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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 6:34:08 AM

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I don't know of any hadith that specifies that being born of Muslims makes you a Muslim by default.

The hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There is no child who is not born in a state of fitrah, then his parents make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1292 and Muslim, 2658

This hadith says all children are born Muslim by default unless they were born to parents of other religions.

Below link tells of the different sect of Islam and what they believe in. Most believe just one parent is enough to make them default Muslim. Some believe, only it has to be the father.

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=273808

Gotta love the Islamic laws here, forbidding parents to allow their non-muslim children to inherit anything from them.

I don't understand why leftish kick such a big fuss about the threat of fundamental christian running government wanting to mix religion with politics, in regards to their pro-life issues, and nobody worries at all a Muslim will do the same. This is the absolutely craziest part!

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 6:37:49 AM

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Try googling the fact that he received a lot of aggravation when he was still an MP over his support for gay rights, up to and including an iman calling for a fatwah on him.
Then, when you've done that, try explaining how muslim religious geas don't apply to muslims outside of the middle east again. And this time, show some working out.

I am talking about laws of the country. Angry muslims in secular countries may break the laws of the secular countries and take matters into their own hands to punish their own fellow muslims, but they are doing it illegally.

I am talking simply in matter of facts. Sharia laws does not apply in secular country, unless Muslims want to break secular law and get themselves in trouble. It's like honour killings in the UK right. Legalised and lawful in sharia law, illegal in the UK. Some Muslims chose to execute anyway, and technically, I hope the UK punished them for breaking secular law.

Actually no, you were talking about "Islamic laws" which is normally taken to mean the forms of correct behaviour for moslems drawn from the Koran and what freedomdwarf has referred to as Hadith (the thoughts of Chairman Mohammed). Sharia law is something else again, and is a generic legal system based on the other. This is, admittedly, not practiced outside of moslem countries, but the other Islamic Laws are expected to be adhered to by anybody who calls themself a moslem, regardless of the local legal situation. The main difference is that one applies to all moslems everywhere, and the other applies to everybody of any faith in a moslem country.
Now given this, exactly how thoroughly do you feel that the alleged moslem Obama adheres to Islamic law? There's plenty of photos of him in evidence with an alcoholic drink in his hand, for a start...

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 6:40:18 AM

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It's nothing to do with 'secular' law.
It's very simply any law that isn't based upon any particular religion and therefore religious doctrine takes second place.

Secular Law IS the law that isn't based on any religion!
So what's your point? That's the difference between Secular Law and Sharia Law. And fortunately for now, Sharia Law is not implemented in the Christian/Western Countries yet.

In moderate Muslim countries. They have secular law for non-muslims and sharia law for Muslims. They have both running concurrently.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 6:40:20 AM

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I don't understand why leftish kick such a big fuss about the threat of fundamental christian running government wanting to mix religion with politics, in regards to their pro-life issues, and nobody worries at all a Muslim will do the same. This is the absolutely craziest part!

Probably because the "Muslim" currently in the white house was quite keen to include an abortion provision in his healthcare package and it was Christian fundamentalists who were opposed to that one.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 6:43:09 AM

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Probably because the "Muslim" currently in the white house was quite keen to include an abortion provision in his healthcare package and it was Christian fundamentalists who were opposed to that one.

Yes because being pro-life has never really been a Muslim thingy. It's a Christian thing. But Muslims have other things in their religions that would be unpleasant if mixed with secular law.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 6:44:49 AM

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Now given this, exactly how thoroughly do you feel that the alleged moslem Obama adheres to Islamic law? There's plenty of photos of him in evidence with an alcoholic drink in his hand, for a start...

I live in a country with Sharia laws and many devoted Muslims who goes to the Mosque drink alcohol too, so what's your point?
Many Christians do not turn the other cheek, despite identifying as Christians but refusing to follow Jesus example, so what's your point?
Religious rules are difficult to follow the TEE most of the time!
Kazhanstani Muslims all eat pork!

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 6:47:41 AM

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I don't know of any hadith that specifies that being born of Muslims makes you a Muslim by default.

The hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There is no child who is not born in a state of fitrah, then his parents make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1292 and Muslim, 2658

This hadith says all children are born Muslim by default unless they were born to parents of other religions.

Below link tells of the different sect of Islam and what they believe in. Most believe just one parent is enough to make them default Muslim. Some believe, only it has to be the father.

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=273808

Gotta love the Islamic laws here, forbidding parents to allow their non-muslim children to inherit anything from them.

I don't understand why leftish kick such a big fuss about the threat of fundamental christian running government wanting to mix religion with politics, in regards to their pro-life issues, and nobody worries at all a Muslim will do the same. This is the absolutely craziest part!

And as I already stated, stupity lead by stupity = islam.
Repeat it as much as you like, it's still stupid to all but the blind.

And it's not 'leftish' who kick up a fuss.
That's just a politically blind statement from someone with closed brain and one track agenda.
Please provide a creditable cite that states that this is a christian running government.
We have a whole mix of people, all races and religions, running this country.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 6:52:01 AM

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And as I already stated, stupity lead by stupity = islam.
Repeat it as much as you like, it's still stupid to all but the blind.

And it's not 'leftish' who kick up a fuss.
That's just a politically blind statement from someone with closed brain and one track agenda.
Please provide a creditable cite that states that this is a christian running government.
We have a whole mix of people, all races and religions, running this country.

You are so out of point. I never said anything about government being christian. I clearly said secular laws versus sharia law. And Americans getting upset at christian politicians or actually saying they will make bad leaders because they fear these fundalmentalist is gonna push banning of abortion through because it's their religious belief.

But if you are worried about a Muslim politician pushing his own religious inspired laws through, then you are a racist. As noooo, it's impossible, Muslim politicians would never try to push their own religious agenda in secular laws. Only christian politicians do that!

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 6:59:11 AM

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And as I already stated, stupity lead by stupity = islam.
Repeat it as much as you like, it's still stupid to all but the blind.

And it's not 'leftish' who kick up a fuss.
That's just a politically blind statement from someone with closed brain and one track agenda.
Please provide a creditable cite that states that this is a christian running government.
We have a whole mix of people, all races and religions, running this country.

You are so out of point. I never said anything about government being christian. I clearly said secular laws versus sharia law. And Americans getting upset at christian politicians or actually saying they will make bad leaders because they fear these fundalmentalist is gonna push banning of abortion through because it's their religious belief.

But if you are worried about a Muslim politician pushing his own religious inspired laws through, then you are a racist. As noooo, it's impossible, Muslim politicians would never try to push their own religious agenda in secular laws. Only christian politicians do that!

See your earlier post Greta: I don't understand why leftish kick such a big fuss about the threat of fundamental christian running government
And now you are denying it.

And, although you might not like it, 'Sharia Law' isn't definitive either.
It depends which bit of islam you follow and although is based within some islamic traditions, most of it is made up of additions by various imans according to where in the world it is being enforced.
In essence, sharia law is in addition to islamic beliefs, not a fundamental root of it.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 7:07:29 AM

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See your earlier post Greta: I don't understand why leftish kick such a big fuss about the threat of fundamental christian running government
And now you are denying it.

Yes, I didn't say that the government is christian. I said the left is kicking a big fuss about THE THREAT of fundamental Christians(perhaps there needs to be comma here) running government. Did I say the fundamental Christians are NOW running the government? I said the left people are protesting against fundamental Christians running the government. Which means, the left does not want any fundalmental christian to be running the government at all. This is usually the struggles between cons and libs in the US.

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And, although you might not like it, 'Sharia Law' isn't definitive either.
It depends which bit of islam you follow and although is based within some islamic traditions, most of it is made up of additions by various imans according to where in the world it is being enforced.
In essence, sharia law is in addition to islamic beliefs, not a fundamental root of it.

Regardless which sharia law they choose to follow, none of them are great and would be good for any country.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 7:16:20 AM

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Oh dear jeesus
no
I dont care what religion someone is, I care what laws they pass restricting other peoples rights using their "belief" system as a reason to discriminate against them.

Religion is like having a penis...I dont care what you do with it as long as you dont wiggle it about and thrust it down my throat.
Your own hatred is colouring your bullshit.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 7:22:24 AM

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Oh dear jeesus
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I dont care what religion someone is, I care what laws they pass restricting other peoples rights using their "belief" system as a reason to discriminate against them.

Libs love to generalize all cons as racist, misogynistic, well the usual spew, and blame it on their fundamental christian beliefs.

I never understand why the same ones who could spew so much hate towards Christianity, just doesn't bare the same attitude towards Islam. When Islam actually got worst things in their religion.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 7:23:29 AM

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This is usually the struggles between cons and libs in the US.

Perhaps you forget that I'm not American and don't live in the US.

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Regardless which sharia law they choose to follow, none of them are great and would be good for any country.

Sharia law... good??? For any country???
Jeez Greta. Only a devout Muslim would think sharia law is any good at all.
It's whole premise is anathema to non-islamic belief systems.
Just like islam is at the other end of the scale - it just doesn't fit.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 7:27:16 AM

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Oh dear jeesus
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I dont care what religion someone is, I care what laws they pass restricting other peoples rights using their "belief" system as a reason to discriminate against them.

Libs love to generalize all cons as racist, misogynistic, well the usual spew, and blame it on their fundamental christian beliefs.

I never understand why the same ones who could spew so much hate towards Christianity, just doesn't bare the same attitude towards Islam. When Islam actually got worst things in their religion.

you are simply a liar. and a lousy one :)

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 7:29:29 AM

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Lucy, with that new picture of yours, thank you for agreeing, being a good muslim means being pro-life, anti-homosexuals, anti-woman, pro-facial hair, anti-pork and anti-alcohol.

Going by that as what a good muslim person is.

I'd say, I don't want to be friends with such a person.

it's consistent with my beliefs that I only befriend muslims who break alot of islamic rules.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 8:06:51 AM

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You see you think I have a love of islam and you are wrong, completely, I have always stated I view all all religions as bad as another with regards to women and sex.
but you are the one tarring all with the same brush.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 10:04:08 AM

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Most believe just one parent is enough to make them default Muslim. Some believe, only it has to be the father.

And yet that is in fact not how it works. Otherwise I would be Jewish, which I am not.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 10:05:59 AM

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Either way, my point is, America has elected a Muslim President, despite him being Muslim.

And your point is wrong.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/7/2016 10:09:09 AM

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Yea, that's what he says.

Which is all that counts.

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Other jews will still see him as a jew because he has a jewish mom.

Simply not true.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/8/2016 4:33:10 PM

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Exactly, and not just the cons. He had some trouble back when he was still an MP rather than London's Mayor with a couple of the more reactionary Imans giving him shit (one, iirc, was calling for his excommunication, which I think is an automatic fatwah) over his being in favour of gay rights. Stirring up all that again during an election wouldn't have done him any favours at all, would it?

I honestly dont know much about him as I said, I havent read much about it until this week, altho I have an inkling from what I have read.
I havent lived in the UK for nearly three decades. SO im out of the loop on so many things there.

He was born and bred in South London, which makes him as English as me. His dad was a bus driver and Sadiqs family lived on a tough Council Estate he also went to a tough inner London Comprehensive, he studied hard and then went to university to study law. He started off working in discrimination and civil rights cases. He later decided he could do better in POlitics and spent 12 years with Tooting Council before finally getting a seat for Labour.

One point he raised is he sees himself as British, a Londoner and a Muslim. Today he attended a Jewish Memorial event in London.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36140479

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