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Wayward5oul -> RE: People with submissive profiles denying they are submissive (12/18/2016 10:35:27 PM)
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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
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I stated from the beginning that saying that a submissive is a follower implies a general personality trait
Yes, just as saying they are submissive implies a general personality trait.
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What you added above are basically the caveats I was referring to.
What I added above are the caveats you applied to their submission.
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A person who is submissive may only be submissive within an intimate relationship with a dominant, and she will follow his lead within that relationship, yet in other areas of her life she may have a role as a leader.
Correct, and in those other areas of her life she is not being submissive, and thus her being a leader is irrelevant.
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Now, just saying that a submissive is a follower completely ignores all these variations and the many others that could be added with a little more time.
And saying they are submissive also completely ignores all these variations and the many others that could be added with little more time.
Every argument you have against using the word follower is equally applicable to the word submissive.
Gee, it's looking an awful lot like the two terms are more or less interchangeable isn't it?
You know, wording it this way, It actually makes the word follow even less correct to me. It makes it more clear to me why I am struggling with this - it is with the use "follow", not because it has a negative connotation, but because it has a different connotation than what I see as submission. Follow is too far off the mark for me, caveat or not. Follow lacks the idea of surrender, of yielding, of deferring...it doesn't include some aspects that to me, are crucial to submission, such as entrusting yourself to someone else, and obedience.
Follow just doesn't fit for me at all, not in a general sense, nor a specific sense. I can see it being a part of other dynamics, depending on how entrenched the D/s in day-to-day lives, but even for them I would think they would agree that 'follow' leaves out the idea of what many consider basic elements of submission.
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