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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/7/2006 10:20:17 PM

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Go Israel!!! ...and don't quit until Hezbollah is incapable of lobbing anything..

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/7/2006 10:37:52 PM

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amastermind,
I backed off from this thread when it became apparant that EnglishDomNW like MstrTiger has a closed mind, can never admit to any arrors or even consider that others have valid views too. Instead he posts lengthy post after post nit picking at every point which doesn't sit well with him from his bunker and when in doubts turns the heat up into catty comments or flames.. It is absolutely pointless to debate the smallest matter including the time of day with people like this.

Thet have not evolved sufficiently to agree to disagree but revert to a form of school yard bully boy tacts trying to over power all oposition and have all those left agreeing with them.... Better to just wish them merry poart and ignore them for the rest of the time.. One day if enough do this they will go and find another sand box to play in...

At least I have a point of view and an opinion, IronBear. If you spent as much time acquiring one rather than juvenile "sandbox" comments, your contribution would be received like an adult. I don't claim my opinion is right but I don't lower myself into cheap and childish personal insults simply because I'm out of my depth on a particular topic.

You are wrong as usual. However If I choose to debate matters such as philosophy, psychology, magick, comparative religions or even military tactics I chose when, where and with whom I discuss and debate such matters with. Rarely I open forums and often face to face with people who I know and am known by and who have academic or professional status in the topic. There are part of my circle of friends. In CM other than Gorean matters, I choose to debate tongue in cheek and in a light hearted vein and never with closed minded peasants... Here I prefer to enjoy the banter, give and take of camaraderie as well as gathering information and learning material.... I, at least can differentiate between that and a serious debate which never drops into flames and insults you use. My insults to you were quite deliberate and intended to show my utter and complete contempt in which I hold you here....

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/8/2006 9:03:37 AM

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I, at least can differentiate between that and a serious debate which never drops into flames and insults you use.

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My insults to you were quite deliberate and intended to show my utter and complete contempt in which I hold you here....

I guess you can't differentiate after all. Take your insults outside and play.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/8/2006 6:28:17 PM

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Hey, I'm reading the subject for longtime, and you look at the first who make a rigth (for me) analisis of the situation. In fact, Palestine, as a nation have been used as excuse for lots of things, by arab gouvernments or by western governments. None of them seems to care about Palestinians, but they use-it. The only (is not small :-) thing I disagree with you is the point of view from where you start your analisis. But is true anyway. Is all by, and because the petrol. I wonder how people will live in the US if you'll ad to pay the gas like us in Europe...

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/8/2006 6:32:03 PM

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Guess it is time to invest an a few horses or camels and land enough to support them and live locally with solar and wind generation for power.. Sounds good to me though....

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 12:10:21 AM

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You tell 'em, Rolf

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 12:47:54 AM

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Interestingly and if we are looking at the wider economic issues and especially with oil prices hitting overseas markets as well as the reduction of Alaskan Oil etc driving up petrol prices, my comments abourt alternative transport and other things is not as silly as it sounds, however we also have our Federal Govt thinking about cash rebates to all those who convert their automibiles from petrol to natural gas. We certainly have an excess of this from our own oil fields.. Our greatest problem is water so I would guess that land on the ocean and the ability to set up a desalination plant would be smart too.. It would be interesting to see the international reaction to the Middle East situation generally if an economical alternative to oil fuels were found so there was much less reliance on the oil flowing from there.... Just an idle thought whilst cooking the evening meal...

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 3:02:07 AM

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"Tie me kangaroo down, sport"

Illegal in so many ways.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 3:41:43 AM

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Nothing in my post is illegal according to Australian Law....

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 4:35:27 AM

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LOL nevermind

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 5:24:04 AM

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Do I have the right to sock you in the face after you pulled my tit? Does it matter? It was done, right or wrong. The Israelis have been bad-asses since ... well ... FOREVER. If ya didn't see this one coming ... Lord ...

If a bully constantly takes your lunch money, and you constantly give him your lunch money, other bullies come along and want things of you. Eventually you will either (a) hide all the time and accomplish nothing and have no lunch money, no shoes, no coat; or (b) buck up and kick some booty. It is a small generalization to the global community but still an appropriate analogy. Nobody respects a coward (although everybody sure will use one until it's no longer useful).

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 7:01:11 AM

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Since there are 1,000 arabs for every Jew, Israel would have to kill 1000 arabs to keep things proportional.

That's an odd and bloodthirsty calculus that you have. Certainly it's true that the Israelis have been killing Palestinians at a rate of roughly 10:1 of the reverse carnage. Maybe the Israeli government thinks the same way that you do.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 7:10:45 AM

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General response ...

Maybe we can quickly push a bandaid resolution to this, in order to stop the fighting today.

What a great idea!!! Then we can do this again five years from now, with nuclear weapons.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 7:32:46 AM

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The alternative to that is to believe one side is going to irreversibly crush the other. If anyone seriously believes that will happen, they're deluding themselves. Israel isn't going to be defeated by Hezbollah and Hezbollah's support has probably increased a hundredfold among the people who've lost their homes or families in Southern Lebanon.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 6:55:11 PM

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EnglishDomNW,

You remind me of a line from the American sit-com "All in the Family" when meathead said to Archie, "You know you really surprise me. You are much more ignorant than I thought."

Unfortunately, you have succeeded in completely polluting what was an interesting thread.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 9:40:52 PM

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Mel Gibson is responsible for all the wars in the world. We should really take all this up with him.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 10:53:41 PM

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EnglishDomNW,

You remind me of a line from the American sit-com "All in the Family" when meathead said to Archie, "You know you really surprise me. You are much more ignorant than I thought."

Unfortunately, you have succeeded in completely polluting what was an interesting thread.

That's interesting because you remind me of a Jack Russell that gets hold of someones pants leg and won't stop humping until the leg shakes.

At least bring a Kleenex with you next time. Or at least, an opinion of your own rather than just the automatic contradiction of whatever I said last.

(I notice you didn't respond to my earlier post to you, by the way. I wonder why that was)

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/9/2006 11:43:10 PM

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Israel is like the bully fighting a girl. To win, Israel has to beat the living shit out of Hezbollah or it is a loss for Israel. All Hezbollah has to do is avoid being destroyed by Israel and they win. They will emerge more popular, more powerful, and more influential than ever. Not only that, it will destroy the myth that Israel is omnipotent and encourage and embolden others to attack Israel.

Smart generals pick and choose their battles, history is replete with victorious generals and victorious countries winning their way to defeat.

They have made the same mistake we did in invading Iraq. They did not have a clear game plan and they are paying dearly for it. They will inflict great and horrible damage on Hezbollah, but that is not victory and the Arab world will see that.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/10/2006 8:04:18 AM

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Israel is like the bully fighting a girl. To win, Israel has to beat the living shit out of Hezbollah or it is a loss for Israel. All Hezbollah has to do is avoid being destroyed by Israel and they win. They will emerge more popular, more powerful, and more influential than ever. Not only that, it will destroy the myth that Israel is omnipotent and encourage and embolden others to attack Israel.

Smart generals pick and choose their battles, history is replete with victorious generals and victorious countries winning their way to defeat.

They have made the same mistake we did in invading Iraq. They did not have a clear game plan and they are paying dearly for it. They will inflict great and horrible damage on Hezbollah, but that is not victory and the Arab world will see that.

I agree with your analogy of a bully fighting a girl, and agree with the conditions for victory that you outlined. Where we part company is that I believe the victory conditions will be met. This doesn't mean I'm a defacto supporter of Israel ... it only means that I think they are the stronger, and I believe the intent of "Big Brother" is to let the two parties fight this one out.

The relationship between Egypt and Israel suggests that peace can be accomplished. Things came to a head between those two, and each determined that it was no longer in their best interest to continue shooting at each other. I believe this is a valid goal and can be accomplished.

I really don't see the comparison between this situation and the conflict in Iraq. To me, we invented an enemy in Iraq, for reasons that are probably unknown to most, outside a very inner circle. No matter how you feel about them, Israel and Hezbollah clearly have a real enemy in each other, and a clear mandate from their supporters to destroy that enemy.

Thank you for your post CD ... I always enjoy your point of view.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 8/10/2006 10:19:50 AM

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Caitlyn, I agree with you on the nuclear weapons.
Let's just hope it is the West that pulls the trigger first.

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