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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 4:51:51 PM   
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"...arse spraying mayhem"?
Was he struggling when you gave him his enema or something?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 4:54:16 PM   
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The Second Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on the right to bear arms. this is a political right which has nothing to do with the advance of technology.


I can't see how that makes sense. The 2nd was put together in the days of muskets - things that are as far divorced from modern-day guns as horses and carts are from cars.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 4:55:57 PM   
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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:02:49 PM   
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The Second Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on the right to bear arms. this is a political right which has nothing to do with the advance of technology.


I can't see how that makes sense. The 2nd was put together in the days of muskets - things that are as far divorced from modern-day guns as horses and carts are from cars.

And as far removed from todays guns as the printing press is from TV and the internet. As I pointed out earlier there were firearms capable of up to twenty rounds, one that was demonstrated to be capable of firing 20 rounds in 5 seconds (it was cartridge loaded) and cannon were allowed so they fully understood that they were protecting the right of people to own firearms equal to what ever threat they may face. You arguement sounds nice but doesn't pass the logic test.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:07:36 PM   
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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:08:56 PM   
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You arguement sounds nice but doesn't pass the logic test.


By god does that line chime with what I nearly always think when I read a gun-fan's comment.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:09:55 PM   
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Now they are reporting as many as 50 dead... I am just waiting for one of our gun friends to pop in and say... see if someone had a gun this would not have happened... they may be right.

But this happened in a gun happy stand your ground state... Lets see how this terrorist got his guns and ammo.

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Regardless of how happy a gun state it is, it's illigal to take a concealed gun into a place that serves alcohol. A bar is basically a gun free zone. But, your one size fits all statement sounded good.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:10:36 PM   
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You seem content to simply go along with what everyone else is doing.


No, just the majority of political scientists. As you said, you know little about political science. Awareness doesn't either.


And as I said, the fact that "the majority of political scientists" do something one way isn't in itself any kind of reason for doing it that way. It is that simple fact that I'm contradicting. I have made no claim whatsoever about your level of knowledge on the subject, or Awareness'.

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It works because it has explanatory power - and has done for well over a century Also, in nearly every case of someone who has put himself 'above' or 'outside of'' the left/axis, I've found that they haven't been either. They just don't really know what 'left' and 'right' mean.


Likewise, the fact that something "has been done for well over a century" isn't in itself any kind of reason for doing it that way, (and if it has explanatory power, you have failed to demonstrate why. Of course, it might be true, but why should I take your word for it?)

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"Additionally, you've just made a number of assertions without attempting to back them up with reasons or evidence.

That's a first year undergrad logic student's mistake. "


Awareness and I have done this argument repeatedly. I can't be bothered to keep doing it.


Okay, but you've never done it with me, not once. Why bother to respond at all if you're tired of the subject?

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I think the thing to do, recalling again your opening comment that you know little about political science, is stop being lazy and go away and learn something about it, pleasenpetrichor. It's not my job to teach you the basics of the subject, after all. Also, I'm especially reluctant to try to teach anyone such as Awareness or you, yourself - who, I suspect, would be extremely resistant at learning what I have to teach anyway.


You are entitled to think so, of course, but in my opinion, you're wrong. I would sincerely be open to that discussion if you would ever be willing to engage me. Given how how infrequently we've ever interacted on these boards, I don't think you can have much basis for believing otherwise.

And, in my opinion, I'm not asking you to "educate me". I'm merely asking you to back up assertions that you've already made.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:11:21 PM   
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FR

Another sobering read:

http://thoughtcatalog.com/jacob-geers/2016/06/here-are-all-the-people-applauding-the-orlando-gay-club-shooter/

They are subhuman scum no matter what group they belong to.


I think you missed the point. This article proves that all right wingers are bastards because the ones pointed out in the article are bastards. And the worst part is those bastards are pointing to a few muslims and claiming their actions speak for the whole of islam. That also proves that the right wingers are all islamaphobes because the ones pointed out in the article are islamaphobes. Simple once you think about it.

The article says nothing of the sort, and neither did I.

Please don't lie about my posts.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:12:16 PM   
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This guy didn't kill people because he had a gun.
Yes he fucking did. Without a gun his opportunity to kill that many people that quickly would be severely compromised.


Could have been severely compromised. He could have used a bomb, no?

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He shot people at a gay nightclub because he could not tolerate homosexuality. He killed people because he decided that his right to choose was more important than theirs.
He was probably suffering from some mental health issue in addition to being quite radical in his religious faith. I have not yet read how he got his guns, but that is important.
No, it's fucking irrelevant. The ready availability of guns in the USA is directly responsible for this tragedy. Look here's some footage from inside the club when the guy started shooting: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/florida-nightclub-shooting/81030880/florida-shooting-victim-amanda-alvear-posted-video-to-snapchat-as-gunman-attacked
Listen to how fast that fucker is firing. If you seriously want to try and tell me that you have a constitutional right and need for a gun which fires that fast, then I'll confidently proclaim you as fucking insane. Guns like that do not belong in the hands of the citizenry. Period.


I have a Constitutional right to own a gun. Whether it fires that fast might change. And, I can assure you that I, personally, have no current need, nor do I see my having a future need, for a gun that I can fire that fast.

How many people in the US have guns that fire that fast? How many people in the US that have guns that fire that fast went on a shooting rampage? It's not having a gun that causes people to kill.




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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:16:21 PM   
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This guy didn't kill people because he had a gun.
Yes he fucking did. Without a gun his opportunity to kill that many people that quickly would be severely compromised.


Could have been severely compromised. He could have used a bomb, no?

He didn't though. There's a few cases of epic jihadist fails with home made explosive devices, after all. Being able to get hold of a gun may not put everybody off trying to kill people random people for stupid reason, but it does make doing so a lot easier for many people who fancy the idea.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:28:44 PM   
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This guy didn't kill people because he had a gun.
Yes he fucking did. Without a gun his opportunity to kill that many people that quickly would be severely compromised.

Could have been severely compromised. He could have used a bomb, no?

He didn't though. There's a few cases of epic jihadist fails with home made explosive devices, after all. Being able to get hold of a gun may not put everybody off trying to kill people random people for stupid reason, but it does make doing so a lot easier for many people who fancy the idea.


Wait. He didn't? What? Derp.

He didn't go on a killing spree because he had a gun. He went on a killing spree because he wanted to kill people. He targeted homosexuals for his killing spree because those were the types of people he was angered by. Their homosexuality was anathema to his beliefs. That is why he shot people up. That is why he went to that nightclub to kill people.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:30:51 PM   
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My AR-15s, and many others in free states, use Magpul 30-round magazines which are unbelievably reliable and relatively inexpensive.

Honest question: What does a civilian do with an AR-15? Hunting? Target practice? Self-defense?

Varmint hunt, pest control, competition, target practice with inexpensive ammo. I've seen Alaskan natives use them on brown bears. Since they are modular, they can be made into anything and used for just about any purpose any other rifle can be used for. I've been on blackbear hunts with people who used an AR. I've seen rattlers killed, although I'd just pick the damn snake up and put it in a bush somewhere away from camp. The list is actually pretty long.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:33:29 PM   
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The shooter was born in New York.

Afghanistani descent. Parents were from Afghanistan. A country that puts gay people to death.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:34:10 PM   
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Varmint hunt, pest control, competition, target practice with inexpensive ammo. I've seen Alaskan natives use them on brown bears. Since they are modular, they can be made into anything and used for just about any purpose any other rifle can be used for. I've been on blackbear hunts with people who used an AR. I've seen rattlers killed, although I'd just pick the damn snake up and put it in a bush somewhere away from camp. The list is actually pretty long.

Thanks. I appreciate the info.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:35:03 PM   
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Greta says the guy comes from a country with the death penalty for gays (he doesn't).

Some who is Afganistani descent does come from a country with death penalty. Being born in the US means nothing clearly, as he still followed his roots.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:35:59 PM   
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This guy didn't kill people because he had a gun.
Yes he fucking did. Without a gun his opportunity to kill that many people that quickly would be severely compromised.

Could have been severely compromised. He could have used a bomb, no?

He didn't though. There's a few cases of epic jihadist fails with home made explosive devices, after all. Being able to get hold of a gun may not put everybody off trying to kill people random people for stupid reason, but it does make doing so a lot easier for many people who fancy the idea.


Wait. He didn't? What? Derp.

He didn't go on a killing spree because he had a gun. He went on a killing spree because he wanted to kill people. He targeted homosexuals for his killing spree because those were the types of people he was angered by. Their homosexuality was anathema to his beliefs. That is why he shot people up. That is why he went to that nightclub to kill people.


He didn't use a bomb.
It's conceivable that he might have resorted to a bomb if he hadn't been able to get hold of couple of firearms. However, he didn't need to be able to make a bomb.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:38:54 PM   
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Just checking in from Orlando. I'm not a regular at Pulse, or any club, but I've been there enough that I've been crying like a bitch for the last two days.

And I'm not going to even try to get into an actual conversation about why/how/again or any of that just yet. It's the same as any other time, just closer to home, and a higher body count.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:42:12 PM   
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Greta was born in Idaho.

I guess Idaho must be gun free, since I never seen a real gun in my life.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 5:43:39 PM   
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Just checking in from Orlando. I'm not a regular at Pulse, or any club, but I've been there enough that I've been crying like a bitch for the last two days.

Warmest sympathies JVoV.

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