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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 6:58:53 AM   
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What pisses me off, people who support Taliban should stay with Taliban in Afghanistan. WTF did he move to the US for?

He was born here dumb ass.

I'm referring to his father


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 6:59:24 AM   
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How many Muslims in Muslim countries can be openly gay and feel safe?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam#Legal

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However, in 20 out of 57 Muslim-majority nations same-sex intercourse is not forbidden by law.

The Ottoman Empire (predecessor of Turkey) decriminalized homosexuality in 1858. In Turkey, where 99.8% of the population is Muslim, homosexuality has never been criminalized since the day it was founded in 1923.[74] And LGBT people also have the right to seek asylum in Turkey under the Geneva Convention since 1951.[75]

Same-sex sexual intercourse is legal in Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), most of Indonesia, and in Northern Cyprus. In Albania, Lebanon, and Turkey, there have been discussions about legalizing same-sex marriage.[18][19] Albania, Northern Cyprus and Kosovo also protect LGBT people with anti-discrimination laws.



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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 7:14:01 AM   
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Same-sex sexual intercourse is legal in Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), most of Indonesia, and in Northern Cyprus. In Albania, Lebanon, and Turkey, there have been discussions about legalizing same-sex marriage.[18][19] Albania, Northern Cyprus and Kosovo also protect LGBT people with anti-discrimination laws.


I just need to choose one country to check wikipedia who so-called welcome homosexuals, and then I see this:

Uniformed Iraqi police officers have carried out lethal attacks on homosexual people.[3] The government of the Netherlands declared in 2012 that no place in Iraq was safe for LGBT persons.[4] It has been reported that the Iraqi government and militia are conspiring to exterminate LGBT people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iraq

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 7:23:47 AM   
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Same-sex sexual intercourse is legal in Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), most of Indonesia, and in Northern Cyprus. In Albania, Lebanon, and Turkey, there have been discussions about legalizing same-sex marriage.[18][19] Albania, Northern Cyprus and Kosovo also protect LGBT people with anti-discrimination laws.


I just need to choose one country to check wikipedia who so-called welcome homosexuals, and then I see this:

Uniformed Iraqi police officers have carried out lethal attacks on homosexual people.[3] The government of the Netherlands declared in 2012 that no place in Iraq was safe for LGBT persons.[4] It has been reported that the Iraqi government and militia are conspiring to exterminate LGBT people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iraq


So the United States is to be judged by this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/19/homophobic-murder-new-york/2325087/

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 7:42:54 AM   
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/19/homophobic-murder-new-york/2325087/

Is it the nation's police enforcement and government going after them?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 7:46:24 AM   
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/19/homophobic-murder-new-york/2325087/

Is it the nation's police enforcement and government going after them?



Ahh. A frame of reference.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-09/timeline-us-police-shootings-unarmed-black-suspects/6379472


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 7:56:02 AM   
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page 27 and I have barely seen one decent post. Do I expect too much from at least half of you? (just 50% is all I ever ask for ) I have seen much sophistry and minds too far gone. Incidentally his mind was too far gone with sophistry..or delusional call it what you wish.

as i initially said

Such sadness. Woe is me I am becoming immune. Mass shootings USA: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant.
Population of wicked town is about 10 000, number killed with guns per year in usa 40 000. That is killed not injured. If you are pedantic then 32,000 you may cite but it will be higher.
Mass shooting in the UK 2015: none (double checks) None since 2010.
>3.3 million AR-15s in the US . 45 rounds per minute. 0 days' wait needed to obtain one in Florida that statement takes care of itself.

I am surprised it does not happen more often everywhere. But cometh has that day/epoch/era

Wicked rantish time. Your American gun laws fucking sicken me to my very core. If I had to pick just one country.

James(it no secret who I am) mind thought, as they initially reported 20 deaths, firstly 1 injury i am always appalled was not truly shocked or surprised by that. Just another one of those hundreds of mass shootings occurring particularly in America annually..a few hours later, on the bbc, 50 they said a day later they said 49...overlooking the badly critically injured.

My thoughts are many but i will go with the initial basics:
>3.3 million AR-15s in the US . 45 rounds per minute. 0 days' wait needed to obtain one in Florida that statement takes care of itself.
How did he get it into the club is question 1 I have seen not asked anywhere

His dear father said I could not believe it myself for sanity still touches even mehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36514608

His ex partner said, cannot find the clip said, he was prone to outburst of abuse - not a particularly uncommon occurrence from huwmans the world over

but 50(49) from 40 000 per annum is a feeble 0.1% and no-on mentioned within the same breath the other 99.9% equally appal me

I give you feeble minds, NRA, all you fuking gun nuts on here, and there, and your piece of shittery that calls itself Right to keep and bear arms- and anyone who has ever defended their mis reading off it (interpretation) over looking the fact it was written in a bygone era for specific purposes

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As for the facts - they are still unravelling

So many to quote on here and dismantle I will not bother as yours minds and sophistry are too far gone.

some notes:
1. How did he get the gun into the club.
2. If I was American I could go into the supermarket and purchase 4 scones, packet of tasty muffins and bizarrely an automatic weapon of fuking death ad carnage immediately (Florida) I would have to wait 3 days for the handgun or 20.
3. we have one user x user numbers on here ( I also read that article) saying his father said he saw 2 men kissing a month ago an inferred it outraged his son and his religious belief. I quoted the fathers video clip - I would deport the father for that alone. For balance he was guilty of shittery and homophobia – so I would deport all that fulfilled this criteria. This conflicts his son was visiting that club for three years and gay dating apps
4. I do not pretend to understand every belief or religions. Buddhist I will excuse you for sure, the rest I would fuking ban in god we trust….
5. The gunman was an American. Whom amongst us have not lost his temper and mines can be foul against all sophistry lies mistruth errant info etcyet I have never struck another individual, nor would I pick up my potato masher and go on the rampage. Thing is people do, they lash out with their hands, fists, go to the locked unloaded biscuit time you lot keep your guns in, And then they lash out. This is how they are and nothing can be done for almost all of them
6. Militia argument fuk off. Didn’t one of your deranged armed militia not recently put that aspect of the second amendment to the test?
7. Your second amendment I have dismantled before it is an archaic piece of shite.
9. If the general public must own a gun why not just a hand gun, semi and automatic weapons in those days did not exist at the time of writing….gatlin gun was hmmm 1862. Some fuking loon with a hand gun you can rush.
10. his ex partner said he had a temper….and it is common place in relationships
11. His current wife who had no idea he was gay – deport her – her “men” have uses for her. I thought long and hard about that one do I blame abuse her religious beliefs her believing her husband’s religious beliefs
12. racial profiling – I have no problems with – it disgusts me to say that..I have crunched the numbers many times. But I will add balance with stating that fuking loon was an American.

Koran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran, before I turn my attention to that the bible is a piece of contradictory shite and is a collection of many books and not the word of “God”. I am actually a fan of the olde testament and belive there is truth in it and it has essence nd substance
Koran I have not read so I will require one who has on here to help me out with its stance on eye for an eye hurl gays of buildings. What does it say in totality regarding homosexuality and hot lesbians – I saw none of them getting hurled off a building, driven over with a tank, I guess their purpose are sex slaves and to be raped?
Bible…the new testament I kind of forget its stance it will have many contradictory stances*

As for the shooter most likely 100% homosexual, a conflicted human being, at times, not all times, consumed by anger and bitterness and jealously, which grew and grew, and he dealt with it as he did. At the very last moment his mad a fuk mind, sane, and his religious beliefs (not to be confused with the Koran- the word of one man- unlike the bible – multiple sources help- not someone living in a cave- exempts mighty eagle-and the word of god, to him, went lost – before it was cobbled together-as was the bible)

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:01:27 AM   
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As for the shooter most likely 100% homosexual, a conflicted human being, at times, not all times, consumed by anger and bitterness and jealously, which grew and grew, and he dealt with it as he did. At the very last moment his mad a fuk mind, sane, and his religious beliefs (not to be confused with the Koran- the word of one man- unlike the bible – multiple sources help- not someone living in a cave- exempts mighty eagle-and the word of god, to him, went lost – before it was cobbled together-as was the bible)

If you're taking that line towards the fuckwit, maybe he was stupid enough to think that if he got himself shot during a spree killing invoking the name of daesh (and a couple of other jihadist groups they don't get on with as well), then he'd get his 72 cases of sherbertvirgins rather than going where gay moslems get sent when they die?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:04:21 AM   
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Ahh. A frame of reference.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-09/timeline-us-police-shootings-unarmed-black-suspects/6379472

People killing Homosexuals in Iraq is not even prosecuted.

There were minimal government efforts to address this discrimination. At year's end[,] authorities had not announced any other arrests or prosecutions of any persons for violence against LGBT individuals, including cases reported in 2011.[19]
From the same wikipedia link I gave earlier.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:14:44 AM   
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Ahh. A frame of reference.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-09/timeline-us-police-shootings-unarmed-black-suspects/6379472

People killing Homosexuals in Iraq is not even prosecuted.

There were minimal government efforts to address this discrimination. At year's end[,] authorities had not announced any other arrests or prosecutions of any persons for violence against LGBT individuals, including cases reported in 2011.[19]
From the same wikipedia link I gave earlier.


And not many cops are prosecuting for shooting black people. Cherry picking doesn't mean shit. You picked ONE country in the middle of a civil war.

I don't care that you're a racist bigot who will almost certainly shoot up a mosque some day due to your radical hatred, but at least try to be honest about being a whack job on the fringe.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:17:45 AM   
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You don't even understand the terms of the debate.
Any thing beyond a 30-06 woud be a high powered rifle.

You do not think 30-06 is high powered rifle????
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


A 30-06 being a good benchmark for the threashold for highpowered rifles.

Somthing with a 55 gr bullet isn't.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:21:31 AM   
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Same-sex sexual intercourse is legal in Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), most of Indonesia, and in Northern Cyprus. In Albania, Lebanon, and Turkey, there have been discussions about legalizing same-sex marriage.[18][19] Albania, Northern Cyprus and Kosovo also protect LGBT people with anti-discrimination laws.


I just need to choose one country to check wikipedia who so-called welcome homosexuals, and then I see this:

Uniformed Iraqi police officers have carried out lethal attacks on homosexual people.[3] The government of the Netherlands declared in 2012 that no place in Iraq was safe for LGBT persons.[4] It has been reported that the Iraqi government and militia are conspiring to exterminate LGBT people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iraq


So the United States is to be judged by this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/19/homophobic-murder-new-york/2325087/

Did you catch the term police officers, make a difference whether you undersatnd it or not.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:24:32 AM   
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You don't even understand the terms of the debate.
Any thing beyond a 30-06 woud be a high powered rifle.

You do not think 30-06 is high powered rifle????
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



A 30-06 being a good benchmark for the threashold for highpowered rifles.

Somthing with a 55 gr bullet isn't.


Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_power_rifle

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:27:14 AM   
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I believe it was also Awareness who referred to an AR 15 as a "high-powered weapon", as do many of the gun-grabbers. Of course, they also refer to it as an assault rifle. It is not.
Jesus Christ, what do you call a "high-powered weapon"? Does it have to fire a .50 anti-materiel round before you'll concede it's "high-powered"?

Fuck a duck, you gun nuts really do tie your sense of manhood to your weapons. It's pathetic.

The .223 is not considered a powerful enough round to go deer hunting in most states.
The projectile is much smaller than most hunting rounds. In this respect it would even ranks behind the 30-30, a round developed in the 19th century.
You don't even understand the terms of the debate.
Any thing beyond a 30-06 woud be a high powered rifle.
Since you don't shoot you have no way of knowing how little relative power the .223 has so why don't you just keep quite and learn somthing.

Well, obviously: the .223 is clearly a harmless round that bounced off everybody it was shot at in that night club, didn't it? Barely even a bullet at all...

Even a .22 lr can kill, that doesn't make it a high powered rifle, particularly since a lot of pistols use it.
I see you can only repsond to facts with sarcasim, at least I hope you were being sarcastic.

As the fact I'm responding to was a statement that the bullet used to kill or wing 53 people isn't a proper hunting round and nobody serious would dream of using it, sarcasm is about all it deserves. The .223 seems to have worked pretty well under the circumstances, after all.
Or was your point supposed to be some sort of snottily homophobic diss implying that the poor bastards shot by this dickhead didn't deserve anything better than a bullet properly used for vermin control rather than hunting?

It was about your refering to a mid to low range rifle caliber as highpowered.
The shooting took place at point blank range. The way they were packed, if he had been using a true high powered rifle he would have hit two or three victims per round as the bullets would have gone clear through a person at that range.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:34:24 AM   
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You say armed citizens don't s stop these things, this is for two reasons.
One these incidents occur in gun free zones, so the only people there to resist are the unarmed citizens.
Two when they aren't in gun free zones the armed citizens stop it before it becomes news worthy.
Wrong. Only 17% of incidents take place in gun-free zones. The majority of incidents take place where it's legal to carry.


Wrong

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:36:01 AM   
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I believe it was also Awareness who referred to an AR 15 as a "high-powered weapon", as do many of the gun-grabbers. Of course, they also refer to it as an assault rifle. It is not.
Jesus Christ, what do you call a "high-powered weapon"? Does it have to fire a .50 anti-materiel round before you'll concede it's "high-powered"?

Fuck a duck, you gun nuts really do tie your sense of manhood to your weapons. It's pathetic.

The .223 is not considered a powerful enough round to go deer hunting in most states.
The projectile is much smaller than most hunting rounds. In this respect it would even ranks behind the 30-30, a round developed in the 19th century.
You don't even understand the terms of the debate.
Any thing beyond a 30-06 woud be a high powered rifle.
Since you don't shoot you have no way of knowing how little relative power the .223 has so why don't you just keep quite and learn somthing.

Well, obviously: the .223 is clearly a harmless round that bounced off everybody it was shot at in that night club, didn't it? Barely even a bullet at all...

Even a .22 lr can kill, that doesn't make it a high powered rifle, particularly since a lot of pistols use it.
I see you can only repsond to facts with sarcasim, at least I hope you were being sarcastic.

As the fact I'm responding to was a statement that the bullet used to kill or wing 53 people isn't a proper hunting round and nobody serious would dream of using it, sarcasm is about all it deserves. The .223 seems to have worked pretty well under the circumstances, after all.
Or was your point supposed to be some sort of snottily homophobic diss implying that the poor bastards shot by this dickhead didn't deserve anything better than a bullet properly used for vermin control rather than hunting?

The .223 isn't a proper hunting round generally. Any bullet can be used by experts with expert care. I've given the energy information earlier. You seem to have ignored that. I even discussed within the context of a closed space like the bar where the shooting happened.

You can go ask anyone who's done a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan. While the .223 did well on small Vietnamese when it first came out, it just doesn't work well on Middle Eastern size people and above. Most soldiers will tell you it'll take about three rounds from the M-4 to put a larger person down. You can be silly about this all you want. But, I gave you the energy numbers earlier so it'll show you're just trying to be cute.


Yeah, it is a proper hunting round, most states allow it for deer hunting, and a few for bear and moose, and some of those .223s will shoot the 5.56 without wrecking the gun, some will handle it but wear out quickly, higher pressures, still and all, about what we use to hunt humans with, innit?

And we killed a lot of humans with them.

Allowing a .223 for bear hunting is government assisted suicide.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:40:56 AM   
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In the wake of which, Australia instituted wide-spread gun reform, a 300 million buy-back program and banned semi-automatic weapons. We implemented gun control and it worked. Period. Which is why the USA seems fucking insane.


What was the aim of gun control? Was it to reduce the amount of crime, or reduce the amount of crime committed with a gun?
Specifically to prevent massacres like Port Arthur from ever happening again. So specifically to reduce gun deaths.




So if a gun death is replaced by a knife death you belive that gun control works.

How long before Port Authur was the last massacre in Australia?
You are aware that the laws ha had virtuall no effect on the CRIME RATE there don't you?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:45:34 AM   
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Bama one again is full of shit, the security guys were armed and he swapped shots with an off duty policeman who crawled off into the bathrooms with the rest of them. Typical Bama #Epic #Fail.

BTW, where can I find the news about this off duty policemen, I can't seem to read anything about it!


Mnottertail just makes stuff up off the top of his head, within the last page he has claimed that the .223 is used for bear hunting.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:55:55 AM   
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How long before Port Authur was the last massacre in Australia?
Three months. The Hillcrest murders in which a father shot 6 of his family before turning the gun on himself.
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You are aware that the laws ha had virtually no effect on the CRIME RATE there don't you?
I'm aware that the chances of death by firearm dropped by 2/3rds and if you quote me NRA propaganda which asserted a subsequent crime spree I will mock the shit out of you.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:58:17 AM   
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Arguing about the calibre of the weapon or whether it was high-powered or low-powered or under-powered or whatever, seems a little like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or whether throwing out the washing-up water is regarded as work on shabat. Does it really matter if it was a 22 pea-rifle or a bloody 25 pounder howitzer ? 49 people ( human beings) died and lot more are hurt and in pain all because some nut decided he wanted his 30 seconds of fame.
It was also pointed out that though gun crimes went down in Australia, violent crimes may have gone up ( I am unsure of that but will accept your statement), but which would you prefer ......................a punch in the head or a 9 mm in the head ? And yes, I know, a punch in the head CAN kill but it's very unusual if that 9 mm DOESN'T.

It does when countering the propagada intent of the words used.
Thier argument about the .223 reminds me a a 20/20 piece during the debate over the early 90s "assault weapons ban" (another deliberate misnomer).
The proclaimed that one reason "the guns that look like assualt weapons" band (a more accurate name for it) is because they are so powerful.
They then show an AR blowing watermelons to pieces. Problem was that due to the following lawsuit it revealed with creative editing. In the film acctually showing the watermelon being hit by th .223 the viewer had to be told when the bullet hit the melon. They got the effect they wanted by splicing film of the man shooting with film of the melons being struck with a 30-06. Every time this comes up the gun grabbers repeat this and other pieces of propaganda to make people afraid of firearms.

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