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Lucylastic -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 8:16:20 AM)

for you, others not so much

You were the one who said he could hire the best people
I never made any claim about obama.
do you see the difference or the strawman?




tweakabelle -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 8:37:37 AM)

Lucy, discussing Trump's merits and demerits with Greta is like discussing religion with a believer. Facts, logic, common sense all go out the window. People like Greta have chosen to believe and won't allow anyone or anything to challenge that decision. They will confect specious rationalisation after specious rationalisation rather than address facts, just as Greta has done in the face of overwhelming evidence contradicting her position.

What kind of lunacy does it take to put a person with a long history of bankruptcies in charge of a nation with a National Debt in excess of $14 trillion? How is this not literally putting a lunatic in charge of the asylum on a monumental scale? Yet people like Greta seriously propose such lunacy and insist it's rational ..... Go figure




Lucylastic -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 8:49:33 AM)

My sister was like that SO full of her biased self but sadly delusional.
but she grew up eventually.

Have to admit, im enjoying the hell out of the ignorant dribble lately.
If trum does anymore "180s" he is gonna have an agreeable answer and a disagreeable answer and hope that people dont see his lying, con artist shilling




Greta75 -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:06:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

for you, others not so much

You were the one who said he could hire the best people
I never made any claim about obama.
do you see the difference or the strawman?


I'm using an example of the current President how having no experience doesn't matter. The country is still standing. But I believe Trump is more experience in managing expertisee of others than Obama, who I think didn't do proper groundwork of his Obamacare plan.
And Trump like Obama is allowed to make a few errors as no human is perfect. As long as the errors don't exceed the successes.




Greta75 -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:09:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
What kind of lunacy does it take to put a person with a long history of bankruptcies in charge of a nation with a National Debt in excess of $14 trillion? How is this not literally putting a lunatic in charge of the asylum on a monumental scale? Yet people like Greta seriously propose such lunacy and insist it's rational ..... Go figure

Somebody with a long history of knowing how to recover from billions of dollars in debt back to positive level is definitely the perfect person to help America out of debt right now. And he never personally went bankrupt despite being billions in debt once. He negotiated with the banks and fix the problem and went back up.
As a corporation who owns many types of business, some business closures to prevent it from hitting the rest of the company is normal.

It's just like even in government. They close government sectors to cut cost which will cost many American employees their jobs. But it happens when they gotta cut cost to save the big picture.




Lucylastic -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:27:56 AM)

big picture is that those people who are cut make other problems bigger and more expensive when they cant find another job
but hey
they can just survive on pennies a day till the big picture happens.
Shit, yeah, lack of compassion for the citizens affected and focus on just the shareholders"needs" shudder




mnottertail -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:28:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
What kind of lunacy does it take to put a person with a long history of bankruptcies in charge of a nation with a National Debt in excess of $14 trillion? How is this not literally putting a lunatic in charge of the asylum on a monumental scale? Yet people like Greta seriously propose such lunacy and insist it's rational ..... Go figure

Somebody with a long history of knowing how to recover from billions of dollars in debt back to positive level is definitely the perfect person to help America out of debt right now. And he never personally went bankrupt despite being billions in debt once. He negotiated with the banks and fix the problem and went back up.
As a corporation who owns many types of business, some business closures to prevent it from hitting the rest of the company is normal.

It's just like even in government. They close government sectors to cut cost which will cost many American employees their jobs. But it happens when they gotta cut cost to save the big picture.



Yeah, he did.




Greta75 -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:30:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

big picture is that those people who are cut make other problems bigger and more expensive when they cant find another job
but hey
they can just survive on pennies a day till the big picture happens.
Shit, yeah, lack of compassion for the citizens affected and focus on just the shareholders"needs" shudder

Well corporations are not charity organizations. They are profit making. It's just a reality where to keep your company alive, nobody has 100% perfect score success in every single business venture they go into. Nobody does. Usually the goal is to have good decisions exceed bad decisions.

And if someone was running the government and not managing the budget right, government goes into bankruptcy and everybody dies, or cut some sectors and save the government. Tough decisions gotta be made. You could have all die and everybody loses jobs together, or some people loses jobs.




tweakabelle -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:32:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
What kind of lunacy does it take to put a person with a long history of bankruptcies in charge of a nation with a National Debt in excess of $14 trillion? How is this not literally putting a lunatic in charge of the asylum on a monumental scale? Yet people like Greta seriously propose such lunacy and insist it's rational ..... Go figure

Somebody with a long history of knowing how to recover from billions of dollars in debt back to positive level is definitely the perfect person to help America out of debt right now. And he never personally went bankrupt despite being billions in debt once. He negotiated with the banks and fix the problem and went back up.
As a corporation who owns many types of business, some business closures to prevent it from hitting the rest of the company is normal.

It's just like even in government. They close government sectors to cut cost which will cost many American employees their jobs. But it happens when they gotta cut cost to save the big picture.


LOL. Proposing that someone should be elected because of their intimate familiarity with bankruptcies is a novel, unique approach that is guaranteed to be taken seriously only by those who have made emotional decisions to believe in Trump. For me it's more like arguing that convicted arsonists should be put in charge of Fire Prevention at the Fire Brigade, or putting fraudsters and embezzlers in charge of security at banks because of their financial 'experience and expertise'.

I really don't know how much more moronic an argument can get. I don't know if it's possible to make a more moronic argument. To be honest I really don't want to know any argument as moronic as Greta's offering above. If anyone is impressed by such gibberish they need professional help.




Greta75 -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:35:35 AM)

Donald Trump has never personally went bankrupt. Went billions into personal debt during that huge mortgage crisis period where the entire US property industry was going FUBAR, refused to declare bankrupt and then fought his way back up. This is the perfect experience required for fixing the trillion of debt.

Because a person who never experienced debt and always managed everything so pristine and perfect. He walks into the mess US is in right now. How does he have the expertisee to fix it?

Trump has the experiences.




mnottertail -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:39:03 AM)

What is the difference between donald trump and the four times his companies went bankrupt?

Oh, I get it, he would bankrupt the United States, but personally not bankrupt himself.

Personally, he is a fiscal fuckin genius, hes just bad at other peoples money?

Thats the song going to be sung here now?




Greta75 -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:41:39 AM)

How is the 4 companies equivalent to America? Trump organisation is equivalent to America. The 4 companies are minor sectors of the one big Umbrella that he cut off.

It's more of the equivalent of cutting cost in some areas, closing down government departments.

Which is quite normal in almost most government as they manage things.

But the America aka Trump organization is still prosperous and doing well.




mnottertail -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:45:39 AM)

OK, so he is only going to say..........bankrupt 4 states?


No, bankruptcy is equivalent to making an asynchronous change to contracts you have agreed to, and paying very high discounts on the money you owe.

He still drank martinis and fucked his wife while he didnt pay contractors and suppliers, and they went bankrupt, lost their businesses, families, homes and so on.





Greta75 -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:47:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OK, so he is only going to say..........bankrupt 4 states?



Each state budget is run independently by the governors. So why would Trump play a role in bankrupting them? On top of that the governors are selected by the states people and not Trump to manage the states.

I would say federal government cuts is more likely, whatever federal departments there are to cut off.




mnottertail -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:49:59 AM)

You really don't understand anything at all about the United States, do you? And I mean nothing.




Lucylastic -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:51:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

big picture is that those people who are cut make other problems bigger and more expensive when they cant find another job
but hey
they can just survive on pennies a day till the big picture happens.
Shit, yeah, lack of compassion for the citizens affected and focus on just the shareholders"needs" shudder

Well corporations are not charity organizations. They are profit making. It's just a reality where to keep your company alive, nobody has 100% perfect score success in every single business venture they go into. Nobody does. Usually the goal is to have good decisions exceed bad decisions.

And if someone was running the government and not managing the budget right, government goes into bankruptcy and everybody dies, or cut some sectors and save the government. Tough decisions gotta be made. You could have all die and everybody loses jobs together, or some people loses jobs.

LOL
And because Corporations are only interested in wallets not people, is why inequality/poverty in the world is in such a desperate state.
He is A bigger part of the problem.




Lucylastic -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:52:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

You really don't understand anything at all about the United States, do you? And I mean nothing.

It really makes me embarrassed to be a furrigner[:D]




mnottertail -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 9:53:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OK, so he is only going to say..........bankrupt 4 states?



Each state budget is run independently by the governors. So why would Trump play a role in bankrupting them? On top of that the governors are selected by the states people and not Trump to manage the states.

I would say federal government cuts is more likely, whatever federal departments there are to cut off.



Cutting is not equivalent to bankruptcy. W had one, look at his fiscal nightmare, and Trump will lay 4 times that on the US.




WhoreMods -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 10:01:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Somebody with a long history of knowing how to recover from billions of dollars in debt back to positive level is definitely the perfect person to help America out of debt right now.

So if he's running the Federal Government, who's he going to run squealing to to bail him out of the bankruptcy?




Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: Clinton vs. Trump, 2016 (5/6/2016 1:16:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

Well these idiots http://www.livescience.com/43424-who-invented-the-light-bulb.html What audacity they had to even try with, with their inexperience! They should have just gave up and left us in the dark.
Such fools. All brilliant people start inexperienced. In fact people with great passion, care, and strength and yes healthy narcissism can actually surpass the experienced mediocre.
Your bucket has a hole in it and your arguments are losing water.

The motto of the story is all these individuals worked together to make what you enjoy today. Team effort!



They werent inexperienced, they were experienced inventors and scientists. However, they had no great experience in bankruptcy. So, your point is valid, and if that is what we want this country to do, by all means; Hairpie.



Yes all these men had made a light bulb several times??? What?
Go stick your finger in a light socket, I think you need electrical shock therapy![sm=happy-smiley58.gif][sm=happy-smiley58.gif]




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