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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/1/2016 4:44:37 PM

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I understand what you're saying and what you are talking about is more of a bedroom submissive. I really can't relate because to me that is kinky sex play. When i say i'm submissive, i am talking alot more than the bedroom. I know i am very old- fashioned compared to most women these days. I am strong when under the leadership of a strong man. I don't want anymore responsibility than I have to have. I like to defer to the man in my life's authority... the buck stops with him so- to- speak. So perhaps we are talking apples and oranges here.

There are several women in this site who are not bedroom submissives, they are lifestyle submissives they live it day and night, and they have described themselves to be the exact opposite of what you are suggesting. You are describing a doormat, as needles said. And the lifestyle submissives I know would be offended by that.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/1/2016 4:46:39 PM

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I understand what you're saying and what you are talking about is more of a bedroom submissive. I really can't relate because to me that is kinky sex play. When i say i'm submissive, i am talking alot more than the bedroom. I know i am very old- fashioned compared to most women these days. I am strong when under the leadership of a strong man. I don't want anymore responsibility than I have to have. I like to defer to the man in my life's authority... the buck stops with him so- to- speak. So perhaps we are talking apples and oranges here.

Well I don't know him well enough to say how far it all goes for him. He'd have to speak up for himself on that one.

Me personally, I'm a switch. In the bedroom I can as submissive as my boundaries will go for the right person, but it is bedroom only. I'm not bowing down for anyone outside of it.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/1/2016 4:53:12 PM

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I understand what you're saying and what you are talking about is more of a bedroom submissive. I really can't relate because to me that is kinky sex play. When i say i'm submissive, i am talking alot more than the bedroom. I know i am very old- fashioned compared to most women these days. I am strong when under the leadership of a strong man. I don't want anymore responsibility than I have to have. I like to defer to the man in my life's authority... the buck stops with him so- to- speak. So perhaps we are talking apples and oranges here.

There are several women in this site who are not bedroom submissives, they are lifestyle submissives they live it day and night, and they have described themselves to be the exact opposite of what you are suggesting. You are describing a doormat, as needles said. And the lifestyle submissives I know would be offended by that.

I am describing myself. If you want to call that a doormat based on the little information i gave you go right ahead because honestly i could care less what you think. And why lifestyle submissives would be offended by my description of myself is beyond my comprehension.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/1/2016 5:47:42 PM

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I understand what you're saying and what you are talking about is more of a bedroom submissive. I really can't relate because to me that is kinky sex play. When i say i'm submissive, i am talking alot more than the bedroom. I know i am very old- fashioned compared to most women these days. I am strong when under the leadership of a strong man. I don't want anymore responsibility than I have to have. I like to defer to the man in my life's authority... the buck stops with him so- to- speak. So perhaps we are talking apples and oranges here.

There are several women in this site who are not bedroom submissives, they are lifestyle submissives they live it day and night, and they have described themselves to be the exact opposite of what you are suggesting. You are describing a doormat, as needles said. And the lifestyle submissives I know would be offended by that.

I am describing myself. If you want to call that a doormat based on the little information i gave you go right ahead because honestly i could care less what you think. And why lifestyle submissives would be offended by my description of myself is beyond my comprehension.

It started because you said that you did not understand women wanting submissive men, which you clarified by describing them as "men no longer lead... they prefer to be led around by women. Like they are abdicating their responsibility to be strong, keep us safe and secure... and it just pretty much scares me... alot",

You then further stated that you think submissive men are pathetic, because 'men who want to be led around by the nosering'...

You are making very general yet judgmental statements about submissive people in general, which are untrue. Then backpedal by saying that you are just describing yourself. Which is clearly untrue as well.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/1/2016 5:58:39 PM

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I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/1/2016 6:08:20 PM

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I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

And that is narrow-minded, weak-minded, and pathetic. Just my opinion.

And your attitude towards submission in general is pathetic as well. You can be a 'twue' submissive and still be a strong person that does not have to be led through life.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/1/2016 6:13:51 PM

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I don't feel men should be submissive to women.

It's kinda funny. Because I am Asian and there is this traditional view that Asian women are submissive to their males historically. But that's all surface only. In public, we give men face.

To me, I feel that Asian women are historically dominant to their males. Yes their males provide, yes their males bring home the dough, yes the women don't work and take care of the home. BUT they control the finances and major decisions and lead the pack on major decisions. Their husbands usually defer to their wishes.

And I suspect why this is, because an Asian mom is like a matriarch, and usually really holds big control over their sons. They are usually brought up by strong women who wants to control them for life. Some break away. Some remain mommy's boy forever.

So it never felt unnatural to me having a woman in control of a man. At the same time, he is still their protector. He will give up his life for his family to keep them safe and secure. And in many times, I can only speak for my own culture. The woman is known to be the more sensible one, especially with money. So often credited to controlling and maintaining the family wealth on a discipline level for the benefit of the whole family.

And I feel like the phrase of "Happy Wife equals Happy Husband", comes from us.

It's kinda like having an iron-fisted Empress Dowager and those who sworn to protect and obey her are still extremely strong and masculine men and great warriors.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/1/2016 6:25:43 PM

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In general, I think that many submissive's want to be in relationships with dominant people. It's not needed. It's a desire, a hope, but not a necessity. Submissives are usually quite capable of running their lives. They simply don't want to.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 7:54:27 AM

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And I feel like the phrase of "Happy Wife equals Happy Husband", comes from us.

It's kinda like having an iron-fisted Empress Dowager and those who sworn to protect and obey her are still extremely strong and masculine men and great warriors.

Yes yes yes, and HELL YES.

This is exactly what I witnessed growing up in Eastern cultures.

Every Oriental is customarily obsessed with saving face, and just about every Asian knows the rules of the game, so no surprises there in anticipating passive-aggressive behavior. Nobody is actually getting manipulated because it is understood collectively that this is how the delicate fabric of civilized society stays intact (instead of turning into tattered shreds torn apart by wild beasts).

This is why I see an Asian woman's outward submissiveness as her public mask-like persona. I identified as Western, so this used to be a burr under my saddle. It still is.
However, once she comes into her own and the fullness of her feminine power, she is a Dragon Lady at home.

There is the imperial symbolism of the Dragon and the Phoenix.
A true Dragon Lady inspires the courage and active male principle (yang) energy of her male entourage.
She possesses the regenerative, receptive (yin) merging principle of the Phoenix which makes champions out of her men.

In Occidental culture, this is represented by the chivalric knight (heroic bodyguard/champion) who protects and upholds his Queen and her honor, at no matter what cost or noble self-sacrifice, who does whatever must be done to win her favor and stay in her good graces with his unwavering loyalty and devotion.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 8:20:03 AM

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I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

So, basically, you're allowed to be submissive because of the genitalia you possess, but if somebody else wants to be a submissive in a relationship, the same as you, but they have different genitalia, that makes them weak and pathetic?

Yep. You're entitled to your opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to say that your opinion sucks.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 8:24:25 AM

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Being submissive (in life) isn't "needing" to be led through life any more than being Dominant isn't "needing" to lead someone through life. There are other words for that. Being submissive is "choosing" to defer to another authority in life; nuanced differences.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 10:09:50 AM

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I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

So, basically, you're allowed to be submissive because of the genitalia you possess, but if somebody else wants to be a submissive in a relationship, the same as you, but they have different genitalia, that makes them weak and pathetic?

Yep. You're entitled to your opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to say that your opinion sucks.

Yep... you can look at it however you want. I guess if a sub- type man wanted to serve me he'd better snap out of his weak and pathetic state and get some balls really quick or i'd be sending him off to serve someone like you whom he can grovel for all day long if he wants. I have no need for that here.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 11:04:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

So, basically, you're allowed to be submissive because of the genitalia you possess, but if somebody else wants to be a submissive in a relationship, the same as you, but they have different genitalia, that makes them weak and pathetic?

Yep. You're entitled to your opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to say that your opinion sucks.

Yep... you can look at it however you want. I guess if a sub- type man wanted to serve me he'd better snap out of his weak and pathetic state and get some balls really quick or i'd be sending him off to serve someone like you whom he can grovel for all day long if he wants. I have no need for that here.

You are way off base and have no clue how LP treats her subs or how she prefers for them to act. I mean, I can be pretty bitch and stuck in my ways but even if can see what you just said was uncalled for.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 11:29:57 AM

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Because women aren't men.
(Obviously, you get some fucktards who think that women want to be men, and build all of their arguments about wymyns rights and feminism* around that assumption, but it doesn't seem to be the case if you read a word by a feminist...)

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 11:42:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

So, basically, you're allowed to be submissive because of the genitalia you possess, but if somebody else wants to be a submissive in a relationship, the same as you, but they have different genitalia, that makes them weak and pathetic?

Yep. You're entitled to your opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to say that your opinion sucks.

Yep... you can look at it however you want. I guess if a sub- type man wanted to serve me he'd better snap out of his weak and pathetic state and get some balls really quick or i'd be sending him off to serve someone like you whom he can grovel for all day long if he wants. I have no need for that here.

Wow!

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 12:00:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

So, basically, you're allowed to be submissive because of the genitalia you possess, but if somebody else wants to be a submissive in a relationship, the same as you, but they have different genitalia, that makes them weak and pathetic?

Yep. You're entitled to your opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to say that your opinion sucks.

Yep... you can look at it however you want. I guess if a sub- type man wanted to serve me he'd better snap out of his weak and pathetic state and get some balls really quick or i'd be sending him off to serve someone like you whom he can grovel for all day long if he wants. I have no need for that here.

Actually, I think it's a fabulous idea! Not the serving me part. It would give me the opportunity, however, to introduce said male submissive to some M/f type people in the community so they would know that the bigoted views from their fellow submissives that they see on the internet isn't how most folks would treat them.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 12:08:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

So, basically, you're allowed to be submissive because of the genitalia you possess, but if somebody else wants to be a submissive in a relationship, the same as you, but they have different genitalia, that makes them weak and pathetic?

Yep. You're entitled to your opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to say that your opinion sucks.

Yep... you can look at it however you want. I guess if a sub- type man wanted to serve me he'd better snap out of his weak and pathetic state and get some balls really quick or i'd be sending him off to serve someone like you whom he can grovel for all day long if he wants. I have no need for that here.

You are way off base and have no clue how LP treats her subs or how she prefers for them to act. I mean, I can be pretty bitchy and stuck in my ways but even I can see what you just said was uncalled for.

*Missed the edit window, fixed errors.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 12:09:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

So, basically, you're allowed to be submissive because of the genitalia you possess, but if somebody else wants to be a submissive in a relationship, the same as you, but they have different genitalia, that makes them weak and pathetic?

Yep. You're entitled to your opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to say that your opinion sucks.

Yep... you can look at it however you want. I guess if a sub- type man wanted to serve me he'd better snap out of his weak and pathetic state and get some balls really quick or i'd be sending him off to serve someone like you whom he can grovel for all day long if he wants. I have no need for that here.

Wow!

Yep that's been pretty much my reaction the whole time I was conversing with her. It always stuns me that such ignorant, sexist, hateful people exist.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 12:17:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

So, basically, you're allowed to be submissive because of the genitalia you possess, but if somebody else wants to be a submissive in a relationship, the same as you, but they have different genitalia, that makes them weak and pathetic?

Yep. You're entitled to your opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to say that your opinion sucks.

Yep... you can look at it however you want. I guess if a sub- type man wanted to serve me he'd better snap out of his weak and pathetic state and get some balls really quick or i'd be sending him off to serve someone like you whom he can grovel for all day long if he wants. I have no need for that here.

Wow!

Yep that's been pretty much my reaction the whole time I was conversing with her. It always stuns me that such ignorant, sexist, hateful people exist.

Actually i think it's pretty hateful to emasculate men but hey... to each their own.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/3/2016 12:28:18 PM

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I don't feel men should be submissive to women. I know that's not a popular view here but that is my view. I think men that want to defer to the authority of a woman over them in their personal life are weak and pathetic. If they do it in role play to get the kinky sex that they want that is their sexual way of being served by the woman by allowing her to 'Dominate' him for his pleasure for a couple of hours that's irrelevant. But if he walks out of the bedroom door and needs a woman to lead him through life i consider him a pathetic figure. It's just my opinion.

So, basically, you're allowed to be submissive because of the genitalia you possess, but if somebody else wants to be a submissive in a relationship, the same as you, but they have different genitalia, that makes them weak and pathetic?

Yep. You're entitled to your opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to say that your opinion sucks.

Yep... you can look at it however you want. I guess if a sub- type man wanted to serve me he'd better snap out of his weak and pathetic state and get some balls really quick or i'd be sending him off to serve someone like you whom he can grovel for all day long if he wants. I have no need for that here.

Actually, I think it's a fabulous idea! Not the serving me part. It would give me the opportunity, however, to introduce said male submissive to some M/f type people in the community so they would know that the bigoted views from their fellow submissives that they see on the internet isn't how most folks would treat them.

I'm sure that would make them feel all warm and fuzzy.

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