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ORIGINAL: Greta75

http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_1801_1850/letter%20from%20barack%20obama%20on%20his%20muslim%20heritagehtml.htm
Look at this article. Obama himself saying that his father is a muslim, his step dad is a muslim and he attended a muslim school in Indonesia. Also does not claim to be a Christian either. Calls himself humanist. But in the eyes of the Islamic world, his a Muslim by default of his dad being one. In the eyes of the secular world, he can be whatever he wants to be or call himself.

And then you got this politifact article who claims that Obama father is an athiest thus Obama is not an Muslim. When Obama himself calls his own father a Muslim.

Politifact is not very factual.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Actually no: in the eyes of "Islamic world" if he's calling himself a humanist and attending Christian church services (you remember all that fuss about him hobnobbing with a racist pastor who wants to kill whitey, I take it?) then he's an infidel.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
Doesn't follow at all. Nobody here has said your mother is a cretin.

The only reason it doesn't follow because it's not common knowledge in the west that, any muslim born to a muslim parent is a muslim whether he likes it or not. But it is in Asia and all Muslim countries.

Whereas, most people in the west are more aware about jewish culture, where usually jewish line is passed through the mother.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Actually no: in the eyes of "Islamic world" if he's calling himself a humanist and attending Christian church services (you remember all that fuss about him hobnobbing with a racist pastor who wants to kill whitey, I take it?) then he's an infidel.

They simply see a Muslim person trespassing some Islamic laws. Which in their own country, there would be punishment but in a secular world, there is no punishment.

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Sorry Greta, being born to Muslims doesn't make you a Muslim.
That's one helluva myopic and obtuse PoV to have.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Tell that to Salman Rushdie.

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Muslims living in secular countries escape punishment for breaking their own Islamic laws.

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Muslim people around the world are just happy to see a Muslim elected as President of the United states. Many Muslims see Obama as a Muslim.

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Nope, doesn't work like that.
Still, it's nice to know that you won't be blathering about dhimmitude at the drop of a hat now that a moslem is London's elected mayor: I get the impression that a couple of the right leaning Americans in this thread are expecting a Turner Diaries style race war to have broken out in London before the end of the month.

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Quite. That's why ObL surrendered and issued a public apology the second Obama was sworn in, the Iranians stopped pissing and moaning and the Taliban just gave up and vanished.

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Nope, doesn't work like that.
Still, it's nice to know that you won't be blathering about dhimmitude at the drop of a hat now that a moslem is London's elected mayor: I get the impression that a couple of the right leaning Americans in this thread are expecting a Turner Diaries style race war to have broken out in London before the end of the month.

Yes it does. If you are in a secular country with no sharia laws. You can break all the sharia law all you want without punishment. Secular laws don't care if you break sharia laws.

It's that simple.

I don't think a mayor has enough powers to dhimmitude a whole London. I don't know anything about this dude. But I hope he chooses to rule secularly keeping his religion out of it.

As I said, My own district is run by a Muslim MP but his kept his religion out of everything, and never ever brings up religion in any of the things he does. I guess if he does, there will be outrage, so as long as he keeps religion out of it, everything is fine.

As long as the London Mayor doesn't mix his own religion with his job of running London, everything will be fine.

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Sorry Greta, being born to Muslims doesn't make you a Muslim.
That's one helluva myopic and obtuse PoV to have.

I am simply telling you the laws of Islam. Secular countries does not have to abide by it, and Muslims living in secular countries escape punishment for breaking their own Islamic laws as they are just in a different country with different laws.

But doesn't make these Islamic laws less true.

A jew line is passed down through mothers, is common knowledge. But in a secular country, that child is free not to identify himself or herself as a jew. Doesn't change the fact in Judaism. That's how it works. That's how the Jewish line is passed down.

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Try googling the fact that he received a lot of aggravation when he was still an MP over his support for gay rights, up to and including an iman calling for a fatwah on him.
Then, when you've done that, try explaining how muslim religious geas don't apply to muslims outside of the middle east again. And this time, show some working out.

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So the crazy thing is, are leftwingers upset if they have truly elected a Muslim President? Something wrong with that? I thought they love Muslims with open arms? Why in so much denial about having one? Thought ya should be proud!

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Try googling the fact that he received a lot of aggravation when he was still an MP over his support for gay rights, up to and including an iman calling for a fatwah on him.
Then, when you've done that, try explaining how muslim religious geas don't apply to muslims outside of the middle east again. And this time, show some working out.

I am talking about laws of the country. Angry muslims in secular countries may break the laws of the secular countries and take matters into their own hands to punish their own fellow muslims, but they are doing it illegally.

I am talking simply in matter of facts. Sharia laws does not apply in secular country, unless Muslims want to break secular law and get themselves in trouble. It's like honour killings in the UK right. Legalised and lawful in sharia law, illegal in the UK. Some Muslims chose to execute anyway, and technically, I hope the UK punished them for breaking secular law.