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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 10:20:48 AM   
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I wrote about a thousand victims, not just this one. Besides, wasn't this the case where the police received a call of a man acting strangely? Maybe they should have considered him as possibly mentally ill.


I stated that because initially the sister was claiming that he was "mentally challenged" - his mother has since come out and said that he wasn't.

Considering his past, he was likely high.


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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 10:22:15 AM   
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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 10:28:01 AM   
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As I explained in my previous post, he has no right to life.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 10:47:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Maybe they should have considered him as possibly mentally ill."

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed the shooter's stance.
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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 10:47:50 AM   
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I wrote about a thousand victims, not just this one. Besides, wasn't this the case where the police received a call of a man acting strangely? Maybe they should have considered him as possibly mentally ill.



Vincent, while I am quite used to you taking the side of anyone but the police, the man in question pulled something out of his pocket and took a shooting stance and 'aimed' the object at an officer.

No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun.

The officer did exactly as any cop, soldier, or properly trained individual would to, he fired his weapon.

Now, if you are advocating that in a situation such as this, that the officer wait and see if it is a gun (which means the cop has to wait and see if he gets shot) then you are either an idiot, or worse.

As I said before, the way these people are protesting, given the photographic evidence, every cop in that town should fucking resign, and the state should pull every law enforcement agency out of the place.

Leave em without any police protection.

I agree that cops that shoot an unarmed person without reason need to be punished, in this case there was reason to suspect the officer was in danger, in that instant before the shots were fired.

This is fucking bullshit, blame the cop when there was no way in hell he could know what was being pointed at him was not a gun.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 10:56:56 AM   
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This is fucking bullshit, blame the cop when there was no way in hell he could know what was being pointed at him was not a gun.


Especially since the victim has had a previous firearm conviction and drug conviction.



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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 11:05:53 AM   
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Look at he photo from police video


As a former cop, I see someone take that stance and point anything at me when I was a cop, I would have dropped him as fast as I could squeeze the trigger.

Sorry people, but there is no way in hell that guy was not trying to get dropped.


As for shooting below the knee, as a poster stated from the UK, there is just a great a chance of hitting a major artery in the leg or even the arm and it being a fatal shot as firing center mass.

A person with a major arterial bleed can bleed out in 4 minutes or less.

And since this dumb ass took that stance, I dont give a flying fuck what the people in that city say, black, white or fucking purple, there is no officer anywhere in the United States that is going to hesitate waiting to find out if what is being pointed at him is a gun, or a vape device.

Or better yet, how about this?

We have officers wait to see if it really is a gun, and if it turns out to be a gun, then you go to that officers home, tell his widow and kids that he waited a split second too long to make fucking sure that guy was not armed, and it turned out that he was and now you get a nice funeral and a flag.


This was, with the pic as evidence, a clean shoot. And if the people in that community want to bitch and protest, every cop working there should fucking quit and tell those stupid fucks they are on their own.

Not to mention shooting at the lower leg is going to bounce bullets all around, through cars and walls. That's good advice.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 11:31:13 AM   
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Vincent, while I am quite used to you taking the side of anyone but the police, the man in question pulled something out of his pocket and took a shooting stance and 'aimed' the object at an officer.

And, Jeff, I am quite used to you taking the side of the police. But, I do not take that personally.

We seem to have a problem when there are more than 1000 police shooting victims in a year, and 25% of those victims are mentally distraught.

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Now, if you are advocating that in a situation such as this, that the officer wait and see if it is a gun (which means the cop has to wait and see if he gets shot) then you are either an idiot, or worse.


Ah well, I am neither, TYVM. In this case, pending release of the full video, it seems foolish the police exposed themselves to a man walking erratically in the middle of the street. Weren't you trained to take cover?

Osidegirl The vic's previous record is irrelevant since the police presumably were unaware of it.


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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 12:38:56 PM   
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As I explained in my previous post, he has no right to life.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.



Have you told that to the gubblmint? please do.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 1:00:56 PM   
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No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun.





now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance.

The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276

Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him.

His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html






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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 1:23:49 PM   
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Osidegirl The vic's previous record is irrelevant since the police presumably were unaware of it.



They had contact with the sister when they arrived, she provided the name and they ran him.

So, not irrelevant.


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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 1:49:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jeff Davis, the El Cajon police chief, said the man was not armed, adding Olango ignored calls to remove his hands from his pockets and pulled out an object.

the nitwits want to have this story both ways. which is the truth?

Davis said one officer used a stun-gun against him while another fired his weapon because they felt threatened.

the fact that the victim felt threatened is not relevant.

So many other options that COULD have been used, nope options to HELP are not an option


another case of US gubmint mentality:







Its the same bullshit as when idjit cops throw themselves in front of a moving car then claim attempted murder. worse the corrupt courts uphold it instead of saying hey you ignorant fuckwit stand in front of my car so I can run your other foot over! I'd make the fuckwit pay for damages just to drive the point home.

There is a limit where one duty becomes subject to another.

clearly the guy needed a social worker, not a gestapo assasination squad.








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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 2:06:22 PM   
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As I explained in my previous post, he has no right to life.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


That is in the Declaraqtion Of Independence. It is not in the Constitution nor Bill Of Rights and therefore is not law.

What's more if you read a little further you see that the deprivation of these rights can come by a conviction for a crime, or actually breaking into my house. You have these rights in the Declaration by implication. Now it does say that you cannot be deprived of these right without due process, and that is why if I shoot a burglar dumb enough to break in here that they cannot put me in jail or execute me without a trial. He is already dead, and since he was was here his guilt is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. He CAN be deprived of his right to life under those circumstances. If you don't like it there are plenty of other countries.

The supreme court has ruled and therefore it is the law of the land. Castle Law Doctrine and Stand Your Ground are end of story. Criminals no longer have rights when they threaten innocent people. They have rights when there is doubt as to their guilt, to have a trial and all that, but if my window is broken and my dresser drawers are all pulled out and there is someone I never met in the house, he has no right to life anymore. That applies to humans and people who cross a certain line are animals. Put them down. And in court, if you really get dragged into court, tell their Mama to send their brothers down and eventually they won't have to cook as much.

I find it hard to believe that cops just shoot these people because they are Black. I am against them getting a paid vacation for killing. I think the thing to do is to just remove the on/off button from those cameras so that just like people who work at Walmart for example, they are watched all the time. they make ten times the fucking money and are supposed to be public servants. In fact I think there should be video of politicians ion their office, or at least audio.

And we got all kinds of emails missing but for 18½ minutes of tape erased, that Nixon WAS NOT COMPELLED TO RECORD they impeached him. But Hillary Clinton did no wrong.

And cops, a few years ago somehow the cameras got turned off and guy who was handcuffed behind the back shot himself with his own gun, IN THE FRONT. Some kid who got picked up on some stupid misdemeanor warrant for not paying a fine for trespassing or littering or something. No investigation. Much.

I know there are a bunch of crooked ones but the fact is to realize that they can kill you. And they can get away with it. If I set my mind to it I could, but they got like a license.

We need cameras on them all the time, you are on the clock mister, WORK. And we need public access to these videos and I will tell you what, White people are not all bigots and you might just see some joining BLM if too much of that type of shit goes on. You know the NAACP was not founded by Black people right ?

Just like anyone, cops should not be shooting anyone who is not going to shoot or hurt them. We got that. But they are behind that thin blue lie and followers of BLM and Sharpton don't realize, Whites break the law as well, in fact more. We just get caught less because we know howw not to leave evidence.

Well actually there was that White guy who robbed a liquor store, took the money and then wanted a bottle of booze and the clerk carded him and got his name but that level of stupidity is pretty rare. We'll have to put him down for a Darwin award.

When you talk to a cop, just assume he has a gun pointed right at your face at all times ad you'll be fine. Actually I ad a few friends of mine can easily outshoot most cops but that is not the point, it is too much hassle. As soon as he comes up to the car window, consider yourself "under the gun".

Yeah, that's what that means.

Not saying it is right, but that is how it is.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 2:27:37 PM   
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I have actually considered that situation. I think i could live with it, this is a fairly decent hood here and I haven't seen a cop car, well I been here like five years and I have seen a cop car on this street twice. And we do not call them. You only call the cops if your car or REGISTERED gun gets stolen. The rest just hurts your property value, even though here nothing has happened. At the old place we had two cars and two guns stolen. Actually we got the cars back.

We got people like Sharpton egging these people on. Yeah, cops should wait until they get shot. I wouldn't. Why the fuck should they ?

But there are still the crooked ones. Bigoted and almost in a race war. Seriously, I have known a few. (but WTF do you expect me to do about it ?)

Those are the ones who endanger the good cops. The good cops need to stop covering for them. The cameras will help, but if they decide which footage to release instead of the thing in toto, and have all the investigations internal to the department it does no good.

None of us are saying that all police shootings are wrong. the gun control freaks might hear it that way but you know how they are, they hear what they want to hear. But the crooked cops really got to go. And i mean to jail, not to be an armed security at a drugstore.

Many years ago I was told by someone who worked at a drugstore that the security guard noticed this old guy's hedlights were out aqd wouldn't let him leave. Made the old guy go in and buy headlights which didn't wwork because they never go out at the exact same time.

I told her that fucking rent-a-cop would be laying in a pool of blood. Her husband said "and you would be in jail" and I siad "He would still be fucking dead". He is not law enforcement and unless someone shoplifted he does not have the authority to detain someone for a driving violation. Even if he did something in the store. The rent-a-cop was not enabled to enforce traffic laws and as far as I am concerned he extorted that money for the new headlights from that old guy.

I would have just got in the car and drove away, but he got in front of the car. I would have said "I am warning you once, twice, and the third time hit the fucking gas. He has NO RIGHT to do that.

OK, enough. Nice little anecdote but getting off topic. But one last thing. that is unlawful detention which is a felony. that old guy had every right to kill that rent-a-cop on the spot. And to drive away.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 2:57:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you.

It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 4:08:41 PM   
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Osidegirl The vic's previous record is irrelevant since the police presumably were unaware of it.



They had contact with the sister when they arrived, she provided the name and they ran him.

So, not irrelevant.


How do you know all that, OG, with such certitude?

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 4:13:03 PM   
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HERE

Just hours ago, the reported sister of a man mentally challenged, called police to 'help' her brother. They 'helped' him alright.

Police said the man, walking disoriented in the middle of the street, put his hands together as if holding something maybe a firearm they added and turned toward them. Police claimed he “rapidly drew an object from his front pants pocket, placed both hands together and extended them rapidly toward the officer taking up what appeared to be a shooting stance.”

The alleged sister told reporters that is not true at all, he did not reach for anything, was holding his hands apart and up.

Another eye witness told reporters that he did not see the man reach for anything, turned holding his hands away from his body out to his side.

Seems from this info. the first two police showed some restraint. And the according the above witness, another cop showed up, got out of car and immediately shot and killed the man.

Why not, seems likely the police can make up a story and get away with it.


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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 4:16:03 PM   
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Osidegirl The vic's previous record is irrelevant since the police presumably were unaware of it.



They had contact with the sister when they arrived, she provided the name and they ran him.

So, not irrelevant.


How do you know all that, OG, with such certitude?

I asked.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 4:37:19 PM   
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Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you.

It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy.

Olango was moving sideways . . first to the right of the view and then to the left. It seems to me he had his arms out and spread wide. The cop followed him. Olango then moved back to the left of the view (his right) and the officer followed. They went back and forth like that, the range getting shorter.
This was in a PARKING LOT, not in the street as reported. I believe you can clearly see the vic's arms spread wide. The second officer appears from Olango's left. So, they have him in front of the truck. Looks like they had him cornered and he tried to protect himself with his vape. The cop was three feet in front of the vape. He couldn't see it was not a gun?

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 9/30/2016 4:55:44 PM   
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Another thing to keep in mind, and has been mentioned, if you are forced to pull your gun on someone the intent is to KILL them. Not scare them. Not disable them. Not wing them in the leg. Fucking kill them.


Forced? This is part of the problem. Over 1000 people were shot and killed by police in 2015 and of those about 25% were mentally ill. Some were veterans suffering from PTSD. Many were shot near their homes after the police were called by family members seeking help getting medical treatment for their loved ones, not to kill them.

Funds to help the mentally ill have been cut back more than 30% in Reagan's America. Cops spend way more time on the gun range practicing shoot to kill than they do training for confrontations with the mentally distraught.

Almost always the victims are males, disproportionately black, ranging up to age 86, and nine out of ten were armed, but often armed with toy guns or some kinds of knife blades which are rarely a threat to cops.

Cops are trained to take control of a scene when they arrive. They do this by shouting harsh commands which further aggravates the mentally distraught instead of acting to de-escalate the situation.

Clearly we need more help for the mentally ill and better training for the police.

survey of police shooting victims in 2015



And how many people were arrested in 2015? If you are going to tell us how many were killed you need to tell us out of how many for it to make a point.

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