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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 12:03:45 PM

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In the original Sleeping Beauty, the prince had sex with this unconscious body until she gives birth. Only then does he feel attached to her enough to kiss her on the lips and wake her. Those old stories were pretty messed up, but when you look at medieval torture and children attending public executions, maybe the stories were relatively tame

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 12:21:31 PM

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Some versions of the Snow White tales have her exchanging sex along with cooking and cleaning for board. Some versions, the dwarves rape her.

being that ive never seen, nor even heard of such versions, can you be a little more forthcoming please?

I think he is confusing it with Sleeping Beauty.

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 12:35:34 PM

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In the original Sleeping Beauty, the prince had sex with this unconscious body until she gives birth. Only then does he feel attached to her enough to kiss her on the lips and wake her. Those old stories were pretty messed up, but when you look at medieval torture and children attending public executions, maybe the stories were relatively tame

There's a naughty interpretation from the psychoanalytic stable, too. It's basically a girls' and womens' fairy story.

The story goes, roughly, that the sexuality of a young girl goes dormant after a (too early) stirring of it. Till then, men are symbolised by short and unthreatening penises (the dwarfs). However, the prick of the poisoned needle (no need to explain that one) horrifies her and she 'puts her sexuality to sleep'. Only after a number of years have passed do her feelings about sex and men reach the stage where she's 'ready'. The handsome prince doesn't do anything special - he just turns up at the right time. When he kisses her, she wakes up to full sexuality.

So after all it really is all about filth and disgustingness, when we get right down to it.

[Don't blame the messenger.]

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 1:10:29 PM

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Some versions of the Snow White tales have her exchanging sex along with cooking and cleaning for board. Some versions, the dwarves rape her.

being that ive never seen, nor even heard of such versions, can you be a little more forthcoming please?

I think he is confusing it with Sleeping Beauty.

No, I'm not confusing the two. Sexuality and Violence were cornerstones of Grimm tales and a lot of old stories

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 1:12:28 PM

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Many of your favorite child hood characters and heroes did not win in their original stories

Side note, I hate autocorrect

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 1:15:49 PM

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The plot of Snow White varied somewhat from region to region, and though sex was common, the act being rape was not common. Still, technically prostitution

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 1:23:06 PM

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whatever you claim to read into it

it is not in the original edition:

https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Kinder-_und_Hausmärchen

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 1:43:15 PM

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A non German culture retold it that way. I grew up with the Disney version. I learned later of the debauchery in versions of many old tales. Look at variation in Greek myths or their Roman counterparts. Telling of tales varies from telling to telling and place to place

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 1:49:13 PM

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Disney is original?
"retold" is original?

original has something to do with origin

if not, it is not original

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 1:56:39 PM

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In the original Sleeping Beauty, the prince had sex with this unconscious body until she gives birth. Only then does he feel attached to her enough to kiss her on the lips and wake her. Those old stories were pretty messed up, but when you look at medieval torture and children attending public executions, maybe the stories were relatively tame

um, and who were the author's of this "original sleeping beauty?"

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 1:59:55 PM

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Some versions of the Snow White tales have her exchanging sex along with cooking and cleaning for board. Some versions, the dwarves rape her.

being that ive never seen, nor even heard of such versions, can you be a little more forthcoming please?

I think he is confusing it with Sleeping Beauty.

No, I'm not confusing the two. Sexuality and Violence were cornerstones of Grimm tales and a lot of old stories

great---ive got a couple collections of the grimm stories, tell me where the guy has sex with beauty while she is sleeping. shouldn't be too much of a problem to find the exact lines.

or where the dwarves rape snow white.

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 2:54:16 PM

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or where the dwarves rape snow white.

In the version I have, Snow White whopped a strap-on up each of the dwarfs' arses in turn. Also, the Handsome Prince married his horse. And then they all lived happily ever after.

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 2:54:32 PM

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Some versions of the Snow White tales have her exchanging sex along with cooking and cleaning for board. Some versions, the dwarves rape her.

being that ive never seen, nor even heard of such versions, can you be a little more forthcoming please?

I think he is confusing it with Sleeping Beauty.

No, I'm not confusing the two. Sexuality and Violence were cornerstones of Grimm tales and a lot of old stories

great---ive got a couple collections of the grimm stories, tell me where the guy has sex with beauty while she is sleeping. shouldn't be too much of a problem to find the exact lines.

or where the dwarves rape snow white.

The original tale of Sleeping Beauty was recorded by Giambattista Basile in a collection published in 1634, wherein it was called, "Sun, Moon, and Talia" (see here). It became the story of Sleeping Beauty in Charles Perrault's 1697 collection, Tales of Mother Goose, and finally appeared in Grimm's collection, which was then edited and re-edited through every edition until a uniform pablum was achieved.

I prefer to let a dwarf specialist handle your second challenge.

K.

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 3:12:05 PM

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fascinating stuff---thank you.

i'll have to go see if its in my grimm collection to see how/if the stories changed.

actually, now that I say that, I see the grimm version linked right there.

boy, except for the "sleeping" part, and the presence of curses and royalty underlying things, the stories are markedly different...and the grimm version is tame by comparison.

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 3:39:42 PM

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Many of your favorite child hood characters and heroes did not win in their original stories

Sometimes they did better, though...

K.

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 4:04:47 PM

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its small, but I have a whole book of those.

http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Correct-Bedtime-Stories-Garner/dp/0285640410

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 4:13:57 PM

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its small, but I have a whole book of those.

http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Correct-Bedtime-Stories-Garner/dp/0285640410

I have that book.

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 4:18:15 PM

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ive got the "holiday stories" too and I think I might have the fairy tales also...its fun stuff, and indicting also.

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 4:23:12 PM

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Some versions of the Snow White tales have her exchanging sex along with cooking and cleaning for board. Some versions, the dwarves rape her.

being that ive never seen, nor even heard of such versions, can you be a little more forthcoming please?

I think he is confusing it with Sleeping Beauty.

No, I'm not confusing the two. Sexuality and Violence were cornerstones of Grimm tales and a lot of old stories

great---ive got a couple collections of the grimm stories, tell me where the guy has sex with beauty while she is sleeping. shouldn't be too much of a problem to find the exact lines.

or where the dwarves rape snow white.

The Brother's Grimm cleaned things up.

The oral tradition stories from the French and the Germans were rather gruesome by today's standards. For example the cannibalism in Little Red Riding Hood.

Children do not actually tend to mind blood and gore as long and the correct people are on the receiving end of "a good kicking."

For example - My daughter and I watched "Lost Girl" when she was six. No problem with the violence done on the "bad guys." When Nadia got knifed though - THAT upset her. Michelle Pfiefer, in Batman 2, shoving stuffed animals in the garbage disposal when she was 4, was the part of the movie that upset her.

Kids KNOW that the certain people just need killing.

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Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam

I don’t always wgah’nagl fhtagn. But when I do, I ph’nglui mglw’nafh R’lyeh.

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RE: "Snow White" banned - 1/26/2016 5:25:07 PM

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Some versions of the Snow White tales have her exchanging sex along with cooking and cleaning for board. Some versions, the dwarves rape her.

being that ive never seen, nor even heard of such versions, can you be a little more forthcoming please?

I think he is confusing it with Sleeping Beauty.

No, I'm not confusing the two. Sexuality and Violence were cornerstones of Grimm tales and a lot of old stories

great---ive got a couple collections of the grimm stories, tell me where the guy has sex with beauty while she is sleeping. shouldn't be too much of a problem to find the exact lines.

or where the dwarves rape snow white.

The Brother's Grimm cleaned things up.

The oral tradition stories from the French and the Germans were rather gruesome by today's standards. For example the cannibalism in Little Red Riding Hood.

Children do not actually tend to mind blood and gore as long and the correct people are on the receiving end of "a good kicking."

For example - My daughter and I watched "Lost Girl" when she was six. No problem with the violence done on the "bad guys." When Nadia got knifed though - THAT upset her. Michelle Pfiefer, in Batman 2, shoving stuffed animals in the garbage disposal when she was 4, was the part of the movie that upset her.

Kids KNOW that the certain people just need killing.

One of my favorite quotes of all time-several incorrect versions of the quote are out there, but most still get the sentiment correct.

Fairy tales do not give the child his first idea of bogey. What fairy tales give the child is his first clear idea of the possible defeat of bogey. The baby has known the dragon intimately ever since he had an imagination. What the fairy tale provides for him is a St. George to kill the dragon.
~ G.K. Chesterton, writing the original lines, in Tremendous Trifles, Book XVII: The Red Angel (1909)

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