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I obviously mean the argument in general... but thanks for explaining to everyone that knife attacks wouldn't be prevented by more gun control.

They just were. The motherfucker was stabbing people and someone shot him.

How does it feel to be so illogical ? (not you maybe)
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Wait... so the knife attacks WERE prevented by more gun control?
Oh wait, no, actually the problem is you can't read.

I can't read ? WTF.

I am almost done with these forums. People are just too stupid, I can't believe some of them can type.

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"Yes, I think it's a good idea... but the NRA thinks that such measures are unfair to mentally ill people who might not have 'severe' conditions and also want to own guns. It also says that it would create incentives for these people not to seek treatment, because their desire to own guns is so great that they're willing to sacrifice their mental health for them, and we should be more mindful of their feelings.
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You are so seriously full of shit that your whole town is brown. You have NO IDEA of the NRA's stance on anything if you made a statement like that. Why don't you go to their website and see what they say rather than repeating the lies that gungrabber websites say that they say ? Or is that against your liberal religion ?

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I obviously mean the argument in general... but thanks for explaining to everyone that knife attacks wouldn't be prevented by more gun control.

They just were. The motherfucker was stabbing people and someone shot him.

How does it feel to be so illogical ? (not you maybe)
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Wait... so the knife attacks WERE prevented by more gun control?
Oh wait, no, actually the problem is you can't read.

I can't read ? WTF.

I am almost done with these forums. People are just too stupid, I can't believe some of them can type.

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1. I said 'I obviously mean the argument in general... but thanks for explaining to everyone that knife attacks wouldn't be prevented by more gun control.' KNIFE ATTACKS WOULD NOT BE PREVENTED BY MORE GUN CONTROL.

2. You said 'They just were. The motherfucker was stabbing people and someone shot him. How does it feel to be so illogical ?' BECAUSE YOU WERE REFERENCING WHAT I JUST SAID, 'THEY' IN THIS CASE REFERS TO KNIFE ATTACKS AND 'WERE' REFERS TO 'BEING PREVENTED BY GUN CONTROL'. But unlike you, I at least paid attention enough to realize you had misread my post. The knife attacked occurred, gun control didn't give the guy who shot him his weapon. What you say is either a product of not paying attention or incredible amounts of stupidity. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt so far, but it could be a mistake.

3. SO I said 'Wait... so the knife attacks WERE prevented by more gun control?' CLEARLY TRYING TO GET YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND WHY YOU WERE MISTAKEN.

Now you say I'm so stupid you can't believe I can type.

LOOK AT THE ACTUAL POSTS YOU FRUSTRATINGLY STUPID AND ANNOYING FUCK.

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"Yes, I think it's a good idea... but the NRA thinks that such measures are unfair to mentally ill people who might not have 'severe' conditions and also want to own guns. It also says that it would create incentives for these people not to seek treatment, because their desire to own guns is so great that they're willing to sacrifice their mental health for them, and we should be more mindful of their feelings.
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You are so seriously full of shit that your whole town is brown. You have NO IDEA of the NRA's stance on anything if you made a statement like that. Why don't you go to their website and see what they say rather than repeating the lies that gungrabber websites say that they say ? Or is that against your liberal religion ?

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A person cannot be federally disqualified from owning a gun based simply on a psychiatrist’s diagnosis, a doctor’s referral, or the opinion of a law enforcement officer, let alone based on getting a drug prescription or seeking mental health treatment. Doing so would actually discourage troubled people from getting the help they need.

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At least one attempt has been made to ban gun ownership by anyone with any recognized diagnosis from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders—an outrageously broad standard that would affect the rights of countless Americans.

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"Yes, I think it's a good idea... but the NRA thinks that such measures are unfair to mentally ill people who might not have 'severe' conditions and also want to own guns. It also says that it would create incentives for these people not to seek treatment, because their desire to own guns is so great that they're willing to sacrifice their mental health for them, and we should be more mindful of their feelings.
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You are so seriously full of shit that your whole town is brown. You have NO IDEA of the NRA's stance on anything if you made a statement like that. Why don't you go to their website and see what they say rather than repeating the lies that gungrabber websites say that they say ? Or is that against your liberal religion ?

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Wow you don't even fully understand what you're so vehemently opposed to.
Not surprising for someone so lazy, but still incredibly stupid.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130124/mental-health-and-firearms

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A person cannot be federally disqualified from owning a gun based simply on a psychiatrist’s diagnosis, a doctor’s referral, or the opinion of a law enforcement officer, let alone based on getting a drug prescription or seeking mental health treatment. Doing so would actually discourage troubled people from getting the help they need.

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At least one attempt has been made to ban gun ownership by anyone with any recognized diagnosis from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders—an outrageously broad standard that would affect the rights of countless Americans.

Exactly what I said, straight from the NRA's own website.

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Which means that they don't want people barred from owning a firearm because they were treated for depression 20 years ago.

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"Yes, I think it's a good idea... but the NRA thinks that such measures are unfair to mentally ill people who might not have 'severe' conditions and also want to own guns. It also says that it would create incentives for these people not to seek treatment, because their desire to own guns is so great that they're willing to sacrifice their mental health for them, and we should be more mindful of their feelings.
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You are so seriously full of shit that your whole town is brown. You have NO IDEA of the NRA's stance on anything if you made a statement like that. Why don't you go to their website and see what they say rather than repeating the lies that gungrabber websites say that they say ? Or is that against your liberal religion ?

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Wow you don't even fully understand what you're so vehemently opposed to.
Not surprising for someone so lazy, but still incredibly stupid.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130124/mental-health-and-firearms

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A person cannot be federally disqualified from owning a gun based simply on a psychiatrist’s diagnosis, a doctor’s referral, or the opinion of a law enforcement officer, let alone based on getting a drug prescription or seeking mental health treatment. Doing so would actually discourage troubled people from getting the help they need.

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At least one attempt has been made to ban gun ownership by anyone with any recognized diagnosis from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders—an outrageously broad standard that would affect the rights of countless Americans.

Exactly what I said, straight from the NRA's own website.

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Well maybe I did misread it, but it was you who made it ambiguous.
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Which means that they don't want people barred from owning a firearm because they were treated for depression 20 years ago.

You do realize I was posting the NRA-propaganda interpretation, and they can't be counted on to support anything that might hurt gun sales?

I'm not in the mood to go searching for what the content of these proposed bills actually was (and no, you can't rely on pro-gun sites or partisan news to be honest about it), but I'm not sure if HAVING a recognized diagnosis is the same as HAVING HAD a recognized diagnosis, and considering you had already labelled me a brainwashed slave of the liberal media for my earlier comments which I just showed you are true, I'm not willing to trust your judgment here without seeing non-partisan proof that the Dems or whoever were trying to 'bar people from owning a firearm because they were treated for depression 20 years ago'.

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And you problem with that ? the same motherfuckers who gave the Columbine shooter scrips for psychotropic drugs should decide if each of us should have guns ? they are a bunch of lazy slackerds. I am a better shrink than them.

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You are so seriously full of shit that your whole town is brown. You have NO IDEA of the NRA's stance on anything if you made a statement like that. Why don't you go to their website and see what they say rather than repeating the lies that gungrabber websites say that they say ? Or is that against your liberal religion ?

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You do know that a good shrink can find a problem with anyone?
You do know that there is a difference between having a problem and being a danger?
Example I have an extreme fear of highs this would be considered a "mental problem" is there any reason to think that should bar me from firearm ownership? Of course not, but when you pass a law requiring everyone diagnosed with a mental problem would do so.

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You do know that a good shrink can find a problem with anyone?
You do know that there is a difference between having a problem and being a danger?
Example I have an extreme fear of highs this would be considered a "mental problem" is there any reason to think that should bar me from firearm ownership? Of course not, but when you pass a law requiring everyone diagnosed with a mental problem would do so.

This isn't a debate we can have without actually looking into whether or not the MOST SUPPORTED proposals mean that things like acrophobia would disqualify you from gun ownership. I honestly can't imagine that being the case.

The site said 'at least one attempt'... and when you consider the source, you should probably assume that they found the MOST ridiculously worded proposal of them all and mentioned it to stir up your anxieties in service of their agenda.

So what about the other attempts? I'm sure there have been more than a few, and I guarantee you're not going to hear about the more moderate proposals from the fucking NRA.

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You do know that a good shrink can find a problem with anyone?
You do know that there is a difference between having a problem and being a danger?
Example I have an extreme fear of highs this would be considered a "mental problem" is there any reason to think that should bar me from firearm ownership? Of course not, but when you pass a law requiring everyone diagnosed with a mental problem would do so.

This isn't a debate we can have without actually looking into whether or not the MOST SUPPORTED proposals mean that things like acrophobia would disqualify you from gun ownership. I honestly can't imagine that being the case.

The site said 'at least one attempt'... and when you consider the source, you should probably assume that they found the MOST ridiculously worded proposal of them all and mentioned it to stir up your anxieties in service of their agenda.

So what about the other attempts? I'm sure there have been more than a few, and I guarantee you're not going to hear about the more moderate proposals from the fucking NRA.

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Which means that they don't want people barred from owning a firearm because they were treated for depression 20 years ago.

You do realize I was posting the NRA-propaganda interpretation, and they can't be counted on to support anything that might hurt gun sales?

I'm not in the mood to go searching for what the content of these proposed bills actually was (and no, you can't rely on pro-gun sites or partisan news to be honest about it), but I'm not sure if HAVING a recognized diagnosis is the same as HAVING HAD a recognized diagnosis, and considering you had already labelled me a brainwashed slave of the liberal media for my earlier comments which I just showed you are true, I'm not willing to trust your judgment here without seeing non-partisan proof that the Dems or whoever were trying to 'bar people from owning a firearm because they were treated for depression 20 years ago'.

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And without gangs/drugs/mental health issues in Canada and the UK, the murder numbers would drop heavily too.

And I've read (but not absolutely verified) that if you took out a few US cities with the highest gun violence and strict gun laws, our gun violence rate is not high.

There are gang wars, or turf wars going on between rivaling gangs. If their stock in trade was legal and available at the local drugstore they would have nothing to fight about. Their brothers and cousins went to prison for decades bringing in product, they'll be damned is they aren't going to be able to sell it.

And it ain't just the Bloods and the Crips, there are thousands of gangs now, each pushing for their own hegemony in the market. There is a ton of money involved and money is why the US government kills and that is what they have learned, to be ruthless. They learned in the school playgrounds from bullies, they learned from the government using force irresponsibly, they learned from business using oney to buy the government to favor them.

What the fuck do you think they are going to do ?

There are still some neighborhoods where you have to "wear colors" just to walk down the street unaccosted. It was a big thing back in the 1970s when their Parent grew up, not so much anymore. If I go to one of those places it is to cop. Get some weed. They're not going to fuck with me, I am a customer.

And with all this gun violence, you haven't heard of any drivebys lately huh. Know why ? Bullets cost money. They want a otherfucker dead they want THAT motherfucker dead. The rest of the family and neighborhood did nothing to them.

Even what people mistakenly call the "mafia" does not threaten family usually. But if your Daddy was a terrorist Obama will send a drone for you.

There is no mafia, but if there was I would rather deal with them than the government. And yes, I am "made". Two fucking words in court did that for me. But there is no mafia, it is just known that I know when to keep y mouth shut.

The government wants to take away guns. The supposed mafia wants to give out guns. Who is your friend ? If I go to a friend who has alot of guns and ask to borrow one I can get it. I would not ask unless there was a bad problem, and I don't make bad problems. But go to the government and ask, they'll laugh at you.

There was a group, they might still exist but I haven't heard about them lately who were goping out and giving guns to low income, mostly elderly people who were still viable enough to use them and passed a background check. New York said it would not be allowed but they can go fuck themselves. If I EVER wake up in New york I WANT to be dead right then and there. Fucking cesspool. Some people like it but the reason is beyond me.

But, my car had a flat tire, so we need more gun control. That is no stupider than the asshole who spawned the OP to post this and create this thread. The lightbulb burned out on the motion sensor light on the garage, we need more gun control.

There is a rabid dog eating people in the neighborhood, we need more gun control.

People got their mantras. A republican gets elected, it is because of racists. Someone fucks up or falls down it is because of alcohol or drugs. Always the same shit when there are all kids of other reasons. We don't have jobs because of republicans. Ask fucking Germany about that, THEY don't have enough jobs. Ask England why they voted for Brexit, they must be racist. Sure, every country wants another country to open up their prisons and send them right ? You think they are sending doctors and engineers ? Fuck no, they are sending thieves, rapists and murderers.

Trump wants to cut that off, YOU take them.

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what does that have to do with what I said... I said nothing about guns.

I was simply pointing out that most murders in the UK and Canada are influenced by gangs, drugs and mentally ill people or a mix. And if you took those numbers out of the UK and canadian murder counts like Bama suggested for the US, the US would still be fucking higher.

For example, nothing to do with the US, but when Brevik murdered all those people in norway, it pushed their murder rate to 2.2 per 100,000 population
There were a total of 111 murders in Norway in 2011.
If he had been an american(for example) he would be discounted(by Bama) because he was a fucking loony and there goes 77 deaths being discounted for mental health reasons.
Norways murder rate since 2011, has since dropped. to 0.6, whose actual figures are between 29-34 deaths per year.

Gang violence happens in the UK AND canada.
from wiki....
With regards to street gangs the cities identified as having the most serious gang problems, which also accounted for 65% of firearm homicides in England and Wales, were London, Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool. Glasgow in Scotland also has a historical gang culture with the city having 6 times as many teenage gangs as London, which has ten times the population, per capita.

65 % of firearms homicides, so if we take out 65 % of the crime numbers, thats a huge dent in gun homicides, let alone homicide

In canada
In 2013, Vancouver recorded the most gang-related homicides, with 18 slayings. Stats Can ranked Montreal next with 16 victims, and there were 14 in Toronto, four in Winnipeg and three in Edmonton.
Canadian police services reported 505 homicides in 2013, 57 of them gang related.( and thats just 5 cities) so theres 57 less deaths because of gangs....it reduces overall murder stats.

Im not going to do the work on drugs or mental health murders, but I am pointing out the totally bogus bullshit claim about "what if" the US could remove gangs drugs and mental health from the murder numbers. without doing the same with Canuck and UK crime figures.

facts not bullshit.

I used to like you.

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