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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 1:45:42 PM   
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and here we merrily go...let me cite an example & of figures I am prepared to take at face value

Bloomberg stated half a million defensive uses of firearms a year, but when they realized that they had told the truth for once they removed it from thier site. The FBI extimated the number at over a million.

How many died by guns in the USA
How many died in the UK

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 1:52:52 PM   
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There is a great citation that proved Fermat's last theorem centuries ago: The margin was to small to contain it.



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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 2:04:28 PM   
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I would show you one member but then I'd have to kill ya.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 2:07:29 PM   
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I would show you one member but then I'd have to kill ya.

I can show you two.
Robert Dowlut
Harlon Carter



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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 2:08:42 PM   
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Good Lord, it's a good thing I have my depends on...

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 2:10:10 PM   
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It's not my problem if your heavy drinking of an evening effects your bladder, dear.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 2:15:44 PM   
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let us say wicked will decide on this figure, as they are impossible to come by, like the might of his peni

Death by gun in America 35 000 souls per annum. Will any of you argue with that. I have chose the median of all I can ever find. we all know I round up my 2 incher

35000 souls. And?

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 2:26:50 PM   
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35 000 deaths I like when you lot tackle the actual issues at hand sad face

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 2:47:33 PM   
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35 000 deaths I like when you lot tackle the actual issues at hand sad face


I concur.....

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 3:20:23 PM   
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Ah, the back door's leaking not the front one, then.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 3:49:58 PM   
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Ah, the back door's leaking not the front one, then.


Better a shart attack then a heart attack. But for the record I really don't wear depends yet.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 3:55:03 PM   
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and here we merrily go...let me cite an example & of figures I am prepared to take at face value

Bloomberg stated half a million defensive uses of firearms a year, but when they realized that they had told the truth for once they removed it from thier site. The FBI extimated the number at over a million.

How many died by guns in the USA
How many died in the UK

When you do a before and after comparison you find that we are gaining ground on you every year.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 4:00:14 PM   
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as the UK figures are down too, I dont think so

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 8:35:55 PM   
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as the UK figures are down too, I dont think so


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/england-wales-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime

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The number of homicides in England and Wales rose by 71 to 574 in the 12 months to September 2015 - an increase of 14% fuelled by rises in knife and gun crime, official statistics show.

The rise in the number of homicides brings to an end a decade in which the murder rate in England and Wales has been falling despite the continued growth in the population.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 9:38:04 PM   
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as the UK figures are down too, I dont think so


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/england-wales-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime

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The number of homicides in England and Wales rose by 71 to 574 in the 12 months to September 2015 - an increase of 14% fuelled by rises in knife and gun crime, official statistics show.

The rise in the number of homicides brings to an end a decade in which the murder rate in England and Wales has been falling despite the continued growth in the population.

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Funny how some people think that because thier numbers are improving that someone elses can't be improving even more.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 10:04:55 PM   
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I stand corrected, however I do prefer actual stats from the actual statistical sites(like the FBI and the UKHO), not a newspaper. but yeah you both might wanna check out the murder figures burst in the US. Remember last year? I admit..I was discussing 2014 legitimate figures not 2015, because the FBI only uses figures up to June last year and there fore not accurate.....
but hey, Im sure there are plenty of links out there showing the leap in murders.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/murders-20-2015-year-to-year-comparison-nypd-article-1.2134509
Murders up 20% in 2015 in year-to-year comparison, NYPD says

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/murder-rates-rising-sharply-in-many-us-cities.html?_r=0

MILWAUKEE — Cities across the nation are seeing a startling rise in murders after years of declines, and few places have witnessed a shift as precipitous as this city. With the summer not yet over, 104 people have been killed this year — after 86 homicides in all of 2014.

More than 30 other cities have also reported increases in violence from a year ago. In New Orleans, 120 people had been killed by late August, compared with 98 during the same period a year earlier. In Baltimore, homicides had hit 215, up from 138 at the same point in 2014. In Washington, the toll was 105, compared with 73 people a year ago. And in St. Louis, 136 people had been killed this year, a 60 percent rise from the 85 murders the city had by the same time last year.

Murders Are Up in Many U.S. Cities Again This Year
http://time.com/4329688/murder-rate-u-s-cities-increase-2016/
New data points to 2016 as even deadlier than 2015

Major cities across the U.S. have experienced a surge in homicides in recent months, continuing a grim rise that began last year.

Murders are up in roughly 30 cities nationwide so far in 2016, according to data released by the Major Cities Chiefs Association on Friday. Nearly half of the cities surveyed showed increases in homicides in the first quarter of this year compared with 2015, when the murder rate in many U.S. cities rose after decades of decline. The data paints a varied picture: some cities have experienced a slight rise in murders, others have seen declines, while nearly a dozen metropolitan areas–including Chicago, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Memphis, Nashville, and San Antonio–have had sizable increases.

oh and just in case you would like those stats from the FBI, you can find them at https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/preliminary-semiannual-uniform-crime-report-januaryjune-2015/tables/table-3

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/22/2016 11:37:42 PM   
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as the UK figures are down too, I dont think so


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/england-wales-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime

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The number of homicides in England and Wales rose by 71 to 574 in the 12 months to September 2015 - an increase of 14% fuelled by rises in knife and gun crime, official statistics show.

The rise in the number of homicides brings to an end a decade in which the murder rate in England and Wales has been falling despite the continued growth in the population.

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Funny how some people think that because thier numbers are improving that someone elses can't be improving even more.

Funny how nutsuckers attribute these things to their felching hallucinations though. Not to facts and real world events.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/23/2016 12:27:18 AM   
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Beat me to it Ron.

He spouts this crap every time and never comes up with ANY creditable citation for it.



And neither does he.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/23/2016 12:30:04 AM   
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As oppossed to what you sat, and no doubt believe, firearms are used to prevent far more crimes than they are used to commit.


There is absolutely no proof of that, by credible citation.

Other than the FBI, CDC, Bloomberg, and several other studies. But of course those are only credible sources if they agree with you.


The CDC?

Didn't the Nutcase with Rifles Association lobby for a ban on them studying gun violence?

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence

Why I think they did!

The CDC verified the validity of the FBI's estimate of 1 million plus defensive firearms uses per year, and no I don't know whythey thought it was their business either. They did not do the study, but they verified the FBI figures.


Yup, I remember they stuck it right up Obama's ass.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/23/2016 12:45:47 AM   
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The Myth of Defensive Gun Use

**Note – This article appeared in Politico on 1/14/2015

In the early hours of Nov. 2, 2013, in Dearborn Heights, Michigan, a pounding at the door startled Theodore Wafer from his slumber. Unable to find his cell phone to call the police, he grabbed the shotgun he kept loaded in his closet. Wafer opened the door and, spotting a dark figure behind the screen, fired a single blast at the supposed intruder. The shot killed a 19-year-old girl who was knocking to ask for help after a car accident.

Shortly after midnight on June 5, 2014, two friends left a party briefly. Upon returning they accidently knocked on the wrong door. Believing burglars were breaking in, the frightened homeowner called the police, grabbed his gun and fired a single round, hitting one of the confused party-goers in the chest.

On Sept. 21, 2014, Eusebio Christian was awakened by a noise. Assuming a break-in, he rushed to the kitchen with his gun and began firing. All his shots missed but one, which struck his wife in the face.

What do these and so many other cases have in common? They are the byproduct of a tragic myth: that millions of gun owners successfully use their firearms to defend themselves and their families from criminals. Despite having nearly no academic support in public health literature, this myth is the single largest motivation behind gun ownership. It traces its origin to a two-decade-old series of surveys that, despite being thoroughly repudiated at the time, persists in influencing personal safety decisions and public policy throughout the United States.

In 1992, Gary Kleck and Marc Getz, criminologists at Florida State University, conducted a random digit-dial survey to establish the annual number of defensive gun uses in the United States. They surveyed 5,000 individuals, asking them if they had used a firearm in self-defense in the past year and, if so, for what reason and to what effect. Sixty-six incidences of defensive gun use were reported from the sample. The researchers then extrapolated their findings to the entire U.S. population, resulting in an estimate of between 1 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year.

The claim has since become gospel for gun advocates and is frequently touted by the National Rifle Association, pro-gun scholars such as John Lott and conservative politicians. The argument typically goes something like this: Guns are used defensively “over 2 million times every year—five times more frequently than the 430,000 times guns were used to commit crimes.” Or, as Gun Owners of America states, “firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.” Former Republican Sen. Rick Santorum has frequently opined on the benefits of defensive gun use, explaining: “In fact, there are millions of lives that are saved in America every year, or millions of instances like that where gun owners have prevented crimes and stopped things from happening because of having guns at the scene.”

It may sound reassuring, but is utterly false. In fact, gun owners are far more likely to end up like Theodore Wafer or Eusebio Christian, accidentally shooting an innocent person or seeing their weapons harm a family member, than be heroes warding off criminals.
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Original story
http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-defensive-gun-use-myth/
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http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-defensive-gun-use-myth/


This is partly because we breed so many criminals, and when people are afraid of criminals that does not mean they are paranoid.

however they also lack common sense. Criminals do not usually knock on your door, they kick it down. They bust a window and are already in there. I will admit that if someone came banging on the door at four in the morning I would grab my gun. But I would not just up and shoot them.

I don't really know what to say, people are so fuck ass stupid anymore. The media shows as much crime as they can, i concert with the government wanting more money for law enforcement. They get tricked into thinking they will get mugged if they open the fucking door. The person was KNOCKING on the door. Loudly perhaps because it was late and people were sleeping, but god damn. To just shoot blindly ?

So the guy has a loaded gun pointed at him and says "Can I use a phone, my car just died and my cellphone is dead for some reason and I need to call Triple A".

But burglars do not knock. How much can people not have this much common sense ? I know people do not have common sense anymore but it is really getting bad these days.

After I am dead, turn in your guns. By then people will be too fucking stupid to use them. Or to not know when NOT to use them. But as long as I am alive I retain all my rights.

And anyone who says (thompsonx) that I do not deserve the right to have gun, try and come get it motherfucker, and that goes for everyone. That will be the last day of my life, and yours. Stop on by, I'll give you the address.

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