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Look at he photo from police video


As a former cop, I see someone take that stance and point anything at me when I was a cop, I would have dropped him as fast as I could squeeze the trigger.

Sorry people, but there is no way in hell that guy was not trying to get dropped.


As for shooting below the knee, as a poster stated from the UK, there is just a great a chance of hitting a major artery in the leg or even the arm and it being a fatal shot as firing center mass.

A person with a major arterial bleed can bleed out in 4 minutes or less.

And since this dumb ass took that stance, I dont give a flying fuck what the people in that city say, black, white or fucking purple, there is no officer anywhere in the United States that is going to hesitate waiting to find out if what is being pointed at him is a gun, or a vape device.

Or better yet, how about this?

We have officers wait to see if it really is a gun, and if it turns out to be a gun, then you go to that officers home, tell his widow and kids that he waited a split second too long to make fucking sure that guy was not armed, and it turned out that he was and now you get a nice funeral and a flag.


This was, with the pic as evidence, a clean shoot. And if the people in that community want to bitch and protest, every cop working there should fucking quit and tell those stupid fucks they are on their own.

Not to mention shooting at the lower leg is going to bounce bullets all around, through cars and walls. That's good advice.

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No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun.

now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance.

The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276

Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him.

His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html

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Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you.

It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy.

Olango was moving sideways . . first to the right of the view and then to the left. It seems to me he had his arms out and spread wide. The cop followed him. Olango then moved back to the left of the view (his right) and the officer followed. They went back and forth like that, the range getting shorter.
This was in a PARKING LOT, not in the street as reported. I believe you can clearly see the vic's arms spread wide. The second officer appears from Olango's left. So, they have him in front of the truck. Looks like they had him cornered and he tried to protect himself with his vape. The cop was three feet in front of the vape. He couldn't see it was not a gun?

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I wrote about a thousand victims, not just this one. Besides, wasn't this the case where the police received a call of a man acting strangely? Maybe they should have considered him as possibly mentally ill.

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Osidegirl The vic's previous record is irrelevant since the police presumably were unaware of it.

They had contact with the sister when they arrived, she provided the name and they ran him.

So, not irrelevant.

How do you know all that, OG, with such certitude?

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Look at he photo from police video


As a former cop, I see someone take that stance and point anything at me when I was a cop, I would have dropped him as fast as I could squeeze the trigger.

Sorry people, but there is no way in hell that guy was not trying to get dropped.


As for shooting below the knee, as a poster stated from the UK, there is just a great a chance of hitting a major artery in the leg or even the arm and it being a fatal shot as firing center mass.

A person with a major arterial bleed can bleed out in 4 minutes or less.

And since this dumb ass took that stance, I dont give a flying fuck what the people in that city say, black, white or fucking purple, there is no officer anywhere in the United States that is going to hesitate waiting to find out if what is being pointed at him is a gun, or a vape device.

Or better yet, how about this?

We have officers wait to see if it really is a gun, and if it turns out to be a gun, then you go to that officers home, tell his widow and kids that he waited a split second too long to make fucking sure that guy was not armed, and it turned out that he was and now you get a nice funeral and a flag.


This was, with the pic as evidence, a clean shoot. And if the people in that community want to bitch and protest, every cop working there should fucking quit and tell those stupid fucks they are on their own.

Not to mention shooting at the lower leg is going to bounce bullets all around, through cars and walls. That's good advice.

Official policy in the UK is to shot to stop. That means shooting to the torso.

Not sure whether the individual who posted about shooting to the legs was part of a team who did things differently, but all recent police shootings where it was suspected that the suspect had a gun involved shots to the torso to "stop" (not to kill as has been alleged, although a shot to the torso does carry that risk).

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No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun.

now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance.

The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276

Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him.

His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html

Not sure about all of the above post but you can't help wondering whether some of the recent US police shootings could have been avoided by taking cover and de-escalating the situation.

One advantage of police on patrol not having weapons is that they have to relay on other skills to protect themselves and public safety. I can't blame someone for reacting to having something which looks like a weapon pointed at them by taking a shot, but I just wonder about the sub-conscious expectation the police have about how situations will develop and the effect it has on what you do, especially in terms of escalation and the connection between your brain and your trigger finger.

Recent experiments in the US have shown that both black and white police officers are more likely to take a shot when the person they are dealing with is an unarmed black man compared to an unarmed white man. The effect of the race of the subject along with training, preparation and sub-conscious expectations is clearly a complex issue.

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Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you.

It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy.

Olango was moving sideways . . first to the right of the view and then to the left. It seems to me he had his arms out and spread wide. The cop followed him. Olango then moved back to the left of the view (his right) and the officer followed. They went back and forth like that, the range getting shorter.
This was in a PARKING LOT, not in the street as reported. I believe you can clearly see the vic's arms spread wide. The second officer appears from Olango's left. So, they have him in front of the truck. Looks like they had him cornered and he tried to protect himself with his vape. The cop was three feet in front of the vape. He couldn't see it was not a gun?

video

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you.

It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy.

Olango was moving sideways . . first to the right of the view and then to the left. It seems to me he had his arms out and spread wide. The cop followed him. Olango then moved back to the left of the view (his right) and the officer followed. They went back and forth like that, the range getting shorter.
This was in a PARKING LOT, not in the street as reported. I believe you can clearly see the vic's arms spread wide. The second officer appears from Olango's left. So, they have him in front of the truck. Looks like they had him cornered and he tried to protect himself with his vape. The cop was three feet in front of the vape. He couldn't see it was not a gun?

video

When he took a shooting stance and pointed something at the officer that took the shot, all of that went out the fucking window.

But hey, who cares right, the cop was wrong and therefore should be crucified. If it had been a gun, the cop might be dead, then no one would give a fuck, especially the fools who seem to think that somebody taking a shooting stance probably does not have a gun, and the cop should have done nothing.

Once they got the name from the sister, they would have run for priors, standard procedure, gives the officers on the scene some idea of who and what they are dealing with.

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Osidegirl The vic's previous record is irrelevant since the police presumably were unaware of it.

They had contact with the sister when they arrived, she provided the name and they ran him.

So, not irrelevant.

How do you know all that, OG, with such certitude?

How do you know that it isn't true with any certitude, she lives at ground zero and there it a good chance she has more information than most of us.

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Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you.

It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy.

Olango was moving sideways . . first to the right of the view and then to the left. It seems to me he had his arms out and spread wide. The cop followed him. Olango then moved back to the left of the view (his right) and the officer followed. They went back and forth like that, the range getting shorter.
This was in a PARKING LOT, not in the street as reported. I believe you can clearly see the vic's arms spread wide. The second officer appears from Olango's left. So, they have him in front of the truck. Looks like they had him cornered and he tried to protect himself with his vape. The cop was three feet in front of the vape. He couldn't see it was not a gun?

video

When he took a shooting stance and pointed something at the officer that took the shot, all of that went out the fucking window.

But hey, who cares right, the cop was wrong and therefore should be crucified. If it had been a gun, the cop might be dead, then no one would give a fuck, especially the fools who seem to think that somebody taking a shooting stance probably does not have a gun, and the cop should have done nothing.

Once they got the name from the sister, they would have run for priors, standard procedure, gives the officers on the scene some idea of who and what they are dealing with.

The police took 50 minutes to arrive on the scene, so no emergency apparently. Looks like the shooter cop stalked the hands up victim left and right and back again. Going to his right the cop already had his gun out in his left hand. On the way back toward the truck it looks to me like the cop is pointing his gun at the vic, who had his hands up. Then they boxed him in. The shooter was no more than three feet from the vape. Look at the entire sequence and tell me you think that was effective police procedure.

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No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun.

now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance.

The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276

Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him.

His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html

Not sure about all of the above post but you can't help wondering whether some of the recent US police shootings could have been avoided by taking cover and de-escalating the situation.

One advantage of police on patrol not having weapons is that they have to relay on other skills to protect themselves and public safety. I can't blame someone for reacting to having something which looks like a weapon pointed at them by taking a shot, but I just wonder about the sub-conscious expectation the police have about how situations will develop and the effect it has on what you do, especially in terms of escalation and the connection between your brain and your trigger finger.

Recent experiments in the US have shown that both black and white police officers are more likely to take a shot when the person they are dealing with is an unarmed black man compared to an unarmed white man. The effect of the race of the subject along with training, preparation and sub-conscious expectations is clearly a complex issue.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

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No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun.

now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance.

The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276

Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him.

His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html

Not sure about all of the above post but you can't help wondering whether some of the recent US police shootings could have been avoided by taking cover and de-escalating the situation.

One advantage of police on patrol not having weapons is that they have to relay on other skills to protect themselves and public safety. I can't blame someone for reacting to having something which looks like a weapon pointed at them by taking a shot, but I just wonder about the sub-conscious expectation the police have about how situations will develop and the effect it has on what you do, especially in terms of escalation and the connection between your brain and your trigger finger.

Recent experiments in the US have shown that both black and white police officers are more likely to take a shot when the person they are dealing with is an unarmed black man compared to an unarmed white man. The effect of the race of the subject along with training, preparation and sub-conscious expectations is clearly a complex issue.

And how many civilians would have been killed while the cops where in hiding.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun.

now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance.

The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276

Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him.

His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html

Not sure about all of the above post but you can't help wondering whether some of the recent US police shootings could have been avoided by taking cover and de-escalating the situation.

One advantage of police on patrol not having weapons is that they have to relay on other skills to protect themselves and public safety. I can't blame someone for reacting to having something which looks like a weapon pointed at them by taking a shot, but I just wonder about the sub-conscious expectation the police have about how situations will develop and the effect it has on what you do, especially in terms of escalation and the connection between your brain and your trigger finger.

Recent experiments in the US have shown that both black and white police officers are more likely to take a shot when the person they are dealing with is an unarmed black man compared to an unarmed white man. The effect of the race of the subject along with training, preparation and sub-conscious expectations is clearly a complex issue.

ok if you want to understand whats really going on in america and why you see these constant gestapo assassinations this documentary will knock your socks off. I found nothing 'glaringly' wrong with virtually the whole documentary with one exception because its an older video and did not include the latest creemee supreemee abortion where thye gutted the 4th. There is some serious oppression coming right around the corner.

This will blow most people away because most people are completely dependant on attorneys and therefore completey ignorant of the 'real' law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiLJCyEGt4E

Here is where he explains why they escalate these stops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtnGpw0yRk

Sort of long but extremely informative and factual.

Not too long ago a friend of mine got into a fight with an agency(a), she filed a complaint with an oversight agency, I sat there grinning as she read and 'correctly' interpreted the law to the agent from the oversight agency and told them how agency(a) has no jurisdiction to enforce what they claim, the next day agency(a) apologized and went away when they realized they were on the bleeding edge of a suit that would not only cost them a shit load of money and also their scam against the people would have been exposed.

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ok if you want to understand whats really going on in america and why you see these constant gestapo assassinations this documentary will knock your socks off. I found nothing 'glaringly' wrong with virtually the whole documentary with one exception because its an older video and did not include the latest creemee supreemee abortion where thye gutted the 4th. There is some serious oppression coming right around the corner.

This will blow most people away because most people are completely dependant on attorneys and therefore completey ignorant of the 'real' law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiLJCyEGt4E

Here is where he explains why they escalate these stops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtnGpw0yRk

Sort of long but extremely informative and factual.

Not too long ago a friend of mine got into a fight with an agency(a), she filed a complaint with an oversight agency, I sat there grinning as she read and 'correctly' interpreted the law to the agent from the oversight agency and told them how agency(a) has no jurisdiction to enforce what they claim, the next day agency(a) apologized and went away when they realized they were on the bleeding edge of a suit that would not only cost them a shit load of money and also their scam against the people would have been exposed.

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Why again are officers allowed to confront suspects at all without a legal council mediator? Seems like this would resolve this issue...and make the department pay for the fees if the suspect is not convicted...they just need to stop confronting people that aren't a real threat period, I get active shooters are something different, but if they haven't shot a civilian and are of no threat to civilians, why not require legal council to be the first contact, and TV news to be there if there is a confrontation so we can get a good camera angle...