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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 3:03:30 AM   
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In the spirit of fairness, I'll also tell this story: Years ago, in upstate New York, I drove the wrong way down a one-lane, one-way street. Not only that, but I came nose-to-nose with a police car. And if that wasn't bad enough, the officer had to tell me two or three times on his PA speaker that I was going the wrong way before I finally got it. Now that was painful.

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 8:21:25 AM   
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Inducing a panic attack just means I wouldn't play with him again. I like rope because I float in it, totally in the moment. But feeling that I'm suffocating isn't the kind of moment I would want to be in.

Besides, once I have a panic attack then I'm likely to start suffering from them frequently.

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 9:36:28 AM   
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Inducing a panic attack just means I wouldn't play with him again. I like rope because I float in it, totally in the moment. But feeling that I'm suffocating isn't the kind of moment I would want to be in.

Besides, once I have a panic attack then I'm likely to start suffering from them frequently.


Panic attacks are no Bueno for me as well. That sense of imminent doom isn't exactly the type of mindfuck I'm looking for. Feeling my Top is in control is much more exciting than feeling things have gotten out of control

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 9:48:53 AM   
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Inducing a panic attack just means I wouldn't play with him again. I like rope because I float in it, totally in the moment. But feeling that I'm suffocating isn't the kind of moment I would want to be in.

Besides, once I have a panic attack then I'm likely to start suffering from them frequently.


If your mind becomes lost in your focus on Him you won't even notice it.

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 10:03:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Inducing a panic attack just means I wouldn't play with him again. I like rope because I float in it, totally in the moment. But feeling that I'm suffocating isn't the kind of moment I would want to be in.

Besides, once I have a panic attack then I'm likely to start suffering from them frequently.


If your mind becomes lost in your focus on Him you won't even notice it.



Ah, if life was as simple as my triggers melting away by focusing on him.

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 10:06:21 AM   
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Inducing a panic attack just means I wouldn't play with him again. I like rope because I float in it, totally in the moment. But feeling that I'm suffocating isn't the kind of moment I would want to be in.

Besides, once I have a panic attack then I'm likely to start suffering from them frequently.


If your mind becomes lost in your focus on Him you won't even notice it.


A true panic attack renders focus impossible. It's literally a physiological reaction to a perceived threat to life. It goes beyond simple flight or fight. I've only had 3 my entire life, but it's literally debilitating.

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 10:09:59 AM   
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Inducing a panic attack just means I wouldn't play with him again. I like rope because I float in it, totally in the moment. But feeling that I'm suffocating isn't the kind of moment I would want to be in.

Besides, once I have a panic attack then I'm likely to start suffering from them frequently.


If your mind becomes lost in your focus on Him you won't even notice it.


A true panic attack renders focus impossible. It's literally a physiological reaction to a perceived threat to life. It goes beyond simple flight or fight. I've only had 3 my entire life, but it's literally debilitating.


http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/panic-attacks/basics/definition/con-20020825?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=abstract&utm_content=Panic-attack&utm_campaign=Knowledge-panel


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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 11:33:24 AM   
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Yeah, fear is the number one thing I look for in play. But I'm pretty unusual in that regard.
Most of the stuff I do that other people consider 'extreme' I do specifically in order to get a fear response going. The pain, the humiliation aspects, the D/s, etc they're side-effects of what I'm really after when I'm playing hard, which is fear.

A skilled Top, who knows me well, can play on that fear without actually doing anything that would typically be regarded as 'kinky'... though I quickly learned that if we're going to go that route, we have to be really careful about doing it at the club, because if we don't other people will start crying and have traumatic experiences...

A few months ago, an ex-marine I play with ends up 'sneaking up on me' from behind while I was hanging out talking in the social room, grabbing me by the hair, and forcefully dragging me through the club, with me fighting him all the way kicking and screaming, until he ended up slamming me against a wall, put a knife to my throat hard enough to draw blood, looked me strait in the eye and said: "If you don't stop fussing I'm going to slit your tendons and your vocal chords, I don't need you to be able to move or scream for what I'm planning on doing to you tonight".
Which for me was pretty much a great start to a promising scene... for another girl watching... not so much. We ended up pretty much breaking off the scene once he saw her reaction, and spent much of the rest of the night providing aftercare for her.
So yeah... I'm more than a little fucked up in the way I like my 'play'...

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 11:37:43 AM   
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I take pain better when I'm drunk. But that's frowned at round bdsm parts.

I don't. Being drunk dulls the pain and clouds the mind, which is the exact effect I do not want. I like drunk sex, it gets so uninhibited and dirty, but if we're doing pain or degradation stuff I want to be stone cold sober to experience every sensation and emotion clearly and fully. To do otherwise would just be cheating myself out of the experience I want.

I like everything fully sober! I think Greatlilbabygirl have not really met someone who is skilled at applying pain for pleasure. It doesn't have to be painful. But the reason why I like everything sober is because the sensations that will come, will get me higher than any alcohol or drugs can do to me. That's what sub space is all about!

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 11:44:49 AM   
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As the car passed, I checked the driver.

It was an Asian woman.

I turned to Kalliko and said "Stereotypes exist because they're FUCKING true."

She was laughing too hard to respond.

Obviously just a coincidence :). My x-dom had to drive daily in Singapore filled with Asian drivers and his always complaining everybody drives with their handbrake on and if he was President, he would ban all Asians from driving lol, and then I'd remind him that, who is gonna chaffeur him home when he goes for his boys night out and get slosh with his buddies?
ME! The one who sacrifice not having any alcohol so he can get home safely.


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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 1:23:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Inducing a panic attack just means I wouldn't play with him again. I like rope because I float in it, totally in the moment. But feeling that I'm suffocating isn't the kind of moment I would want to be in.

Besides, once I have a panic attack then I'm likely to start suffering from them frequently.


If your mind becomes lost in your focus on Him you won't even notice it.



Ah, if life was as simple as my triggers melting away by focusing on him.


I would suggest that you keep trying... it worked for me, but not on the first try. And i've suffered from panic attacks since i was 8.

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 1:26:11 PM   
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Yeah, fear is the number one thing I look for in play. But I'm pretty unusual in that regard.
Most of the stuff I do that other people consider 'extreme' I do specifically in order to get a fear response going. The pain, the humiliation aspects, the D/s, etc they're side-effects of what I'm really after when I'm playing hard, which is fear.

A skilled Top, who knows me well, can play on that fear without actually doing anything that would typically be regarded as 'kinky'... though I quickly learned that if we're going to go that route, we have to be really careful about doing it at the club, because if we don't other people will start crying and have traumatic experiences...

A few months ago, an ex-marine I play with ends up 'sneaking up on me' from behind while I was hanging out talking in the social room, grabbing me by the hair, and forcefully dragging me through the club, with me fighting him all the way kicking and screaming, until he ended up slamming me against a wall, put a knife to my throat hard enough to draw blood, looked me strait in the eye and said: "If you don't stop fussing I'm going to slit your tendons and your vocal chords, I don't need you to be able to move or scream for what I'm planning on doing to you tonight".
Which for me was pretty much a great start to a promising scene... for another girl watching... not so much. We ended up pretty much breaking off the scene once he saw her reaction, and spent much of the rest of the night providing aftercare for her.
So yeah... I'm more than a little fucked up in the way I like my 'play'...


Too bad about the girl. That sounds like it would have been an awesome night.

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 1:27:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Inducing a panic attack just means I wouldn't play with him again. I like rope because I float in it, totally in the moment. But feeling that I'm suffocating isn't the kind of moment I would want to be in.

Besides, once I have a panic attack then I'm likely to start suffering from them frequently.


If your mind becomes lost in your focus on Him you won't even notice it.



Ah, if life was as simple as my triggers melting away by focusing on him.


I would suggest that you keep trying... it worked for me, but not on the first try. And i've suffered from panic attacks since i was 8.


Nope, not for me. I am not going down the road of having someone who is not professionally trained try to have me "get over" things like this.

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 2:48:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Inducing a panic attack just means I wouldn't play with him again. I like rope because I float in it, totally in the moment. But feeling that I'm suffocating isn't the kind of moment I would want to be in.

Besides, once I have a panic attack then I'm likely to start suffering from them frequently.


If your mind becomes lost in your focus on Him you won't even notice it.



Ah, if life was as simple as my triggers melting away by focusing on him.


I would suggest that you keep trying... it worked for me, but not on the first try. And i've suffered from panic attacks since i was 8.


Nope, not for me. I am not going down the road of having someone who is not professionally trained try to have me "get over" things like this.


Actually it would be you having yourself 'get over' things... but i understand.

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RE: pain - 11/21/2016 6:22:40 PM   
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Year`s ago I met a sadist at a munch...actually the first munch I attended. I just sat back and watched her for a month.

I knew she had plenty of experience...and I could tell she was hungry to play, hungry to hurt someone.

So one time I just walked up and looked in her eyes and said *hurt me please*...what the heck, I`d never bottomed to a real sadist. The first scene I thought what the fuck did I get myself into. Tsk tsk. No safe words, no safe calls. You want to play I`m all in.

I`ve never regretted the times I spent with her, in fact the more scenes we never negotiated anything at all, were by far the most intense as I fed on the fear. I knew there were times she didn`t think I`d have the balls to show up and enter her dark home, never knowing what to expect or how many of her friends might be involved.

I endured *things* most of the time because it made her HOT...and when it was all said and done...I was the one that had my way with her...

Ahhh to be young and hungry.

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RE: pain - 12/18/2016 1:54:18 AM   
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I'm kinda interested in hearing more about how your dynamic with the two Fella's works, and their dynamic with each other. But you tend to not share that much about the details about it on the board, so if it's private, I understand.

OK, I know I answered this, but the fella posted something on the other site that has some bearing on this. It is a response to some guy on Reddit musing on what being dominant meant to him.

So here is my Fella's take on being dominant, it shines some light on the way things work around here and why he does things the way he does them.

quote:

As promised, Dizzy asked me to take a look at this. At first I was just going to answer more or less the way she did, but decided instead to respond. So I have been thinking it over for a few days as I am not really given to spending time contemplating things like this.

Before I start, I want to point out a couple things.

First, all this is just my opinion; I am not meaning to imply that it is correct for everybody, or even for anybody but me.

Second, while I have only been involved in a formally Dominant/Submissive relationship for a few years, I have been a dominant person all my life and there has been an element of dominance in all my interactions. Even in kindergarten, the other kids did things my way.

Third, as I said in the opening paragraph, I am not the sort of person to spend a lot of time analyzing my motivations and inner workings. Most of what follows I just worked out over the last few days of thinking about this, so it may not make a lot of sense.

Fourth, I am not really good at explaining these sorts of things, so please bear with me.

Now that that’s clear, I’ll get down to it.

I just don’t relate to this guy at all. For me, “dominant” isn’t something I do, it is just something that I am. There is no need or drive or desire, I could no more not be dominant than I could not breath. I have no burning need to control; I just tend to do so without really thinking about it. I have no dangerous dark desire to get my way, I just get my way most of the time. My dominance doesn’t control or drive me; it is just part of me. It’s not something I turn on or off, it just is. Until Dizzy and I decided to formally incorporate a degree of power exchange into our relationship, I wasn’t really even conscious of being dominant, she pointed things out to me; it is just that innate a part of my nature.

I also don’t get his desire to break and ruin. I want the object of my attentions to be improved, even in a vanilla situation, when I try to persuade people to go along with me; it is never to diminish them in any way. For me the point of having somebody submit to me is for them to be the better for having done so. For their lives to be improved, for them to be happier and more content. For them to grow, not into what I want them to be, but to grow as themselves. I don’t want Dizzy to stop being Dizzy, I want her to be a happier and more fulfilled, Dizzier Dizzy as a result of submitting to me. To grow as the person she is, into the person she wants to be.

Nor do I have any desire to be her God, or be worshiped. For me, the reward is to be followed because I am trusted to lead, not out of any fear or misplaced belief in my brilliance or my infallibility. In fact, one of Dizzy’s most important duties is to speak up when she thinks I am making a mistake. I couldn’t imagine wanting to be with somebody who didn’t do that, I have no fondness for sycophants in the wider world and I certainly don’t want one in my private life. And when she does, I expect her to argue her position, not just meekly give in. Yes, in the end I want her to accept my decision, but to my mind her doing so knowing I have actually heard and listened to her and have seriously considered her points, is far more meaningful than if she did so just because I said because I said so. And, more often than not, when she speaks up, she is right. And I value that enormously, because having accepted responsibility for being the leader, I really don’t want to mess things up. A good leader listens to his advisers and seeks out the opinions and advice of experts. He recognizes both his own weaknesses and the strengths of those who follow him, and makes use of those strengths to offset his weaknesses.

I also do not agree with the “devolution from man to beast” idea either. I may indulge some freaky ideas and fantasies that are not very socially acceptable, but I am never a beast. I remain at all times a man, I remain at all times in control of both myself and the situation. This is especially so because Dizzy, by the very nature of the dynamic and some of the things we do cannot be. She puts her safety, both physical and emotional in my hands, so I must remain in control least I harm her. That is the essential core of a power exchange to my mind, it may be unspoken, but when somebody submits to another, they are saying that they trust that other person to remain in control.

I also disagree with him about not speaking of wants and preferences. First of all, if I am to lead you, I need to know where you want to go. And secondly, I do not like the sort of games he implies by saying he wants you to say you need him to walk you to the car. I want her to be very clear about her needs and her desires, and which is which. While both should be satisfied in a relationship, needs take precedence over desires.

I am also not attracted to weakness or docility, as any of you familiar with Dizzy have probably figured out by now. I am attracted to the exact opposite. For me, it is far more gratifying when a strong, assertive, and capable woman who doesn’t need guidance turns to me for guidance. That tells me they do not need my guidance, they want it, and that means more to me. Though I will admit I am drawn to people with problems or issues, not because I like to exploit them, but because I am a fixer by nature. I like to repair things, not break them further. I like to help people. This happens in my everyday life, at work and with friends and family. People turn to me for advice and counsel, even if my advice is just that they talk to a lawyer or a therapist or a priest. People turn to me not because I am a genius, but because something about me inspires their trust. And to my mind that thing that inspires their trust is the same thing that makes me a dominant person.

That is the way I see it, of course, I may be completely wrong.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.


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RE: pain - 12/18/2016 8:58:01 AM   
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How am I supposed to just 'get over' a brain chemistry dysfunction? I'm fourth generation mood disorder. Probably more than that but there's no knowledge of familial health prior to immigrating here in the late 1800's.

Do you also tell Type I diabetics that they could just give up their insulin if they focused more on their partner? Because that's the true comparison here.

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RE: pain - 12/18/2016 9:47:58 AM   
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Never mind, I get it now.

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RE: pain - 12/18/2016 5:24:29 PM   
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How am I supposed to just 'get over' a brain chemistry dysfunction? I'm fourth generation mood disorder. Probably more than that but there's no knowledge of familial health prior to immigrating here in the late 1800's.

Do you also tell Type I diabetics that they could just give up their insulin if they focused more on their partner? Because that's the true comparison here.

That's an excuse for you.... it's a crutch. If you focus on your partner instead of yourself you'll notice a big difference in what you can take. (And no... making him coffee in the morning is not what i mean by focusing on him).

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RE: pain - 12/18/2016 6:45:11 PM   
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Ah, you know, it is generally considered stupid for untrained people to prescribe quack cures online.

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