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Slow Load Times - 2/16/2016 2:01:52 PM   
HugeStrapon4Me


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Status: offline 		Hey everyone,

Just wondered if anyone else has problems with this site loading up very slow. I come to the boards & they load up instantly, but the main site is slow as crap, and wondered why. Its one of very few that do this, and I play major games on my computer that do not lag, so why does CS? Before anyone asks, no I do not share my connection & while its not fiber its the best resadentual cable I can get which is around about 8-8.5 MB/s download, and around .5MBs up. Just the site takes for ever to view profiles, reply to messages etc. Often times it even times out.

Thanks!
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RE: Slow Load Times - 2/16/2016 4:45:39 PM   
crumpets


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From: South Bay (SF & Silicon Valley)
Status: offline 		As a general rule, tests anyone can make (and report back to the boards are the following quickies).

This tests your current Internet latency & bandwidth to the nearest server and is independent of Collarspace/chat web servers. As such, it's your baseline.
  • http://speedtest.comcast.net

    By way of example, mine just now was 20ms latency, 29Mbps down and 14Mbps up.

    This tests the latency to the two main collar(stuff) servers:
  • ping collarspace.com
  • ping collarchat.com

    By way of example, mine were respectively:
  • Collarspace (Cloudflare 108.162.202.132) : Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 35ms, Average = 20ms
  • Collarchat (Cloudflare 68.68.104.17) : Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 35ms, Average = 20ms

    It's also instrucdtive to do a "trace route" of the two servers, shown here for Windows & Linux:
  • Windows: tracert collarspace.com
  • Linux: traceroute collarspace.com

    That will show all the servers that all your messages go through (and who, incidentally, can "see" all that you type, including your login and password, just so that you know.) Mostly what a trace route will show is whether one of those servers in the chain is super slow (usually it's the last one which is the ISP for the Cloudflare site that hosts the Collarstuff web pages).


    NOTE: This help thread really belongs in the perv-to-perv help section... (but bear in mind, once the classic trolls find this thread, they will pollute it with their nonsense so badly that it will eventually be yanked, with the result of helping nobody.)

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/16/2016 9:47:32 PM   
    stef


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    Status: offline     		The site has been slow the last day or so and fell off the net completely for a good deal of the day today. I was hoping they had it down to finally update this busted ass forum software but sadly, they did not.

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/17/2016 1:16:37 PM   
    HugeStrapon4Me


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    Status: offline     		"Crumpets",

    Did you read what I had written above? All of it? This is the only site I have this problem with, none of which has to do with my speed, ping, etc. I am well aware of all these tests, and none of them are valid for my problems. I even use sites to see if the site is just down for me or everyone, and most times its down for everyone. I just ask if other people get the lag & time outs. So I am confused as to why you felt it necessary to post all this? Did I miss something? If I am a gamer, and I do not share my connection, why did you feel the need to post all this unnecessary information?

    I prefer the following when I do need to do a speed test or other checks,

    * SpeedTest.net - I do not use ISP speed tests as they often times are pointless being they use their own servers to run the test from me back to them, and this is not always valid with other servers. With SpeedTest.net I can use any servers around the world. Also I hate Comcast with a passion, same as my own ISP Charter they both suck at life! Shame I don't get fiber here as I would swap & never look back. Chattanooga has turned into a series of hoods yet they offer 10 Gigabit up/down for around $90.00 a month. If I didn't have to worry about my well being all the time I would move there.


    66.21Mbps which is around 8-8.2 MBps & it pretty much stays around this range. I even get the same when downloading games on Steam. So my speed is not an issue here.

    * IsItDownRightNow.com - A great way to check sites to see if they are online or not, and even gives the load times. So yeah I am well aware of how to check on sites as I use these kinds of links to check on the sites I webmaster, and own.

    There are tons, but if you had read my question...

    "Stef",

    Thank you for the reply. Its not every day this happens just here & there but its annoying when it happens after you have written a long reply to someone, then the site is down. Takes me to a Microsoft page most times when this happens, telling me if I am the webmaster to login. In any cause thanks for the simple reply.

    < Message edited by HugeStrapon4Me -- 2/17/2016 1:38:41 PM >

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/17/2016 2:35:38 PM   
    dreamlady


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    Just wondered if anyone else has problems with this site loading up very slow. I come to the boards & they load up instantly, but the main site is slow as crap, and wondered why.

    Yes, I did late yesterday afternoon, not sure of the time, on both sides of this site. An Uh-oh something went wrong error message, try back later. (I use Mozilla for business sites, but not for this one, just regular Internet Explorer InPrivate).

    Usually when the main site starts acting up, the Collarchat side still loads properly, but it also went glitchy on me for a short spell.

    Thirty minutes later, all was fine other than with lag time in posts going through, but that's why I posted on reply-post feature(s) having suddenly disappeared in the "Introductions" section under Looking for Naughty Love and Introduce Yourself, although not under Positive Experiences. I'm pretty sure I know why this came about due to certain recent developments, but I'll keep that to myself.

    FYI, crumpets likes to overdeliver.

    DreamLady

    Edit - punctuation

    < Message edited by dreamlady -- 2/17/2016 2:36:39 PM >

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 1:34:23 AM   
    smeagol


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    Status: offline     		On and off every few hours or so for myself, seems perfect early to mid morning afternoon ok, but the evning it can take 2-5 mins to reload a page. I thought it might just be server load with a mass of people on at the same time.

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 7:18:03 AM   
    crumpets


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    Did you read what I had written above? All of it? This is the only site I have this problem with


    You may be unaware that long threads have been written (since about last November when the site apparently switched to cloudflare) about the fact that the Collar(stuff) servers are horridly slow and flaky lately.

    I myself posted images of over a dozen DIFFERENT error messages I've received in the last month alone, for example, in an extremely detailed thread that was subsequently yanked (either because the classic trolls polluted it too much or because the staff felt that all the errors made them look bad).

    So, one more thread by you on the same topic that Collarstuff web sites have huge networking issues isn't gonna add much value unless we (you and me and everyone else) TEACH others how to detect WHERE the problem lies (so that we work together to determine where the problems lie).

    To that end, I opened this thread, just now, where it belongs:
  • >> Perv to Perv Assistance How to test if slow loading times is you or collarstuff

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 7:50:14 AM   
    crumpets


    Posts: 1614
    Joined: 11/5/2014
    From: South Bay (SF & Silicon Valley)
    Status: offline     		You seem to have some networking knowledge, which is more than we can say for most people here (especially the inevitable trolls), so, let's work together to figure out WHY and WHERE the collar(stuff) sites are breaking down.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    none of them are valid for my problems.

    Actually, you can't say that the two tests I proposed aren't GENERAL USE tests:
    1. A baseline speedtest, and,
    2. A baseline trace route

    In fact, the traceroute "could" reveal a bad server, as you must be aware, somewhere in the chain.

    I realize you're dismissing that out of hand, and I completely understand, as I think the problem lies somewhere in the implementation of the clouflare-to-collarstuff sites, or in the collastuff servers themselves.

    So I ask you: Where do you think the problem lies?

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    I even use sites to see if the site is just down for me or everyone, and most times its down for everyone.

    Yup. I was gonna get to those next.

    I had planned on a general-networking debug thread for a while, so, maybe what we learn here can be applied to that thread, so that everyone benefits from each of our efforts.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    I just ask if other people get the lag & time outs. So I am confused as to why you felt it necessary to post all this? Did I miss something? If I am a gamer, and I do not share my connection, why did you feel the need to post all this unnecessary information?


    As I said, the general complaint that the collarspace/collarchat sites have been offline, slow, flaky, and giving a dozen different errors is extremely well known. So, unless you and I ADD VALUE, your thread (and mine) simply become "complaint" threads, where nothing new will be learned.

    So, since you seem to have some networking skills, let's all work together to determine WHERE the networking problem lies!

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    I prefer the following when I do need to do a speed test or other checks,

    There are many web sites that run speedtests, some of which require javascript and flash, and others don't require so much.

    Personally, I mostly use the command-line speed tests (because they require nothing and they're also easier to put into scripts), but, to help others, I added your speedtest link to the aforementioned networking thread.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    I do not use ISP speed tests as they often times are pointless being they use their own servers to run the test from me back to them, and this is not always valid with other servers.

    I think you're actually wrong on this interpretation, but, your general idea is spot on correct in that we wouldn't want an ISP-specific speedtest site. (I use Comcasts's speedtest for all ISPs, not just when I'm on Comcast because I think it's more accurate than the Speedtest site you used, but either site is just fine for the general purpose audience so let's not quibble about which site we use to test fundamental Internet connectivity.)

    So, I put both the Comcast test site (which I prefer over your suggestion) and the speedtest.net test site into the general-purpose networking thread. We should mention that there are PLENTY of other speetest sites, such as the ones run by the VOIP companies that test even more things (such as jitter).

    But, for most people, having the two sites (speedtest & speedtest.comcast) should suffice.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    With SpeedTest.net I can use any servers around the world.

    I don't generally test my speeds around the world, so I didn't look, but with almost any test site (including Comcast) you can change the server (since that is a critical factor, we all agree).

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    Also I hate Comcast with a passion, same as my own ISP Charter they both suck at life!

    Me too. I have multiple homes, some with Comcast, and others with NOTHING except Internet from the sky.
    I just installed a new WiFi antenna, for example, for my neighbor, this week, as we have to fend for ourselves where I live.
    The distance from his antenna to his nearest access point is about 10 miles for example.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    Shame I don't get fiber here as I would swap & never look back.

    We don't have ANY services where I live (no cable, no dsl, not even water or sewage or gas).
    All we have are phone & electricity, where everyone has their own generator because the power goes out once a month in the winter.

    We have to learn how to fend for ourselves.
    So, for you to want fiber is fine, but I'd be happy with just cable! :)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me
    * IsItDownRightNow.com - A great way to check sites to see if they are online or not, and even gives the load times. So yeah I am well aware of how to check on sites as I use these kinds of links to check on the sites I webmaster, and own.


    These types of links are great, as you know, because they run historical tests that tell us whether a site is down for just us or for everyone, and for how long.

    The results are, I think, slightly complicated by the fact that cloudflare has been inserted in between, which means that nobody is going to the same server, but that's why we should pool our knowledge and resources to figure out where the problems lie.

    I'm sure the admins of this site know EXACTLY where the problems lie, but that doesn't help us if they won't tell us.


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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 8:10:13 AM   
    WickedsDesire


    Posts: 9362
    Joined: 11/4/2015
    Status: offline     		Remain on this site but also feel free to start your own site like collarme.org so few members hmmm
    Quiet crumpets
    Sites status no-one here knows what is going on and the site announcement section has been silent since the beginning of time itself..spat aside. (yes he is ill and so am I and half the regulars on here)

    Sometimes on CS:
    You will not be able to log in.
    Load chat.
    Load a forum page.
    load/mail profile
    Lag of time.

    The above has been going on for a long time, not a day or so....and when i hit okay it took about 20 seconds for my reply to here

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 8:12:03 AM   
    crumpets


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    An Uh-oh something went wrong error message, try back later.

    I had documented about a score of different error messages over the past month, but the admins deleted the thread, so, I guess we have to start again.

    Next time someone gets a particular error message, I suggest they screenshot it and post it, like I did, and we can then compare notes.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    Usually when the main site starts acting up, the Collarchat side still loads properly, but it also went glitchy on me for a short spell.

    Dreamlady brings up a good point is that the two sites glitch differently, so we need to be clear which site we're discussing.
    Also, since cloudflare is involved in the middle, it matters what part of the world we're in.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    I'm pretty sure I know why this came about due to certain recent developments, but I'll keep that to myself.

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    FYI, crumpets likes to overdeliver.

    I used to be a troubleshooter in high tech, and they flew me all over the world to appease the hardest customers, all of whom were breaking technology barriers every second of the day. I LOVED the hardest meanest toughest customers. Everyone else hated them - but I loved them because they were actually EASY to please. You just over-deliver on EVERYTHING you promise them.

    Of course, it took about a day for every hour spent at those types of customer sites (e.g., if you had a four hour visit, it would take you over four work days to make good on your promises - not counting the travel time).

    Then it would take another four days to LEVERAGE the solutions found so that EVERYONE benefited from the efforts (writing white papers, documenting the solutions, writing and testing bug reports, etc.).

    That's just who I am... wired for delivering satisfaction.

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 4:26:21 PM   
    Wayward5oul


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: HugeStrapon4Me

    "Crumpets",

    Did you read what I had written above? All of it? This is the only site I have this problem with, none of which has to do with my speed, ping, etc. I am well aware of all these tests, and none of them are valid for my problems. I even use sites to see if the site is just down for me or everyone, and most times its down for everyone. I just ask if other people get the lag & time outs. So I am confused as to why you felt it necessary to post all this? Did I miss something? If I am a gamer, and I do not share my connection, why did you feel the need to post all this unnecessary information?

    It's called hazing. We all have to go through this ritual with C in some form or another if you plan on staying on the boards for long. But you broke the record for how quickly to get to this step LOL.

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 5:22:55 PM   
    crumpets


    Posts: 1614
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    From: South Bay (SF & Silicon Valley)
    Status: offline     		FR.
    I have no idea what "Wayword5oul" wrote, as he/she/it has been on HIDE due to not only the lack of ever adding ANY value to any thread, but also for unprovoked personal attacks.

    Since he/she/it is on permanent HIDE, I'll just let the others decide what technical value is contained in his/her/its posts in this thread.

    < Message edited by crumpets -- 2/18/2016 5:23:03 PM >

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 5:48:19 PM   
    Dvr22999874


    Posts: 2849
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    Status: offline     		A lot of people just put cumpots on 'hide' and enjoy the site a lot more.

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 6:13:50 PM   
    Wayward5oul


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets

    FR.
    I have no idea what "Wayword5oul" wrote, as he/she/it has been on HIDE due to not only the lack of ever adding ANY value to any thread, but also for unprovoked personal attacks.

    Since he/she/it is on permanent HIDE, I'll just let the others decide what technical value is contained in his/her/its posts in this thread.

    I'm heartbroken.

    And I don't believe for a second that you have me on HIDE. In the past you have shown screenshots of people that you have proudly put on hide, and even they told you that they knew you unhid them as soon as you had the screen capture. You are too obsessive about wanting to know everything, to seriously block when someone might say something about you.

    Or do you assume that every time that I post that it must be about you? Are you going to follow every post that I make on these boards with one of your own, with the assumption that I can only post about you? Reminding people about how clueless you think I am? You really feel the need to respond to a post you claim not to see, because you know it has to be about you?

    Seriously dude, get a life.

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 6:18:46 PM   
    Wayward5oul


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

    A lot of people just put cumpots on 'hide' and enjoy the site a lot more.

    This is true. But sometimes we get bored so we just egg him on. It usually doesn't take long for him to start getting frustrated and talking in ALL CAPS with LARGE, COLORED FONTS, and inserting insulting images. His critique of posters' intelligence gets more frequent as he gets more frustrated.

    Its good entertainment when my phone is charging and I can't play my word games.

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 6:21:54 PM   
    Dvr22999874


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    Status: offline     		is cumpots a 'him' ???? I thought it was an ' it' ...............my mistake

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 6:24:51 PM   
    Dvr22999874


    Posts: 2849
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    Status: offline     		I put it on 'hide' after about it's second or third post I think. It cuts down a lot of the rubbish in the threads. Makes a lot more sense reading the ones I DON'T have on hide too *smile*

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 6:51:14 PM   
    Lucylastic


    Posts: 40310
    Status: offline     		Yes, Im getting slow loading, both messages, mails on the other side it was down a couple of days ago, on and off, owing to Active Server Pages( ASP) database issues.
    The databases are a huge part of running the site.
    ASP was an issue going back before november.


    Personally I would like to see them shut it completely, both sides and work on it without constant input from posters and users of the other side.
    A warning notice could be posted, before with an approx date for reopening.
    It would cut down on people leaving out of disgust, or simply sick of not knowing what the hell is going on.
    But then meh..its been like this for too long

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 7:02:30 PM   
    Wayward5oul


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

    is cumpots a 'him' ???? I thought it was an ' it' ...............my mistake

    Honest mistake.
    On these boards, C identifies as a 'he'. But on the other side he has like 400 sock accounts as women or couples, all to advance his 'research'. So honestly, jury is still out as to what the truth is.

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    RE: Slow Load Times - 2/18/2016 7:31:10 PM   
    DocStrange


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

    A lot of people just put cumpots on 'hide' and enjoy the site a lot more.

    This is true. But sometimes we get bored so we just egg him on. It usually doesn't take long for him to start getting frustrated and talking in ALL CAPS with LARGE, COLORED FONTS, and inserting insulting images. His critique of posters' intelligence gets more frequent as he gets more frustrated.

    Its good entertainment when my phone is charging and I can't play my word games.

    It is really funny when you prove him wrong. It really drives him crazy


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