji-Maji Rebellion in German East Africa (1905-7).[3] Shaka was the ultimate victor, and his people still live today throughout Zululand, with customs and a way of life that can be easily traced to Shaka's day.

RORKE’S DRIFT 22-23 JANUARY 1879
The camp at Rorke’s Drift (sometimes spelt Rourk’s Drift or Rorks Drift) was a re-supply depot and included a hospital and store. Prior to the Zulu battle both hospital and store had been fortified as well as the rectangular area adjoining the two buildings. At about 4.30pm on 22 January 1879 this camp garrisoned by 139 British soldiers, of whom 36 were sick or wounded, was attacked by 4 500 Zulu warriors. The battle that took place was to last for eleven and a half hours before the Zulus were repulsed.

Eleven Victoria Crosses were awarded for valour and four Distinguished Conduct Medals were awarded for leadership.

ISANDLWANA BATTLE 22 JANUARY 1879
On the 22nd January 1879, Lt. Colonel Pulleine was in command of 1774 British troops encamped on the eastern slope of Isandlwana. By 10am Pulleine had received a dispatch from Lt. Gen. Lord Chelmsford to break camp and move the entire contingent to Chelmsford’s location 13 miles southeast of Isandlwana mountain. Tents were being struck, oxen hitched to wagons.

At 12 o’clock the camp was attacked by 24-25 000 Zulu warriors, using the tactics of the horns of the buffalo. The Zulus totally surrounded the camp annihilating 1 329 British soldiers.

Lt. Melvill gallantly attempted to save the Queen’s colour and was helped by Lt. Coghill whilst trying to cross the Buffalo river. Lt's. Melvill and Coghill died in their attempt to save the colour and the honour of the regiment.

Thou great and mighty chief!
Thou who has an army
The red soldiers came:
We destroyed them.
The mounted soldiers came:
We destroyed them.
The mounted police came:
We destroyed them
When will they dare
To repeat their attack?
Zulu Victory Song, sung after the Battle of Isandlwana

THE BATTLE OF HLOBANE, 28TH MARCH, 1879
Hlobane is a flat-topped mountain 80 kms North of Isandlwana. Here on the 28th March, 600 mounted men attempted to dislodge upwards of 6,000 ABA Qulusi warriors and capture their cattle. This was to prove the 2nd worst disaster of The Anglo Zulu War. It is a full day tour and requires a minimum of 6 people.

Other Zulu War battlefield sites near Isandlwana Lodge are:

THE BATTLE OF KAMBULA, 29TH MARCH, 1879
Just after one o’clock on the 29th March, the victorious Zulu Army that had defeated the British Force at Isandlwana, mounted an all out assault on Colonel Evelyn Woods fortified camp at Kambula. This was to be the turning point in the war. Although on three occasions the 20,000 Zulu Force were to get close to breaking the British defensive position they were finally driven off and suffered enormous casualties.

PRINCE IMPERIAL MONUMENT
Visit the place were Prince Louis Napoleon, only son of Napoleon III and Empress Eugenie and an aide de camp on Lord Chelmsord’s staff, were killed in an ambush on 1 June, 1879, while on a reconnaissance mission.

THE BATTLE OF ULUNDI, 4TH JULY, 1879
This was the final battle, bringing about the capture and imprisonment of King Cetshwayo, the resignation of Lord Chelmsford and destruction of the Zulu Empire by Sir Garnett Wolsley and the beginning of the Civil War that ended in 1906.
The museum at Ulundi houses many Zulu artifacts, exquisite beadwork and the Bible Queen Victoria gave to King Cetshwayo.

Popular Myths

As with any historical subject as emotive as the Defence of Rorke's Drift, it is inevitable that myths will spring up, either as the result of a desire to hide the truth, or simply as a mis-representation of what actually happened. Rorke's Drift has suffered from this over the past, in both favourable and unfavourable ways. 'Zulu', the 1964 film starring Sir Stanley Baker as Chard and Sir Michael Caine as Bromhead, propagated and in some cases orignated many of these myths - although it goes without saying that the film does not suffer as a result!

In a time where films such as U-571 rewrite history (it was, in fact, the British who captured the Enigma), it is important to remember that in many cases, scripts are re-written and created from scratch to suit the audience of the day. The real history comes from source material that can be verified, and it is only such material that can be used to form opinions and generate references.

Below you will see a number of popular myths, with various people's comments.

The Defence of Rorke's Drift
Image supplied by John Young

Men of Harlech

Did the men at Rorke's Drift break into a stirring rendition of 'Men of Harlech' to counter the Zulu chants? Well, not quite. Ian Knight, renowned historian of the period has this to say:

"We've all seen the marvellous movie, where the heroic Welsh garrison at Rorke's Drift match the awesome Zulu war-chants with a stirring rendition of Men of Harlech. Come on Ivor, sing something they know …

Well, it wasn't quite like that. In fact, the county designation of the 24th Regiment in 1879 was the 2nd Warwickshires; they didn't change their title to the South Wales Borderers until 1st July 1881 - almost exactly two years after the war had ended. True, the Regimental Depot had been established at Brecon, in South Wales, in 1873, and from that point there was a small but significant increase in Welsh recruits in the ranks. In fact, however, recruits for the regiment - like every other battalion in the British army - were signed on at recruiting depots across the country, and the 24th consisted of men from England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. The most that can be said is that the Welsh connection had, by 1879, led to a rather higher proportion of Welshman in the ranks than was common elsewhere. Nevertheless, even the most optimistic search of the regimental roll can find only 19 men of B Company, 2/24th, with any sort of Welsh connection - out of a total strength of more than 80. Of course, there were detachments of numerous other units - including Colonial Volunteers - present at the battle, making a total garrison of about 145. So the Welsh contingent comprised no more than 15% of the total.

And no-one, I'm sorry to say, sang Men of Harlech; the regimental march in 1879 was The Warwickshire Lads."

There have been some accounts (primarily David Charles of Fugitive's Drift) where it was said that 'Men of Harlech' was sung as the men of the 3rd column crossed the river at Rorke's Drift on the their way into Zululand, however this has not been verified, and as Ian quite rightly points out, as far as history is concerned, the artistic license used in the film Zulu is purely speculation.

Having said all that of course, it still makes excellent viewing in the context of the film Zulu, and in recognition of this fact, we have put a version of the song on this site:

View the song lyrics...

Listen to the Royal Regiment of Wales' Band singing "Men of Harlech" on the 120th anniversary of the battle of Rorke's Drift (2.68MB) This was recorded in the church at Rorke's Drift and if you listen carefully, you can hear the emotion that this rendition evoked.

Note: You will need an MP3 player to hear this file.

Welshmen at Rorke's Drift

Once again, the film 'Zulu' makes a point of suggesting that the 24th Regiment, and in particular 'B' Company, was mainly Welsh. In fact, the Welsh constituted only 11% of the 24th. Regt. at Rorke's Drift. Although the regiment was then based in Brecon in South Wales and called the 24th. Regiment of Foot (later to be the South Wales Borderers), it was formerly the Warwickshire Regiment. Many of the defenders had never been to Brecon.

Of the 24th Regt. at the defence, the numbers (Source: 'The Noble 24th. by Norman Holme), 49 were English, 18 Monmouthshire,16 Irish, 1 Scottish, 14 Welsh and 21 of unknown nationality. 'This is a Welsh regiment, although there are some foreigners in it mind'.

Martini-Henry's in use by the Zulus at Rorke's Drift

It is a commonly held belief that after the Battle of Isandhlwana, the Zulu's removed the Martini-Henry rifles from the bodies of the dead British soldiers and took them to Rorke's Drift. It was here, they say, that the Zulus used the British Army's own rifle against it's own men. Again, the primary source for this myth is the film 'Zulu'.

This, put simply, could not have happened as it was impossible for the Zulu regiments attacking Rorke's Drift to have used Martini-Henrys for the simple reason that they had formed the reserve at Isandlwana; they did not take part in the attack, and certainly did not have time to loot any rifles there before advancing on Rorke's Drift.

Of this, Ian Knight suggests:

"In fact, powerful though the image of a 'warrior nation' armed only with spears is, the truth - as usual - was far more complex. The Zulu army was already in possession of many thousands of firearms before the Anglo-Zulu War began. These had been obtained from white traders. Most were weapons which were 20 or 30 years old - long since obsolete in European armies - and they were often in poor repair.

If, indeed, the Zulus at Rorke's Drift had possessed Martini-Henrys, they would have caused far more damage to the British garrison, as these weapons were much more powerful and accurate than the weapons they actually had."

The sheer chronology and geography would have made it impossible for the weapons from Isandhlwana to be used at Rorke's Drift, however there is evidence supporting the fact that these weapons were used at Khambula (29th March 1879) against the British by the Zulus.

The Zulu salute the brave men of Rorke's Drift

What a fantastic end to the film 'Zulu' this is, and it seems to seal the movie into that hallowed vault of 'Movie Classics'. But did it happen? No, it didn't. The truth about this noble gesture was that both side, both the Zulus and the British were so battle-weary after a long night of bloody, hand to hand combat, that when the Zulus saw Lord Chelmsford's column coming along the route from Isandhlwana the next day, they retreated from the post.

It is also true to say that the post could not have held out much longer, as ammunition was running dangerously low and the strength of the men had been severely sapped. Had relief not arrived that morning of the 23rd, it is arguable whether the story would have ended as it did.

"It is true that the opening battles of the war - Isandlwana, Rorke's Drift and Nyezane - did give both the British and Zulu a new-found respect for each other's fighting capabilities. But the aftermath of Rorke's Drift was a good deal less romantic. When the battle was over, the garrison and relief column went over the field, and shot or bayoneted all the wounded Zulu they found there."
Ian Knight

http://lyricstranslate.com/en/impi-war.html#ixzz3xhz0kqmo

Impi

Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
All Along The River Chelmsford's Army Lay Asleep
Come To Crush The Children Of Mageba
Come To Exact The Realm's Price For Peace
And In The Morning As They Saddled Up To Ride
Their Eyes Shone With The Fire And The Steel
The General Told Them Of The Task That Lay Ahead
To Bring The People Of The Sky To Heel
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi
Mud And Sweat On Polished Leather
Warm Rain Seeping To The Bone
They Rode Through The Season's Wet Weather
Straining For A Glimpse Of The Foe
Hopeless Battalion Destined To Die
Broken By The Benders Of Kings
Vainglorious General And Victorian Pride
Would Cost Him And 800 Men Their Lives
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
They Came To The Side Of The Mountain
Scouts Rode Out To Spy The Land
Even As The Realm's Soldiers Lay Resting
Mageba's Forces Were At Hand
And By The Evening The Vultures Were Wheeling
Above The Ruins Where The Fallen Lay
An Ancient Song As Old As The Ashes
Echoed As Mageba's Warriors Marched Away
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?
Impi! Wo 'Nans' Impi Iyeza
Obani Bengathinta Amabhubesi?

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War

War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
All Along The River Chelmsford's Army Lay Asleep
Come To Crush The Children Of Mageba
Come To Exact The Realm's Price For Peace
And In The Morning As They Saddled Up To Ride
Their Eyes Shone With The Fire And The Steel
The General Told Them Of The Task That Lay Ahead
To Bring The People Of The Sky To Heel
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
Mud And Sweat On Polished Leather
Warm Rain Seeping To The Bone
They Rode Through The Season's Wet Weather
Straining For A Glimpse Of The Foe
Hopeless Battalion Destined To Die
Broken By The Benders Of Kings
Vainglorious General And Victorian Pride
Would Cost Him And 800 Men Their Lives
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
They Came To The Side Of The Mountain
Scouts Rode Out To Spy The Land
Even As The Realm's Soldiers Lay Resting
Mageba's Forces Were At Hand
And By The Evening The Vultures Were Wheeling
Above The Ruins Where The Fallen Lay
An Ancient Song As Old As The Ashes
Echoed As Mageba's Warriors Marched Away
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?

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We won our struggle against th Dutch Racists! - 1/19/2016 8:34:53 AM

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Xhosa and Zulu English
Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika
Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwayo
Yiva imithandazo yethu
Nkosi Sikelela Nkosi Sikelela

Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika
Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwayo
Yizwa imithandazo yethu
Nkosi Sikelela
Thina lusapho lwayo.

Chorus

Yihla moya, yihla moya
Yihla moya oyingcwele
Nkosi Sikelela
Thina lusapho lwayo.

(Repeat) Lord, bless Africa
May her spirit rise high up
Hear thou our prayers
Lord bless us, Lord bless us.

Lord, bless Africa
May her spirit rise high up
Hear thou our prayers
Lord bless us
Your family.

Chorus

Descend, O Spirit
Descend, O Holy Spirit
Lord bless us
Your family.

(Repeat)

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RE: We won our struggle against the Dutch Racists! - 1/20/2016 5:55:58 AM

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What I write here many malevolent personalities will call mumbo jumbo. That is a term concocted by the former Bwana, white colonial rulers of my beloved country, South Africa. We served two masters, one the British were firm yet fair, and they governed well. The other, the Dutch Afrikaner were racist genocidists and blatant segregationists, just like the religious bigots of the USA southern states. Now we rule ourselves despite some blatantly corrupt opportunist politicians often repeating the Afrikaner methods.
This will fall upon deaf ears and the three wise monkeys will be joined by the three mischievous monkeys. I fully realize that my appeal will be vilified by antagonists and that the Moderators will do absolutely nothing whatsoever in the form of censure to the perpetrators. Most probably the messenger relaying the true facts will be victimized and penalized and the perpetrators be permitted to continue their vile rhetoric. This has happened before when the website owners placed out advertisements for moderators and the advertisements made it clear that fairness and impartiality were necessary. They hired a number of individuals who collectively conspired to cause multiple problems for the forums and the website. They were partisan and never moderated the forums in any fair and impartial manner. If a person disagreed with something the moderators supported are believed then that person was barred permanently from the message boards. That was contrary to the websites policies but the moderators concerned breached website protocols frequently.No warning, no appeal. Also they found that their account could not be accessed by others and at times even themselves. Many complained to the management who did nothing for several years until they realized that certain people were actually contributing to the websites ill reputation and profit loss. They then took action. The criminal element within collarspace was removed from office. They were replaced by new moderators. These new ones are fairer but also often very ineffective. They fail to realize that the self same group of malevolent individuals who include the former moderators and employees are the self same ones who frequently click onto the report button and complain about mostly innocent threads. These same malevolent individuals conspire daily to cause trouble in the forums. The accuse many of being trolls and sock puppets, few they accuse actually are such. Any sock puppets that exist do so because of the behaviour of those malevolent individuals. In order to try to justify their otherwise suspect behaviour they use terms like troll and sock to justify the vile and obnoxious comment attacks upon people.
The TOS are guidelines relating to online user conduct. They are written legalize that cannot really be enforced. Owners, employees, moderators, and members regularly ignore the TOS but only a minority are penalized for doing so and this signifies selected victimization of certain individuals and the majority are permitted to continue with the bullying, intimidation and victimization without censure.
These forums are visited 24/7/365 by people from around the world. They each come from different cultures that exhibit different attitudes and toleration levels to anyone who does not think and act likes them. The reality is we are all from diverse backgrounds. We have been shaped by our environment. One man’s meat is another man’s poison. We are never all going to agree with all topics on the forums but we must each respect other people’s perspectives even if they are blatantly wrong. We, ourselves, can be wrong at times and therefore should comprehend that being wrong is a human trait failing. Some of us are good at certain things and bad at others. Nobody excels at everything. Many are intolerant of spelling, punctuation and grammar mistakes, but may themselves be inadequate when it comes to Arithmetic alone mathematics. How quick we all are to condemn others for failings we may share. None of us are perfect because like infinity perfection cannot be attained, we can only aspire to attain. Politics and Religion conspire to divide people so we are easier to control and manipulate. We are lied to daily but it is dressed as truth but has no foundation and cannot stand up to inquisitive scrutiny. There are several competing sets of malevolent troublemakers frequenting these boards. They loathe each other and they each create multiple sock puppets to mock each other and annoy innocent thread starters. They think that they alone are the only ones entitled to use the forums as a private message exchange and they do not tolerate anyone they see as being another interloper. They each claim one person alone is responsible for all the trolls and socks. To use a British Expression, ‘I should Cocoa’ are ‘It’s just not Cricket’. I doubt if anyone has the time to create thousands of such cyber entities it is frankly far too much trouble. Several rival sets of troublemakers sure have the time and indeed, are actively engaged in doing so as you read these very words. If you were to waste time and remain awake and observe these boards you would witness that many appear never to be offline are even sleep much. They are constantly writing to their online friends and allies and also constantly attacking their online enemies and many new to the forum threads starters. They are always vile in their comments.
Moderators wakey, wakey, rise and shine. Do your jobs it’s what you volunteered for. Watch out for the serial reporter complaining about people without real foundation. Members report anyone who aimlessly attacks someone’s thread when the thread starter has not been rude are aggressive. If you do nothing then the message boards will deteriorate to a level of the kindergarten and not be worth entering. So report any and every vile comment and attack against a person who is a not being rude and obnoxious and they can be moderated and the boards will benefit. Do not let the malevolent few make malicious reports and go without challenge. I have sown the seeds and await the harvest. I have sown the wind and await the whirlwind. Moderator if you read this take heed of it and act rationally and fairly. See who the serial reporters are and ignore them unless they can justify their complaint.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/20/2016 6:46:50 AM

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The Bible according to the Revered Padre Pedro and Missis Jesus AKA new red queen.

What does one do when they are the keeper of information behind cover-ups and the attempt for some, to cover their tail end? Well, if that informed person is me, the former M3, they keep it confidential and only those trusted or that need to know will know. However, there is another side to me and some of you know that side; some of you will get to know it.

Pull up a chair and have a read if you’re interested. You might copy and paste this to guarantee you can read it as I am sure this will be removed rather quickly. Though one should consider that I have been slandered and can prove it. I should have some recourse to defend myself. If not provided it, I may be forced to assure it.

I’m told that I have a new name. That’s okay, I have heard it before. Red Queen is as good as any other as my ego isn’t wrapped up in a title, name or persona, good or bad. I have by my own choice been known as Lockit, Rawni, VideoAdminTheta and Moderator3. My real name is Donna H. and I cannot provide the last name per TOS, though some of you know it. I live in Kansas City, MO. My old phone number will do you no good as I can no longer afford a cell phone. (messagevonnie aka me)

I have had numerous lies to contend with and I typically just shrug, possibly laugh and move on. However some of my friends aren’t as likely to do that because they are protective of me. I do have witness to all that I will share with you and for those that don’t know me so well; I always have proof of some sort that will at least confirm most of what I say.

I keep records for years, through one computer to another. I have lost or deleted more than I have kept, but I do have enough to show that I am telling the truth and some that could interest any legal party that needed information. What I have kept was to protect myself and other parties. I wouldn’t advise trying to hack my computer… you might get a very big surprise on who is on the other end. Let’s just say that I have reached out for assistance.

Once upon a time I went to the hospital for a kidney stone and was medicated there that night. The next day, since the stone was causing me far less pain, I was at home and was able to deal with it though pain was wearing me down. My daughter that night went to the pharmacy just before it closed, to get me pain medication that was prescribed.

On that day while medication free, I went in as Lockit and posted, outing myself as VideoAdminTheta and I quit. While I did it, I was speaking to a witness on the phone and he said I wouldn’t do it. I said; it was done. He knew what condition I was in. Sound of mind but not in body. I also spoke to other staff that said they loved my post and were very happy I had done it. One would be VideoAdminChi who now accuses me of being mentally or emotionally unstable, along with other parties that are covering their own tail end or activities.

I was not medicated at the time, as you were told. I had had nothing in my system for well over sixteen hours.

Why did I do it? Well, there were a few that were lying about staff. They had been for some time. They would start or keep mod bashing threads going with their lies and of course when the thread began to die down, they would stir it up again. At that time there were five to seven mod bashing threads. There was also a takeover attempt between staff volunteers that had been ongoing for about a year. This was one of the reasons for the mod bashing threads and the number of them.

I took a hit for the team so to speak and outed myself, letting these people know that I knew the truth, I could possibly prove the truth and that they might consider chilling out. They did; until now.

I went away, didn’t tell any secrets other than a couple conversations with people I believed would not speak about it publically and with legal counsel. I have not been viewing or taking part on this site since I left as M3. Some of you decided since the coast was clear and in your righteous indication or ego, thought you could benefit yourselves in some manner whether you spoke the truth in some part or complete lies, started talking.

Shall we let others decide?

Oh, you may be well-liked, but some will remember things and some will be able to find what I didn’t remove from the forum and more that is still there, only hidden. It is all in a data base or I just may have it, in case you decide to defend your honor and take me to court.

I will not tell the whole story as I have work to do today, but just a bit for any taste buds you might have of the drama kind. I am not alone in what I know, but for the moment, I am the only one here. I may have company later if I cannot talk them out of it. I hope this post will suffice.

I have never been a patient in a mental health facility for a mental or emotional problem. I have never had treatment or took medication for a mental or emotional issue and have never abused pain medication. To be honest, in the 70’s I did experiment a bit, but I was a teenager and didn’t continue the activity. I have never had a depressive disorder or any other mental or emotional condition that some would take medication for. The only medication I take currently is Ibuprofen and it has been that way for nearly ten years.

If you dispute that publicly, you better have proof, which I know you cannot have. Your personal opinion may be that I am crazy and that is fine, but that is not a medical foundation, for which I have records, proving otherwise. Can my accusers state and prove the same?

Oh, the drama of this place. It has gone on for years and for about as long as the doors have been open under any name. I was once called the site historian and my data bank is just fine. I know the players, I know where the bodies are buried and who buried them and some really don’t want me talking. That is why there wasn’t a mod bashing thread for some time.

The power struggles between some staff was disgusting. I tend to walk away when things get like that. I have no interest in playing a part of any of it. I will make a stand for what I believe in and will decide for myself, not what I am told, who seems to be doing right or wrong. There was not one takeover attempt, but a few from power or money hungry people and some that were ongoing. I was involved in one in trying to preserve those that were actually trying to do the right thing and were less likely to favor friends. There were few truly innocent involved. I will always care for and respect those fantastic staff volunteers that didn’t take part and were truly innocent.

I stand by everything I say here and if legal question is brought up, the proof of a great deal of it can be found in the backup system that keeps safe most every post that has ever been on this forum. Except for those lost in technical difficulties or that were actually deleted by staff, that should never have taken place. Anyone deleting anything from this site is destroying site property and there could be legal ramifications if the right party had decided to take action. You can thank him for not taking it.

I also have some information/proof that I may later explain. No record on my part of what people were doing was kept other than what I needed to protect the innocent or prove any criminal activity. Every web site must have the ability to know what is going on, on the site. When the last Support and I were here this last round, that ability was never abused. I never had any power to see anything much before I was M3.

We didn’t care what Sally said to James and what they were doing unless a report came in that Sally or James were accused of something very serious or we were asked by a member to get involved in something they were a part of and needed assistance with.

I was asked to come back to the site and take over the forums when the staff needed to be replaced. No one said why for a number of reasons. It wouldn’t be shared now if they hadn’t gotten so dramatic to say the least. By the way, thank you for my new name.

They actually should have known what they were up to and if they said they didn’t know, perhaps they were not as truthful as they could have been. Perhaps they were not aware of what they were involved in by way of another staff member or doing for some reason due to ignorance or self-preservation. Believe me when I say, some of you had no idea what some had planned for you. Fall guy is the least of it.

There are some members here that were never on staff that have various proof in part of why I was needed to run the forum. When a site nearly gets sued or has the potential to be, not once, but at least twice because of what staff is doing, someone gets released from their volunteer position and rightfully so. Please, keep your protest to yourselves for your own sakes unless you have proof and I will tell you now that proof covering any protest is out there. The legal team was involved with this.

I no longer have anything to do with this site, the owner or any staff member. I do not have any affiliation, commitment or requirement of any sort and do not represent this web site. However, I am a bit of a historian and will only respond to a legal requirement or request that I provide any proof I have on any matter unless I volunteer it. I will also keep the screen shots I have of possible criminal activity safe as they always have been. The site was not a part of any activity of a criminal nature. Only site users.

I speak on my own behalf, will and decision, what would have continued to be private if a friend had not been up in arms about the slander about me, upset for me and committed to defending me and the site. I felt it best to speak for myself.

Great morning wakeup call by the way! Before my coffee, that wasn’t nice! LOL… I know the heart and thank you.

A long time ago, there was a break up between a dominant and a submissive. It got very dramatic and played out on the forum/site in some part. Each person involved was harassing the other and using the forum/site to do so. You won’t find the proof of that other than from the data base, because staff at the time decided to protect their favorite party in the drama and deleted one party’s involvement. They didn’t simply make it invisible to guest, they deleted it.

One of the first things I did as Moderator3 was to assure that that could never happen again. That meant I couldn’t do it either! LOL I had no need to, but many before me did. In fact, three of more than a handful, got released for it. Oh there were a number of other reasons, but I will go with that for now.
There was a fourth moderator, not as trained and rarely working, but I tried to keep her on staff. She suspected who I was and at one time I cared for her very much, but I was asked not to tell too many who I was considering the drama that was playing out.

However, I did need to test her to see if she was supporting the site or the staff that were released. She failed that test. What was the test? I asked her the names of the people involved in this dramatic break up. She said she couldn’t remember. She had been told to delete all evidence that could have been needed in a legal case between the two parties, both creating drama on the site. Humorously they kept one parties evidence and in my opinion, to assure that only one could be proven to be doing anything harmful to the other.

I tried to give this mod the benefit of doubt, but could not leave anyone in position that would be a risk for the site or anyone on it, whether that risk was further drama or anything more serious.

Any person I banned was for good cause. I even brought people in and tried to work with them when other staff had banned them in a way I felt was unfair. Socks or known people using socks to disrupt or carry on with the drama were taken out. Some of them had hundreds of sock accounts that I had to deal with every single day for around a year. Support was doing the same.

Getting back to the moderator released after I took over…Who might I ask could forget the well-known parties involved? Especially when the staff volunteer spent many hours, personally deleting what could have been used as evidence in a court of law. I do not know if the member asked them to do this or if they took it upon themselves to do so.

Documentation was taken from this site to protect one party. It was deleted, removed, and as far as they knew gone forever. They had protected their friend. Now, don’t go getting your panties in a wad thinking that was the only reason and you were on staff and weren’t involved and then released. There were other things. However, because I don’t need to repeat those things at this time and have no desire to write the story of CM or CS, I won’t go into all of that. You ought to be glad about that. Temper your anger because as some of you know, I think legally and wouldn’t say anything I couldn’t prove to protect myself, the site or other parties that shouldn’t be made subject to the drama.

Now some new juicy bits. There is someone here that claims they did the right thing. This person is very vocal about all this, however, the real story isn’t being presented. When I came in as M3, a certain person’s profile was hidden. I offered to find out anything I could to assist him because he posted about it. Blacklisting was not allowed and when you do it, you are subject to ramifications which can include a hidden profile.

This person wanted me to assist him. However, when I went to investigate, I found something far more important and very serious. Something being hidden from the spouse and surely nothing anyone would admit to. No report was made to Support until I made it and then this person was banned and wasn’t released until someone released all bans after I left.

Now, now, before you get all up in arms dear pervert, I did keep screen shots of that one, for legal agencies. Step very carefully. I am upset that you weren’t held accountable. I wasn’t in charge of reporting these things to authorities. It wasn’t part of my job. I reported to the people I was supposed to report to and after that would have no knowledge of what happened unless I saw something on site that was visible to me without seeking it out.

To be clear, I saved that information because I thought I would have to provide what I personally found and was witness to. I cannot lose that picture in my mind. I had to go throw up. It changed me and it still sickens me. She is forever in my mind.

A great deal of our work was undone. That includes various types of work and keeping the site and members protected in our informed opinion. We were not fired and chose to leave because we could no longer believe in what we were doing. I loved the site. I loved the owner as a friend, some people on site and I did my best to protect it and users of the site. That is all I have to say on that.
I will state that my reputation has been nearly destroyed because I tried to do the right thing when many were doing the wrong thing in various ways and for numerous reasons. I can never take part in any event or seek a partner on any lifestyle site. I even lost money over it. Money I desperately needed. I will never be well and working isn’t an option unless I can do it from home. Even the doctors don’t know what to do with me, so disability is out too. At least until I can afford a good doctor.

I have repeatedly taken the hit and moved on. I will no longer do that. If you intend to slander me, I am told by legal counsel that I have enough merit to bring a case against certain parties. (A friend paid for that.) I chose not to do that, but I can very easily change my mind. I have far more time in which to focus on a legal case that is now mine rather than someone else’s.

I witnessed a number of things on this site and know far too much. I have moved on because I will not be a part of the things I have seen here by members and some staff. A number of you are very naughty. Site users into animal play… children and all sorts of despicable things. We were cleaning it all up and did anything within our power to do so.

Who is we? Support and me. We worked night and day and what you all don’t see could shock you. It isn’t anything that isn’t going on at many web sites, but I was not a part of those sites. Many that I trained or started to train were stunned and they knew very little compared to those with more power.

I have tried to keep as much of this private as I could, but my hand was pushed and a response has been needed. I hate drama and despise the fact that I must respond because some have involved me. Give special thought to your next moves because I will not be forgiving and silent. I am done if you are.

I worked here because I believed someone needed to do the job without preference or abuse and the one that ran Support was here for the same reason. You didn’t know who he was because he didn’t need recognition. We never wanted the limelight, the positions or the job, but finding people ethical to do the job was nearly impossible at that point. Rather than to see the drama continue, we committed to trying to right many things… a job bigger than the two of us.

I will carry love and concern with me for many of you, the owner who is very ill and has been for some time which was often used by people that took advantage of that. I carry concern for the site… but I want this chapter of my life to be ended. I won’t be happy if it is continued and I need to end it myself, but I will not shy away from the matter.

Blessings to you all, I will never forget you

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/20/2016 12:35:34 PM

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Any person I banned was for good cause.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4828249

Agree. Clearly this is so.

As an example, in this instance the TOS against pissing off Moderator 3 and 10 (somebody tell me he is not the "Gorean Moderator") is invoked for good cause and resulted in a justified permanent ban.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/20/2016 1:48:10 PM

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The peewit is such an atrocious speller, he quite possibly spelled 'seminary' wrong and it should have been 'semenary', which is where he learned to be such a total wanker. It would also point up the old belief that too much masturbating can turn one into an idiot.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/20/2016 2:33:46 PM

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Not you ill educated excuse for a male Australian, he spelt it right. You bigoted clown only a fool would believe anything you say. He can probably spell. better than you also.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/20/2016 2:40:59 PM

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No you ill educated excuse for a male Australian, he spelt it right. You bigoted clown only a fool would believe anything you say. He can probably spell. better than you also.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/20/2016 3:47:58 PM

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Ah, I see the peewit has brought in more of his alter egos. They can all 'pull together' now and have a gang-wank.

Sorry peewit but as soon as I see your blathering (and it's easy to recognise), I just put you on hide, so one of these times you MAY talk some sense but I will never get to hear about it. What a terrible shame !!!

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/20/2016 6:10:20 PM

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A couple of things I will tell you though peewit is that it is impossible to call me names and insult me, basically because I have been called names in many different languages and in many different countries around the world and something I learned on my way through life ( and you too may begin to learn this when you get out of short pants and into high school, in that bog you inhabit) , is that if somebody calls me a name and it's accurate and truthful, I accept that and it's fine. If they call me a name and it is inaccurate and a lie, then that makes the name-caller a liar and/or a fool, so again, I accept that too and it's fine. Neither really amounts to anything.
And with that, I will wish you the old Buddhist wish......................may you live in interesting times.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/20/2016 9:03:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: theHouseofAvalon

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Any person I banned was for good cause.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4828249

Agree. Clearly this is so.

As an example, in this instance the TOS against pissing off Moderator 3 and 10 (somebody tell me he is not the "Gorean Moderator") is invoked for good cause and resulted in a justified permanent ban.

a small bump.

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