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thompsonx -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/14/2016 7:57:15 PM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 ORIGINAL: thompsonx "Their policies are ridiculous. They charged a little girl with a felony for mixing Draino and aluminum foil in a jar in the parking lot. This zero tolerance is bullshit. Yes you are posting bullshit. Why don't you post the whole story? " http://www.livescience.com/29238-bottle-bomb-felony-chargers.html For some one who has spent several pages telling us how smart he is you do not seem to know much. It was not the school. The principal and vice principal stood up for the girl. Perhapos you should consider putting your brian in gear before opening your mouth at wot. http://newsone.com/2440220/kiera-wilmot-florida-science-experiment-2/ "Assistant State Attorney Tammy Glotfelty, who advised Officer Gregory Rhoden to charge 16-year-old Kiera Wilmot with a felony, has some explaining to do. Just days after doling out a stiff charge for Kiera, Glotfelty decided not to bring any charges against White 13-year-old Taylor Richardson, who mistakenly killed his younger brother with a BB gun, because she deemed his case was a “tragic accident.” http://abcnews.go.com/US/cleared-charges-honor-student-space-camp/story?id=19236561 here, lets do a little more "Thompson look in the mirror" work: termy says "their policies are ridiculous. they charged..." which might lead one to confuse the "their" and the "they" as being the same entities. its bad writing. however, since the "they" is followed by "charged with a felony..." he can only be referring to law enforcement acting consistent with school policy. so, your saying "it was not the school" is meaningless. no duh it was not the school. school's don't charge people with felonies. For morons like yourself who refuse to read perhaps you could find an adult to help you with the big words. The cite clearly says who recomended that the police charge the girl with a felony. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. that said, the quote from your reference has nothing whatsoever to do with contradicting termy's claim that she was charged with a felony. it has to do with the same state attorney NOT charging someone else who committed, seemingly, a worse crime, because it was an accident. Try reading the whole citation dumbass. those two small things out of the way---now, the principal did indeed "vouch for her character," however, it was the vice principal who turned her in in the first place (ohh, got that one wrong too!) Once again dumbass the citation says both the principal and the vice principal vouched for her character and that it was the state who told the cops to charge it as an adult felony. Your reading skills are less than adequate for a fifth grader. quote: The disturbance prompted Assistant Principal Dan Durham to alert authorities she was nevertheless suspended, termy's citation quotes the school system [so someone OTHER than the principal and vice principal---got that??] s I do but you obviously you do not understrand that the principal and vice principal are the executors of school system rules. Jesus you are phoquing stupid tanding by their decision, and from YOUR reference (you know, the WHOLE STORY you left out [any of that language sounding familiar??]): quote: Indeed, Wilmot would be arrested at the school and charged with the aforementioned charges. Then to add insult to injury, the teen was reportedly expelled from Bartow High; she is currently completing her education through an “expulsion program.” and quote: “However, she was arrested and charged with adult felonies, which means the arrest will follow her for the remainder of her life. According to Haas [the chief assistant state attorney], they are still determining whether to go forward in Kiera’s case or drop the charges as they did in the Richardson case. put another way, "being cleared of charges" doesn't negate the fact she was charged in the first place. the short of it all being---the citations you thought was defending your position of calling termy's position "bullshit" actually corroborates what he was saying. oooooh, that's gotta smart. as for this gem of yours, i'll let the visible irony do its own work: quote: Perhapos you should consider putting your brian in gear before opening your mouth at wot. That is clearly advice you should take to heart. The cites linked show that she was exonerated and graduated with her class on time. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

thompsonx -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/14/2016 8:00:10 PM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Not when they got tenure. Where have you been ? They also have a union. Tenure is only for college level teachers dumbass and not all of them get tenure. The difference between "tenure" at the university level vs. "tenure" below the university level is discussed in Vergara v. California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_tenure_in_North_America#Criticisms_of_tenure_for_school_teachers [/quote] this one makes me laugh. do you realize within the same paragraph you say "tenure is only for college level teachers" and "tenure below the university level"---thereby disqualifying your first statement by your second? do you realize your Wikipedia site has in its very title a line (and in its body) that contradicts your "tenure is only for college teachers" when it says "criticisms of tenure for school teachers?" do you realize your "Vergara v. California" has to do with tenure (the one you said only exists at colleges) in public school education (you know, where you say it doesn't exist)? and that case does not "discuss the difference in tenure between the university level and below the university level"---it simply examines from a legal perspective the shortcomings of tenure at the latter level. you are really bad at this aren't you? should I keep going on any of the rest of your "stupid shit" or is 0 for 3 enough for you right now?? the difficulty in firing a teacher as opposed to "teachers get fired all the time" would be like shooting fish in a barrel. the next time you want to call someone "phoquing stupid" or "ignorant" or any of its variations or insult someone's intelligence, I hope instead you'll reflect on your performance exhibited in these last three posts. You seem to only open your mouth to change feet. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

Nnanji -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/14/2016 8:04:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I got my license when a cdl was called a class 1. Go get one today Mr. Fucking Knowitall. My license, which was a class 1 became a cdl in 1992, gets renewed regularly and is still valid dumbass. Actually no...I had a class 1 and about the time you mention, in two States AZ and CA, the DMV did not allow them to be renewed unless all of the new requirements were met. They dropped it off my license and if you had one they dropped it off yours as well unless you showed you met all of the new revised requirements. Currently, those additional requirements can be learned at a Junior College in about a five week class costing about $4,000. But, then you have to demonstrate those skills you learned to the DMV. At a place I worked in the early to mid 90's the guy who taught the class to upgrade all of the commercial drivers the employer had once told once told me the DMV was very strict on issuing the new certification to drivers and one error on the test was cause for denial. So, I'm wondering how yours just happens. Currently, CA requires a new medical certificate every two years in order to renew so it doesn't get renewed regularly unless you keep it current, which you may do.

Nnanji -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/14/2016 8:16:09 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: bounty44 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Not when they got tenure. Where have you been ? They also have a union. Tenure is only for college level teachers dumbass and not all of them get tenure. The difference between "tenure" at the university level vs. "tenure" below the university level is discussed in Vergara v. California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_tenure_in_North_America#Criticisms_of_tenure_for_school_teachers this one makes me laugh. do you realize within the same paragraph you say "tenure is only for college level teachers" and "tenure below the university level"---thereby disqualifying your first statement by your second? do you realize your Wikipedia site has in its very title a line (and in its body) that contradicts your "tenure is only for college teachers" when it says "criticisms of tenure for school teachers?" do you realize your "Vergara v. California" has to do with tenure (the one you said only exists at colleges) in public school education (you know, where you say it doesn't exist)? and that case does not "discuss the difference in tenure between the university level and below the university level"---it simply examines from a legal perspective the shortcomings of tenure at the latter level. you are really bad at this aren't you? should I keep going on any of the rest of your "stupid shit" or is 0 for 3 enough for you right now?? the difficulty in firing a teacher as opposed to "teachers get fired all the time" would be like shooting fish in a barrel. the next time you want to call someone "phoquing stupid" or "ignorant" or any of its variations or insult someone's intelligence, I hope instead you'll reflect on your performance exhibited in these last three posts. You seem to only open your mouth to change feet. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. From your link: In 2012, tenure for school teachers was challenged in a California lawsuit called Vergara v. California. The primary issue in the case was the impact of tenure on student outcomes and on equity in education. On June 10, 2014, the trial judge ruled that California's teacher tenure statute produced disparities that "shock the conscience" and violate the equal protection clause of the California Constitution. On July 7, 2014, U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan commented on the Vergara decision during a meeting with President Barack Obama and representatives of teacher's unions. Duncan said that tenure for school teachers "should be earned through demonstrated effectiveness" and should not be granted too quickly. Specifically, he criticized the 18-month tenure period at the heart of the Vergara case as being too short to be a "meaningful bar."[17] It has been argued that sometimes it costs money to fire a bad teacher and that the teacher tenure has only become as a scapegoat law to not go through the process of hearings and documentations.[18] So, a 2014 decision that hasn't been upheld by a high court and it's only for California. Tell me, just how this affects school teachers so differently than higher education teachers and let's pick...oh say...Colorado as the State where you demonstrate your knowledge to show he's the dumbass.

Nnanji -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/14/2016 8:35:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "The scores versus worldwide scores are dismal. Cite please http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/03/american-students-fall-in-international-academic-tests-chinese-lead-the-pack But still, American students are performing far below most other developed nations on this triennial international test. In fact, they’re actually performing worse today than before. But that’s not the big problem, Duncan said. A more pressing concern, he claims, is the fact that American students are standing still, while other nations are advancing.

DomStrictMale -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 12:13:31 AM)
Pity that people can't use common sense on this issue.

thompsonx -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 2:46:15 AM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx So, a 2014 decision that hasn't been upheld by a high court and it's only for California. The trial court held for the plantif. The appeal court overturned the trial court. the supreme court refused to hear the appeal. Tell me, just how this affects school teachers so differently than higher education teachers and let's pick...oh say...Colorado as the State where you demonstrate your knowledge to show he's the dumbass. To say that "tenure" is "tenure" which is what he is sugesting, is to compare a childs pedal car to a car that the dmv will register for use on public highways...What are the criteria for obtaining either? In the california case those who teach below the university level are granted tenure in apro forma manner after less than two years. This is a demonstrably "lower bar" than that necessary for tenure at the university level.

thompsonx -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 3:16:31 AM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx Actually no...I had a class 1 and about the time you mention, in two States AZ and CA, the DMV did not allow them to be renewed unless all of the new requirements were met. That was one of the main reasons for the cdl. Drivers who had multiple licenses could amass more points by submitting a different license each time they were stoped by a cop thus avoiding a suspension. Since I only had one license and it was not expired my license was renewed. They dropped it off my license and if you had one they dropped it off yours as well unless you showed you met all of the new revised requirements. Perhaps you might acquaint us with just what those "new and revised" requirements were. Currently, those additional requirements can be learned at a Junior College in about a five week class costing about $4,000. The requirements for all license classes are available from the dmv at no charge. But, then you have to demonstrate those skills you learned to the DMV. Which "new" skills might those be? At a place I worked in the early to mid 90's the guy who taught the class to upgrade all of the commercial drivers the employer had once told once told me the DMV was very strict on issuing the new certification to drivers and one error on the test was cause for denial. So, I'm wondering how yours just happens. Perhaps you should have checked with the dmv rather than "some guy who was told by some other guy" Currently, CA requires a new medical certificate every two years in order to renew so it doesn't get renewed regularly unless you keep it current, which you may do. Nothing more than a note from my doctor at the v.a. and I could just mail it in. After I turned 70 they require me to come down to the dmv in person. Now while I have not driven "professionally" in more than 40 years the license allows me to operate pretty much anything that is legal to be on the road and while I have not had to avail myself of it it is nice to know that the additional points are available,

thompsonx -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 3:51:38 AM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "The scores versus worldwide scores are dismal. Cite please http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/03/american-students-fall-in-international-academic-tests-chinese-lead-the-pack But still, American students are performing far below most other developed nations on this triennial international test. In fact, they’re actually performing worse today than before. But that’s not the big problem, Duncan said. A more pressing concern, he claims, is the fact that American students are standing still, while other nations are advancing. This from your cite: Kris Perry, executive director of the First Five Years Fund, said in a statement that the United States' mediocre scores, which she said show "continued education stagnation," can also be partially attributed to a lack of investment in early childhood education. Is this "lack of investment" a euphimism for not paying teachers enough? As mentioned above we have people sniviling that teachers are making $100 k per year but the data show that a small percentage of very senior educators with multiple post graduate degrees teaching in affluent districts are the ones making that figure. That most (as in more than half) are making $20-35 dollars an hour. If we do not attract high quality educators to teach the basics and instill a desire to learn it is more than a little disingenuous to expect higher performance from students with no foundation. If a truck driver can make $20-35 dollars an hour for keeping the rubber side down and the shiny side up what incentive do people with college degrees have to work for the same amout when industry will pay them more? How much do you think someone with a college degree should be paid? What do you feel should be the appropriate student teacher ratio? Do you feel that primary school teachers should be paid less than university level teachers?

bounty44 -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 4:51:41 AM)
nnanji, your questions a good one, but extraneous to the troll's point of that tenure doesn't exist at the high school level. and how he got from my showing that his own statements and reference give lie to that fact, to talking about "opening my mouth to change my feet" is beyond me. while im here---hey troll: "Teacher tenure reform (United States)" quote: Teacher tenure is a policy that restricts the ability to fire teachers, requiring a "just cause" rationale for firing.[1] The individual states each have established their own tenure systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teacher_tenure_reform_(United_States) but yeah---"Tenure is only for college level teachers dumbass." again, go apply any of your favorite sayings to yourself.

BamaD -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 8:05:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomStrictMale Pity that people can't use common sense on this issue. Yes it is. After all he considers the fact that most cities and counties cannot afford what he wants to be merely an "excuse".

vincentML -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 2:45:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "The scores versus worldwide scores are dismal. Cite please http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/03/american-students-fall-in-international-academic-tests-chinese-lead-the-pack But still, American students are performing far below most other developed nations on this triennial international test. In fact, they’re actually performing worse today than before. But that’s not the big problem, Duncan said. A more pressing concern, he claims, is the fact that American students are standing still, while other nations are advancing. This would suggest that all students took this same test. I suspect that is bogus. I would like to know from whence (lol) the numbers were derived bc sure as shit no one went around administering some international test in the US schools.

Politesub53 -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 4:27:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well thats one way to legally shoot a gun in the UK [8\|] What makes you think they let them carry guns? Two trolls who know fuck all about fuck all. I would point out the relevant UK Laws but I cant be arsed.

thompsonx -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 6:16:42 PM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 while im here---hey troll: "Teacher tenure reform (United States)" quote: Teacher tenure is a policy that restricts the ability to fire teachers, requiring a "just cause" rationale for firing.[1] The individual states each have established their own tenure systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teacher_tenure_reform_(United_States) but yeah---"Tenure is only for college level teachers dumbass." again, go apply any of your favorite sayings to yourself. This from your cite. This article is written like a personal reflection or opinion essay that states the Wikipedia editor's personal feelings about a topic, rather than the opinions of experts. (September 2011) The neutrality of this article is disputed. (August 2012) This statement preceeds the linked citation. Why do you think that is? Jesus you are phoquing stupid

vincentML -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/15/2016 10:15:34 PM)
quote: As mentioned above we have people sniviling that teachers are making $100 k per year but the data show that a small percentage of very senior educators with multiple post graduate degrees teaching in affluent districts are the ones making that figure. This is true but limited to districts in California, New Jersey, and New York where the cost of living is high as well. quote: hat most (as in more than half) are making $20-35 dollars an hour. If we do not attract high quality educators to teach the basics and instill a desire to learn it is more than a little disingenuous to expect higher performance from students with no foundation. Double check your figures. I recall they are $25 K - $35 K per year, even less in Mississippi. Otherwise, spot on, Tommy. [;)]

thompsonx -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/16/2016 3:26:53 AM)
ORIGINAL: vincentML Double check your figures. I recall they are $25 K - $35 K per year, even less in Mississippi. While I do not discount the possibility of a college graduate working for $12.50-$17.50 per hour I haven't been that hungry since I left home and joined the military.

CreativeDominant -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/16/2016 8:28:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx Actually no...I had a class 1 and about the time you mention, in two States AZ and CA, the DMV did not allow them to be renewed unless all of the new requirements were met. That was one of the main reasons for the cdl. Drivers who had multiple licenses could amass more points by submitting a different license each time they were stoped by a cop thus avoiding a suspension. Since I only had one license and it was not expired my license was renewed. They dropped it off my license and if you had one they dropped it off yours as well unless you showed you met all of the new revised requirements. Perhaps you might acquaint us with just what those "new and revised" requirements were. Currently, those additional requirements can be learned at a Junior College in about a five week class costing about $4,000. The requirements for all license classes are available from the dmv at no charge. But, then you have to demonstrate those skills you learned to the DMV. Which "new" skills might those be? At a place I worked in the early to mid 90's the guy who taught the class to upgrade all of the commercial drivers the employer had once told once told me the DMV was very strict on issuing the new certification to drivers and one error on the test was cause for denial. So, I'm wondering how yours just happens. Perhaps you should have checked with the dmv rather than "some guy who was told by some other guy" Currently, CA requires a new medical certificate every two years in order to renew so it doesn't get renewed regularly unless you keep it current, which you may do. Nothing more than a note from my doctor at the v.a. and I could just mail it in. After I turned 70 they require me to come down to the dmv in person. Now while I have not driven "professionally" in more than 40 years the license allows me to operate pretty much anything that is legal to be on the road and while I have not had to avail myself of it it is nice to know that the additional points are available, Cite please on "just a note from your doctor". I get drivers referred to me all the time because they do not have a current CDL Physical Exam Certificate.

BamaD -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/16/2016 8:51:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx Actually no...I had a class 1 and about the time you mention, in two States AZ and CA, the DMV did not allow them to be renewed unless all of the new requirements were met. That was one of the main reasons for the cdl. Drivers who had multiple licenses could amass more points by submitting a different license each time they were stoped by a cop thus avoiding a suspension. Since I only had one license and it was not expired my license was renewed. They dropped it off my license and if you had one they dropped it off yours as well unless you showed you met all of the new revised requirements. Perhaps you might acquaint us with just what those "new and revised" requirements were. Currently, those additional requirements can be learned at a Junior College in about a five week class costing about $4,000. The requirements for all license classes are available from the dmv at no charge. But, then you have to demonstrate those skills you learned to the DMV. Which "new" skills might those be? At a place I worked in the early to mid 90's the guy who taught the class to upgrade all of the commercial drivers the employer had once told once told me the DMV was very strict on issuing the new certification to drivers and one error on the test was cause for denial. So, I'm wondering how yours just happens. Perhaps you should have checked with the dmv rather than "some guy who was told by some other guy" Currently, CA requires a new medical certificate every two years in order to renew so it doesn't get renewed regularly unless you keep it current, which you may do. Nothing more than a note from my doctor at the v.a. and I could just mail it in. After I turned 70 they require me to come down to the dmv in person. Now while I have not driven "professionally" in more than 40 years the license allows me to operate pretty much anything that is legal to be on the road and while I have not had to avail myself of it it is nice to know that the additional points are available, Cite please on "just a note from your doctor". I get drivers referred to me all the time because they do not have a current CDL Physical Exam Certificate. His profile says he is 62, and now he claims to be 70+, which is a lie?

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/16/2016 10:22:04 AM)
if he joined in 2006, and hasn't changed his age on his profile he would be 70+

thompsonx -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/16/2016 1:42:13 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD His profile says he is 62, and now he claims to be 70+, which is a lie? It is no wonder that you were tossed out of the air farce...you cannot do math.

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