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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Clearly you are wiser than I as a mere American could possibly be but you really thing that 1000 people should be deprived of the right to do something because one person does something wrong related to that right? By that logic cars should have been banned decades ago.

Sensible gun laws are those that do not affect legitimate gun owners but stick it to misuse of guns. I always support those. Unfortunately I am yet to see such a law suggested by any democrat.

I'm not wiser than you as an American, I'm wiser than you as an individual... and I promise I am not alone in that. It's not even really such a staggering accomplishment.

And the right to do what, exactly? I haven't said anything about my personal beliefs regarding gun control and you've already jumped to some sort of non-specific conclusion about what I think should be done. By the looks of it, you're already certain I support a total gun ban.

I honestly don't have any idea how to deal with the gun situation in America... but I think the culture in general probably plays a big role in mass shootings and I don't mean the media exclusively. Surely there is some sort of middle ground that would make it more difficult for mass-shooters while merely inconveniencing the legit gun lovers?

The culture has nothing to do with mass shootings. The mental health problems here are the problem.

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Are you sure culture has nothing to do with it? How do people with mental health issues such as these have such easy access to guns?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

And without gangs/drugs/mental health issues in Canada and the UK, the murder numbers would drop heavily too.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Clearly you are wiser than I as a mere American could possibly be but you really thing that 1000 people should be deprived of the right to do something because one person does something wrong related to that right? By that logic cars should have been banned decades ago.

Sensible gun laws are those that do not affect legitimate gun owners but stick it to misuse of guns. I always support those. Unfortunately I am yet to see such a law suggested by any democrat.

I'm not wiser than you as an American, I'm wiser than you as an individual... and I promise I am not alone in that. It's not even really such a staggering accomplishment.

And the right to do what, exactly? I haven't said anything about my personal beliefs regarding gun control and you've already jumped to some sort of non-specific conclusion about what I think should be done. By the looks of it, you're already certain I support a total gun ban.

I honestly don't have any idea how to deal with the gun situation in America... but I think the culture in general probably plays a big role in mass shootings and I don't mean the media exclusively. Surely there is some sort of middle ground that would make it more difficult for mass-shooters while merely inconveniencing the legit gun lovers?

The culture has nothing to do with mass shootings. The mental health problems here are the problem.

Yeah, and the same type of lazy shrinks who wrote scrips for the Columbine shooters and let them out on the streets are going to be the ones who say if you can have a gun or not ?

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

And without gangs/drugs/mental health issues in Canada and the UK, the murder numbers would drop heavily too.

And I've read (but not absolutely verified) that if you took out a few US cities with the highest gun violence and strict gun laws, our gun violence rate is not high.

There are gang wars, or turf wars going on between rivaling gangs. If their stock in trade was legal and available at the local drugstore they would have nothing to fight about. Their brothers and cousins went to prison for decades bringing in product, they'll be damned is they aren't going to be able to sell it.

And it ain't just the Bloods and the Crips, there are thousands of gangs now, each pushing for their own hegemony in the market. There is a ton of money involved and money is why the US government kills and that is what they have learned, to be ruthless. They learned in the school playgrounds from bullies, they learned from the government using force irresponsibly, they learned from business using oney to buy the government to favor them.

What the fuck do you think they are going to do ?

There are still some neighborhoods where you have to "wear colors" just to walk down the street unaccosted. It was a big thing back in the 1970s when their Parent grew up, not so much anymore. If I go to one of those places it is to cop. Get some weed. They're not going to fuck with me, I am a customer.

And with all this gun violence, you haven't heard of any drivebys lately huh. Know why ? Bullets cost money. They want a otherfucker dead they want THAT motherfucker dead. The rest of the family and neighborhood did nothing to them.

Even what people mistakenly call the "mafia" does not threaten family usually. But if your Daddy was a terrorist Obama will send a drone for you.

There is no mafia, but if there was I would rather deal with them than the government. And yes, I am "made". Two fucking words in court did that for me. But there is no mafia, it is just known that I know when to keep y mouth shut.

The government wants to take away guns. The supposed mafia wants to give out guns. Who is your friend ? If I go to a friend who has alot of guns and ask to borrow one I can get it. I would not ask unless there was a bad problem, and I don't make bad problems. But go to the government and ask, they'll laugh at you.

There was a group, they might still exist but I haven't heard about them lately who were goping out and giving guns to low income, mostly elderly people who were still viable enough to use them and passed a background check. New York said it would not be allowed but they can go fuck themselves. If I EVER wake up in New york I WANT to be dead right then and there. Fucking cesspool. Some people like it but the reason is beyond me.

But, my car had a flat tire, so we need more gun control. That is no stupider than the asshole who spawned the OP to post this and create this thread. The lightbulb burned out on the motion sensor light on the garage, we need more gun control.

There is a rabid dog eating people in the neighborhood, we need more gun control.

People got their mantras. A republican gets elected, it is because of racists. Someone fucks up or falls down it is because of alcohol or drugs. Always the same shit when there are all kids of other reasons. We don't have jobs because of republicans. Ask fucking Germany about that, THEY don't have enough jobs. Ask England why they voted for Brexit, they must be racist. Sure, every country wants another country to open up their prisons and send them right ? You think they are sending doctors and engineers ? Fuck no, they are sending thieves, rapists and murderers.

Trump wants to cut that off, YOU take them.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Yep... and Chicago has a pressing need of grave stones for the 700 murdered... most in gun violence.... this year so far

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

And without gangs/drugs/mental health issues in Canada and the UK, the murder numbers would drop heavily too.

And I've read (but not absolutely verified) that if you took out a few US cities with the highest gun violence and strict gun laws, our gun violence rate is not high.

There are gang wars, or turf wars going on between rivaling gangs. If their stock in trade was legal and available at the local drugstore they would have nothing to fight about. Their brothers and cousins went to prison for decades bringing in product, they'll be damned is they aren't going to be able to sell it.

And it ain't just the Bloods and the Crips, there are thousands of gangs now, each pushing for their own hegemony in the market. There is a ton of money involved and money is why the US government kills and that is what they have learned, to be ruthless. They learned in the school playgrounds from bullies, they learned from the government using force irresponsibly, they learned from business using oney to buy the government to favor them.

What the fuck do you think they are going to do ?

There are still some neighborhoods where you have to "wear colors" just to walk down the street unaccosted. It was a big thing back in the 1970s when their Parent grew up, not so much anymore. If I go to one of those places it is to cop. Get some weed. They're not going to fuck with me, I am a customer.

And with all this gun violence, you haven't heard of any drivebys lately huh. Know why ? Bullets cost money. They want a otherfucker dead they want THAT motherfucker dead. The rest of the family and neighborhood did nothing to them.

Even what people mistakenly call the "mafia" does not threaten family usually. But if your Daddy was a terrorist Obama will send a drone for you.

There is no mafia, but if there was I would rather deal with them than the government. And yes, I am "made". Two fucking words in court did that for me. But there is no mafia, it is just known that I know when to keep y mouth shut.

The government wants to take away guns. The supposed mafia wants to give out guns. Who is your friend ? If I go to a friend who has alot of guns and ask to borrow one I can get it. I would not ask unless there was a bad problem, and I don't make bad problems. But go to the government and ask, they'll laugh at you.

There was a group, they might still exist but I haven't heard about them lately who were goping out and giving guns to low income, mostly elderly people who were still viable enough to use them and passed a background check. New York said it would not be allowed but they can go fuck themselves. If I EVER wake up in New york I WANT to be dead right then and there. Fucking cesspool. Some people like it but the reason is beyond me.

But, my car had a flat tire, so we need more gun control. That is no stupider than the asshole who spawned the OP to post this and create this thread. The lightbulb burned out on the motion sensor light on the garage, we need more gun control.

There is a rabid dog eating people in the neighborhood, we need more gun control.

People got their mantras. A republican gets elected, it is because of racists. Someone fucks up or falls down it is because of alcohol or drugs. Always the same shit when there are all kids of other reasons. We don't have jobs because of republicans. Ask fucking Germany about that, THEY don't have enough jobs. Ask England why they voted for Brexit, they must be racist. Sure, every country wants another country to open up their prisons and send them right ? You think they are sending doctors and engineers ? Fuck no, they are sending thieves, rapists and murderers.

Trump wants to cut that off, YOU take them.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It kinda does. IF this attack happen in a gun-free zone. So a no-gun attack, in a gun-control zone. Calls for more gun control.
It's kinda dumb.

I obviously mean the argument in general... but thanks for explaining to everyone that knife attacks wouldn't be prevented by more gun control.

They just were. The motherfucker was stabbing people and someone shot him.

How does it feel to be so illogical ? (not you maybe)
T^T

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
At least you admit you don't know something.
All of the so called sensible gun control measure proposed are based on the trickle down theory of crime control, stick it to the legitimate gun owners enough and some day it will trickle down to affect criminals.

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The background checks provide for preventing sales to the mentally ill, but since entry of information is needed is not mandatory many states refuse to put that and other information into said system. If you want sensible laws wouldn't making that mandatory a good place to start, doesn't inconvenience legitimate owners but it would give the system a chance to work.

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Two the system is grossly underfunded and undermanned how about fully funding and manning the system, doesn't that make sense? Universal checks can't do any good when they have neither the information, money or manpower to do the job now can it? How about we try enforcing the laws we already have? Did you know that a straw purchase in already illegal. Go to a gun store and buy a gun for someone else and you have committed perjury, says so right on the form which you have to sign. If you look at the gun crimes being committed you will find that the vast majority have guns illegally obtained, (yes I know you can find a case where a legal owner committed a crime but they are the minority) and among those who "legally " owned the firearm it is quite often because some of that information wasn't entered into the system.

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Hillary wanted to follow Australia's lead and ban the vast majority of firearms, do you consider that to be a minor inconvenience? DC banned hand guns and made it a felony to have a loaded long gun, do you consider that minor?
Chicago banned handguns, minor. A law takes effect in CA in two years banning firearms that don't use a technology that doesn't exist, minor?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

And without gangs/drugs/mental health issues in Canada and the UK, the murder numbers would drop heavily too.

And I've read (but not absolutely verified) that if you took out a few US cities with the highest gun violence and strict gun laws, our gun violence rate is not high.

There are gang wars, or turf wars going on between rivaling gangs. If their stock in trade was legal and available at the local drugstore they would have nothing to fight about. Their brothers and cousins went to prison for decades bringing in product, they'll be damned is they aren't going to be able to sell it.

And it ain't just the Bloods and the Crips, there are thousands of gangs now, each pushing for their own hegemony in the market. There is a ton of money involved and money is why the US government kills and that is what they have learned, to be ruthless. They learned in the school playgrounds from bullies, they learned from the government using force irresponsibly, they learned from business using oney to buy the government to favor them.

What the fuck do you think they are going to do ?

There are still some neighborhoods where you have to "wear colors" just to walk down the street unaccosted. It was a big thing back in the 1970s when their Parent grew up, not so much anymore. If I go to one of those places it is to cop. Get some weed. They're not going to fuck with me, I am a customer.

And with all this gun violence, you haven't heard of any drivebys lately huh. Know why ? Bullets cost money. They want a otherfucker dead they want THAT motherfucker dead. The rest of the family and neighborhood did nothing to them.

Even what people mistakenly call the "mafia" does not threaten family usually. But if your Daddy was a terrorist Obama will send a drone for you.

There is no mafia, but if there was I would rather deal with them than the government. And yes, I am "made". Two fucking words in court did that for me. But there is no mafia, it is just known that I know when to keep y mouth shut.

The government wants to take away guns. The supposed mafia wants to give out guns. Who is your friend ? If I go to a friend who has alot of guns and ask to borrow one I can get it. I would not ask unless there was a bad problem, and I don't make bad problems. But go to the government and ask, they'll laugh at you.

There was a group, they might still exist but I haven't heard about them lately who were goping out and giving guns to low income, mostly elderly people who were still viable enough to use them and passed a background check. New York said it would not be allowed but they can go fuck themselves. If I EVER wake up in New york I WANT to be dead right then and there. Fucking cesspool. Some people like it but the reason is beyond me.

But, my car had a flat tire, so we need more gun control. That is no stupider than the asshole who spawned the OP to post this and create this thread. The lightbulb burned out on the motion sensor light on the garage, we need more gun control.

There is a rabid dog eating people in the neighborhood, we need more gun control.

People got their mantras. A republican gets elected, it is because of racists. Someone fucks up or falls down it is because of alcohol or drugs. Always the same shit when there are all kids of other reasons. We don't have jobs because of republicans. Ask fucking Germany about that, THEY don't have enough jobs. Ask England why they voted for Brexit, they must be racist. Sure, every country wants another country to open up their prisons and send them right ? You think they are sending doctors and engineers ? Fuck no, they are sending thieves, rapists and murderers.

Trump wants to cut that off, YOU take them.

T^T

what does that have to do with what I said... I said nothing about guns.

I was simply pointing out that most murders in the UK and Canada are influenced by gangs, drugs and mentally ill people or a mix. And if you took those numbers out of the UK and canadian murder counts like Bama suggested for the US, the US would still be fucking higher.

For example, nothing to do with the US, but when Brevik murdered all those people in norway, it pushed their murder rate to 2.2 per 100,000 population
There were a total of 111 murders in Norway in 2011.
If he had been an american(for example) he would be discounted(by Bama) because he was a fucking loony and there goes 77 deaths being discounted for mental health reasons.
Norways murder rate since 2011, has since dropped. to 0.6, whose actual figures are between 29-34 deaths per year.

Gang violence happens in the UK AND canada.
from wiki....
With regards to street gangs the cities identified as having the most serious gang problems, which also accounted for 65% of firearm homicides in England and Wales, were London, Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool. Glasgow in Scotland also has a historical gang culture with the city having 6 times as many teenage gangs as London, which has ten times the population, per capita.

65 % of firearms homicides, so if we take out 65 % of the crime numbers, thats a huge dent in gun homicides, let alone homicide

In canada
In 2013, Vancouver recorded the most gang-related homicides, with 18 slayings. Stats Can ranked Montreal next with 16 victims, and there were 14 in Toronto, four in Winnipeg and three in Edmonton.
Canadian police services reported 505 homicides in 2013, 57 of them gang related.( and thats just 5 cities) so theres 57 less deaths because of gangs....it reduces overall murder stats.

Im not going to do the work on drugs or mental health murders, but I am pointing out the totally bogus bullshit claim about "what if" the US could remove gangs drugs and mental health from the murder numbers. without doing the same with Canuck and UK crime figures.

facts not bullshit.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It kinda does. IF this attack happen in a gun-free zone. So a no-gun attack, in a gun-control zone. Calls for more gun control.
It's kinda dumb.

I obviously mean the argument in general... but thanks for explaining to everyone that knife attacks wouldn't be prevented by more gun control.

They just were. The motherfucker was stabbing people and someone shot him.

How does it feel to be so illogical ? (not you maybe)
T^T

Wait... so the knife attacks WERE prevented by more gun control?
Oh wait, no, actually the problem is you can't read.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Arguing with no one...just commenting on the necessity of guns for protection....I'm sure with more guns one one would be murdered.