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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 12:04:15 PM   
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Nice try VML.

Oh, "well done" would be more appropriate.

Well, for your small circle of kool aid drinking racists, to make you all feel better, well done VML.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 12:26:42 PM   
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Nice try VML.

Oh, "well done" would be more appropriate.

Well, for your small circle of kool aid drinking racists, to make you all feel better, well done VML.

Thank you, Nnanji. Mighty white of you . . . .

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 12:40:36 PM   
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Vincent, lets not forget the "privileged brown and black boys too!"


sighsssss . . . . once again a few minority students suffer for the misdeeds of the privileged white male majority.

The privilege is built into Western culture . . . it is the "invisible cloak" of entitlement that gives license to white males to abuse women and racial minorities, it is that sense of superiority we are all raised with.

No...pretty much everything you're saying here is an evil construct with which no reasonable person agrees. It may be based on some subtle truths, but all of the best lies do that.


to your very point, if I am reading him rightly, my pointing out that the team has a fair number of blacks and Hispanics is not a contradiction to his "white privileged" narrative, but rather, as those innocent unfortunates were caught up in the evil white boys designs, enforces it instead.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 12:59:36 PM   
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Vincent, lets not forget the "privileged brown and black boys too!"


sighsssss . . . . once again a few minority students suffer for the misdeeds of the privileged white male majority.

The privilege is built into Western culture . . . it is the "invisible cloak" of entitlement that gives license to white males to abuse women and racial minorities, it is that sense of superiority we are all raised with.

No...pretty much everything you're saying here is an evil construct with which no reasonable person agrees. It may be based on some subtle truths, but all of the best lies do that.


to your very point, if I am reading him rightly, my pointing out that the team has a fair number of blacks and Hispanics is not a contradiction to his "white privileged" narrative, but rather, as those innocent unfortunates were caught up in the evil white boys designs, enforces it instead.

And there you see the victimology trap. No matter what you say, they have constructed another false narrative they point to in order to say you're wrong. They must control the language in order to do so. But, when the very root of the philosophy is evil, any branches of that root are also evil no matter how appealing the lie. The only thing to do, in my mind, is to pull out the root. The entire philosophy is evil and not worth arguing. In the history of man, VML says he likes history, this sort of idealology has always been false and eventually discarded. The proper way to argue with people like VML is to deny them the twisted language and insist on proper language and proper truths. You'll see with my arguments with VML, when I did that, it confused him. He's not used to having to explain the kool aid philosophy to make a point. In his world, everyone drinks the kool aid.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 3:12:33 PM   
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it is that sense of superiority we are all raised with.

We are all raised with?

Well thanks for sharing your uniquely peculiar world, but you are not in a position to speak for anyone but yourself.

K.





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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 3:24:11 PM   
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Vincent, lets not forget the "privileged brown and black boys too!"


sighsssss . . . . once again a few minority students suffer for the misdeeds of the privileged white male majority.

The privilege is built into Western culture . . . it is the "invisible cloak" of entitlement that gives license to white males to abuse women and racial minorities, it is that sense of superiority we are all raised with.

No...pretty much everything you're saying here is an evil construct with which no reasonable person agrees. It may be based on some subtle truths, but all of the best lies do that.


to your very point, if I am reading him rightly, my pointing out that the team has a fair number of blacks and Hispanics is not a contradiction to his "white privileged" narrative, but rather, as those innocent unfortunates were caught up in the evil white boys designs, enforces it instead.

So, you want us to believe the students of color on the team made racially disparaging remarks against their own skin pigment?



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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 3:28:03 PM   
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The entire philosophy is evil and not worth arguing. In the history of man, VML says he likes history, this sort of idealology has always been false and eventually discarded.

Could you give some examples of incidents in the history of man when the ideology of oppressed people has been false? I think not. Just a lot of words with no substance.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 3:32:38 PM   
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it is that sense of superiority we are all raised with.

We are all raised with?

Well thanks for sharing your uniquely peculiar world, but you are not in a position to speak for anyone but yourself.

K.


You mean you escaped the aura of entitlement and superiority that white boys experience? You? Tiz to larf!!!

Actually, I am in a position to make a generalization on this topic. By its very nature it is not a topic to be parsed except at best some remote singular experiences. Otherwise, it is safe to apply this to white males in general.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 4:01:34 PM   
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it is that sense of superiority we are all raised with.

We are all raised with?

Well thanks for sharing your uniquely peculiar world, but you are not in a position to speak for anyone but yourself.

You mean you escaped the aura of entitlement and superiority that white boys experience? You? Tiz to larf!!!

Actually, I am in a position to make a generalization on this topic. By its very nature it is not a topic to be parsed except at best some remote singular experiences. Otherwise, it is safe to apply this to white males in general.

You are only in a position to speak for yourself. The rest is projection. Have a nice day.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 5:22:19 PM   
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a good article that echoes many of the sentiments already raised here:

"The Intolerant, Illiberal, Regressive Left and Its Consequences"

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The tribalism, cultural Marxism, and anti-liberalism that permeates the identity politics promoted by the regressive left is self-evident to anyone who has been paying attention to the metastatic growth of the contemporary “social justice” movement over the last few years.

While liberalism as a philosophy has always supported things like freedom of speech and expression, civil discussion and the free exchange of ideas, and judging individuals based on their character, not superficial things like skin color or gender. On the hand, the illiberal left opposes all of these things, and in order to understand why, it is first necessary to understand the ideology behind the “social justice” movement.

At its core, the philosophy of the social justice movement is one firmly rooted in cultural Marxism. Just as Karl Marx saw the capitalist as the exploitative oppressor of the working class, illiberal leftism adopts a worldview in which white people are the oppressor class and minorities, primarily blacks, are the oppressed.

Consequently, illiberal leftism has rejected liberalism’s tendency to judge individuals as individuals and instead adopted the Marxist approach of judging people on the basis of what group they belong to while substituting “race and gender identities for economic ones.”

Consider a student union diversity officer at Goldsmith University, who banned white people and men from an event promoting equality. After accusations of what was obvious racism and sexism, the woman denied the allegations, stating that,

“I, an ethnic minority woman, cannot be racist or sexist towards white men, because racism and sexism describe structures of privilege based on race and gender.”

You may be thinking, “that’s not the definition of racism,” and you’d be correct. Racism, by definition, is the belief that some races are naturally superior to others and that race is the primary determinant of human traits. Racial discrimination is treating people differently solely on the basis of their race, and has nothing to do with “structures or privilege.”

Social justice extremists like this woman have literally redefined what racism is in order to justify their own racism. In their view, their actions are justified as they are a natural response to oppression.

In another clear case of the tribalism promoted by social justice advocates, a young girl in a viral video, to the applause of her classmates, tells her teacher that white people have never been oppressed. I suppose totalitarian African dictators evicting white people from their lands and telling them never to come back doesn’t count as oppression.

It seems very likely that the rise of the regressive left has resulted in more racial animosity between whites and non-whites. When a person is told, or it is implied, that they are a bad person because of their skin color, sexual orientation, or what not, it is natural for them to start to associate even more with that group- identity based on those characteristics rather than seeing themselves as an individual.

And if you put people into groups based on superficial characteristics and then designate one group (white people) as an oppressor class, members of whom are only successful because of some unearned privilege, and another as the oppressed class (minorities, especially blacks), members of whom are only unsuccessful because their oppressed status, naturally division and hatred between the members of these groups is going emerge. The rise of right-wing populism is thus almost certainly a reaction to left-wing identity politics which paints whites in a negative light.

Instead of fostering a unified society where people see themselves as individuals rather than a part of a particular group, the social justice movement is likely responsible for further dividing people along tribalistic lines. There are vastly better means to which eradicate racism and sexism from society than the identity politics upon which the social justice movement is based.

As is by now apparent, the dichotomy between the oppressor vs. the oppressed is also central to understanding Marxist doctrines like that of illiberal leftism. It is also crucial in explaining why these doctrines are so hostile to the individual liberties promoted by liberalism.

Economic Marxism sees free markets and private property rights (i.e economic freedom) as a means to protect the capitalist class from the proletariat that they exploit in order to maintain their socioeconomic hegemony. Consequently, economic Marxists have always been hostile to economic freedom and attempted to curtail it or abolish it outright whenever they have had the power to do so.

Cultural Marxism similarly understands fundamental political freedoms, like freedom of speech and expression, to be mechanisms by which those in power, mainly white heterosexual men, use in order to maintain their socioeconomic hegemony to benefit themselves at the expense of minorities and women. As noted by Jonathon Chaidt in the Atlantic,

“The Marxist left has always dismissed liberalism’s commitment to protecting the rights of its political opponents … as hopelessly naïve. If you maintain equal political rights for the oppressive capitalists and their proletarian victims, this will simply keep in place society’s unequal power relations. Why respect the rights of the class whose power you’re trying to smash? And so, according to Marxist thinking, your political rights depend entirely on what class you belong to.”

Thus, instead of seeing freedom of speech as an individual right that is sacrosanct, the illiberal left sees it as an obstacle in the way of “social justice.” Sadly, this fact has become increasingly obvious. Consider the student protests that occurred in late 2015 at the University of Missouri in response to supposed systemic racism at the campus.

During an interview with MSNBC, the vice President of the Missouri Students Association was asked how she felt about critics who argued that universities were increasingly becoming places of prohibition of freedom of speech/expression. Her response?

“I personally am tired of hearing that first amendment rights protect students when they are creating a hostile and unsafe learning environment for myself and for other students here, I think that it’s important for us to create that distinction and create a space where we can all learn from one another and start to create a place of healing rather than a place where we are experiencing a lot of hate like we have in the past.”

In other words, “safe spaces” are more important than the fundamental right to freedom of speech guaranteed by the United States constitution. This young woman isn’t alone in these sentiments. A recent YouGov poll found that 51% of Democrats (and ~35% of Republicans and Independents) believe that hate speech should be a criminal offense.

Similarly, Pew Research poll recently showed that an astounding 40% of millennials believe that the government should censor statements that are offensive to minorities (35% of Democrats agree, compare to 15% of Republicans.) The finding that young people and Democrats are much more likely to endorse censorship is almost certainly in large part due to the relatively higher prevalence of illiberal leftism amongst these demographics.

This finding is saddening, as it seems young people are increasingly more prone to shame and silence people they disagree with rather than engaging with them in civil debate. In a recent example, Milo Yiannopolis, a gay British conservative, went to Rutgers to give a speech regarding the importance of freedom of speech and speak out against political correctness. Black Lives Matter protestors took it upon themselves to interrupt his speech, smear fake blood on their faces, raise their fists and yell things like, “this man represents hate.”

When the College Republicans and Libertarians at Oberlin College invited Christina Hoff Sommers, a feminist who doesn’t believe women are systematically oppressed, to speak, left-wing student activists put up posters of the names of the students who invited her which stated that they supported “rape culture.” On a similar note, William’s College disinvited an anti-feminist speaker when students said that her presence made them “uncomfortable.”

Ben Shapiro, a conservative commentator, was to give a lecture at CalState on matters like political correctness. But now the President has rescheduled his event, issuing the statement:

“After careful consideration, I have decided that it will be best for our campus community if we reschedule Ben Shapiro’s appearance for a later date, so that we can arrange for him to appear as part of a group of speakers with differing viewpoints on diversity.

Yet, according to Reason magazine: “…one day before the planned Shapiro event—CalState will have an event featuring Angela Davis and Tim Wise. Davis is a far-left feminist and member of the Communist Party. Wise is best described as anti-racism activist who thinks all white people are, to varying degrees, racist. The subject of their lecture is “the U.S.’s uncritical embrace of individualism, myth of meritocracy, unchallenged white supremacy, and entrenched institutional inequity in our society.”

When the far-left speaks on campus, seemingly there is no need to have a contrary opinion expressed in the same lecture. On a similar note, some left-wing academics aren’t much more tolerant than their students.

A study published in Perspectives of Psychological Science found that conservative academics in social psychology fear the negative consequences of being openly conservative, and they are right to do so. The authors of the study report that, “In decisions ranging from paper reviews to hiring, many social and personality psychologists said that they would discriminate against openly conservative colleagues. The more liberal respondents were, the more they said they would discriminate.”

Illiberal leftism is clearly intent on stifling freedom of speech, academic freedom, and the free exchange of ideas, all in the name of social justice. Additionally, though it purports to seek to reduce racial, ethnic, and sexual fragmentation and segregation, it likely has actually done nothing but foster it. For the sake of liberty, equality, and civil society, Western liberals must do their best to convince people that regressive and illiberal leftism is not an ideology worth supporting.


https://beingclassicallyliberal.liberty.me/the-intolerant-illiberal-regressive-left-and-its-consequences/

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 6:05:25 PM   
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Ya, that's what VML is all about. However I believe it's a little more evil than presented in this article.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 6:24:09 PM   
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sorry, there is no "relegating" here that truly involves "prejudice" or "discrimination."

the women's rights have not been harmed and there is no evidence in the language of a belief by the men that the women are inferior based on their gender or skin color.

neither have the women been passed over for anything in life by the men based on those attributes.

nor is the men's vulgar expression of sexuality even an example of disliking the women based on their being female or having other than white skin.


With each example of sexism that I gave, I specifically cited the second definition , which did not mention any of the above.

2 : behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex



The examples that I gave however, do in fact exemplify that second definition. Talking about women as sexual objects is in fact sexism. I am not expanding the definition in any way. All other aspects of these women were insignificant to these young men; the women were introduced to the upcoming team members and ranked according to their sexual attractiveness, their perceived sexual preferences, their perceived sexual talents. Their social value to these men lay in their desirability in the role of sexual plaything. Period.

That is defining a social role based on sex. There is no expanding on definition here. Its just the ugly, sad truth.



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in short, talking about women as sexual objects is not sexism

If it is part of the larger picture that is acknowledged about women, then you are correct, acknowledging women's sexuality is not sexist. But if that's all that you care to acknowledge about a woman, then yes, its sexist. It's all about context.

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and mentioning racial differences while doing so is not racism

so calling someone a nig isn't racist?

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 6:41:34 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6JCCayPG7k

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 6:52:55 PM   
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sorry, there is no "relegating" here that truly involves "prejudice" or "discrimination."

the women's rights have not been harmed and there is no evidence in the language of a belief by the men that the women are inferior based on their gender or skin color.

neither have the women been passed over for anything in life by the men based on those attributes.

nor is the men's vulgar expression of sexuality even an example of disliking the women based on their being female or having other than white skin.


With each example of sexism that I gave, I specifically cited the second definition , which did not mention any of the above.

2 : behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex



The examples that I gave however, do in fact exemplify that second definition. Talking about women as sexual objects is in fact sexism. I am not expanding the definition in any way. All other aspects of these women were insignificant to these young men; the women were introduced to the upcoming team members and ranked according to their sexual attractiveness, their perceived sexual preferences, their perceived sexual talents. Their social value to these men lay in their desirability in the role of sexual plaything. Period.

That is defining a social role based on sex. There is no expanding on definition here. Its just the ugly, sad


You and I have agreed on a lot, but now I have to disagree with you.

If my Mother, sister, aunts, nieces, the woman behind the checkout counter, the librarian, and on, are in the room
I know their social role. A woman walks down the street, I don't know her and likely never will, she's an object. She's the same sort of object to me as is the guy standing next to her. But, what am I mostly probably going to notice about her? If I do meet her somewhere and discover her social role, I'll see her as that and most probably totally forget some fleeting image I may have had before I knew her. The fleeting image did not foster any assignment of social role at all. You are arguing that all men create a rape society and inflict that rape society on helpless women victims. It's just not true, it's bad philosophy no matter what femenazis say. And, I'll bet women are worse in their own way.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 7:11:52 PM   
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Vincent, using the dictionary definitions of the terms "sexist" and "racist", please explain exactly how what these students did fit those definitions.


I don't understand why you are having difficulty with the notion that sexist behavior might include expressing opinions about the sexual desirability, or not, of young women by their appearance, especially when they did not invite such expressions. What you are condoning is a breech of consent quite similar to laying hands on a woman at your whim.



um because words matter and the dictionary is typically a good place to find their meaning.

as i said, i have a problem when lefties re-define words for their own purpose.

what the players did may indeed be offensive, it is not however, racist nor sexist---except for to people who do what i just said.


bounty, the definitions you gave

Definition of sexism
1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women
2 : behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex
From the examples I gave in an earlier post:

“Here you’ll see me with my main bitch ***** and my side hoe *****. Also notice the bump where my penis should be. That’s my penis. The upperclassmen know not to fuck around with these two lovelies, but freshman be warned: touch either of my meat slabs and I will fucking end you. Especially *****. God knows the little one can’t protect herself.”

def #2 - Relegating women to social roles that do nothing more than fulfill sexual urges i.e. main bitch, side hoe, meatslab

In the email, the team member refers to one woman as “a walking STD,” and writes, “Everyone needs their meatslab,”referring to another. He describes a third woman – “Without being too mean, she is a stuck up, snobby, bitch; AKA the perfect formal date for the desperate members of our team.”

def #2 - Also relegating women's social roles to fulfilling sexual urges and a certain negative stereotype serving as the proper date for less fortunate team members

In what appears to have been a yearly team tradition, a member of Harvard’s 2012 men’s soccer team produced a document that, in sexually explicit terms, individually assessed and evaluated freshmen recruits from the 2012 women’s soccer team based on their perceived physical attractiveness and sexual appeal.
The author and his teammates referred to the nine-page document as a “scouting report,” and the author circulated the document over the group’s email list on July 31, 2012.


In lewd terms, the author of the report individually evaluated each female recruit, assigning them numerical scores and writing paragraph-long assessments of the women. The document also included photographs of each woman, most of which, the author wrote, were culled from Facebook or the Internet.

The author of the “report” often included sexually explicit descriptions of the women. He wrote of one woman that “she looks like the kind of girl who both likes to dominate, and likes to be dominated.”

Each woman was assigned a hypothetical sexual “position” in addition to her position on the soccer field.


Def #2 - relegating women to social roles of fulfilling sexual urges, female identity became based on sexual 'stats' like you would find on a baseball card (hence the document being called a scouting report by the team members) with physical appearance ranked numerically, and females identified by sexual positions

Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principlesb : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : racial prejudice or discrimination
The texts in question include wrestlers regaling each other with descriptions of their fellow students such as “fish pussy,” “ugly socially awkward cunts,” and “nigs.” any further explanation necessary?

These are just a handful of examples culled from many texts/emails/docs, some that go back years. Racism is present, though not as widespread as the sexism. These exchanges are the very definition of sexism.



Although I agree with you on most of what you said, I believe you are missing one point. VML, and his ilk, believe that because there exists a patriarchal society women have no power and since they have no power by definition they cannot be sexist. VML, and his ilk, believe because this is a white racist society that POC have no power and since they have no power they cannot be racist.

In VML's world, women and POC can say and do what ever they want, no matter how offensive, because they have no power and are therefore merely reacting, properly, to a white male racist, sexist society.

You'll notice VML said "priveledged white boys" and still doesn't get its a racist comment. When I asked him, since Obama went to Harvard is he a priveledged black boy? It went over his head and he eventually said no because Obama was black he had no power (.the president of the U.S. Has no power) so he wasn't a priveledged black boy. In VML's world this thought is very confusing. Well, a lot of things are confusing to VML.

The point is that you are correct but you are not seeing the evil juxtaposition of VML's world where women and POC are victims and can do as they wish with impunity and the only proper response for white males when women or POC misbehave is to shut up and accept it because their very existence caused that improper behavior.

Most people don't pay enough attention to the evil little barbs people like VML add to their philosophy. It's something like code words, which they like to pretend white males use. You can see it where he says I'm trying to inch out of the original OP. He told a story, a racist story. But he told it his way and he needs to control the discussion so he can define the rules of the conversation. He can't let in any thought, to the OP, that may show what a vile person he is or what evil ideas he espouses. It's a trick to control all discusses by defining word meanings so that his world view is all that is allowed to be considered.


I can't agree or disagree 100% with anyone on this board. I have learned to pick my battles. And frankly, the two of you seem to be having a pretty "spirited" exchange that I for one thought you two should be left alone to follow through with.

There was a time when if someone were to say to me 'the soccer team at Harvard', then yes, I would have immediately pictured in my head a group of privileged white boys. But we have made gains in this nation, Obama being an example of that. So while in the past, that all-white picture would have initially crossed my mind, it would not now. I am fairly certain that the team is majority white, but that is as far as I would go in saying. I myself have and have had former students at Ivy League schools, both white and minority, some who have played sports, so I have seen firsthand that picture with minorities in it. It is not something that I have to imagine. And I acknowledge that.

At the same time, I know that we have a long way to go. I see the injustice that goes on, and I see it almost daily. I have stories I could tell, but I don't see the need to. I just know that right now a lot of people are scared, more so right now. People that I know and love have already felt the effects of a less tolerant atmosphere. So people are scared of what could happen to them now, and what could happen long term- will some of these gains mentioned above be lost?

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 7:30:43 PM   
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You and I have agreed on a lot, but now I have to disagree with you.

OK, let's discuss it. I'm in.

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If my Mother, sister, aunts, nieces, the woman behind the checkout counter, the librarian, and on, are in the room I know their social role.
So we are all good here, right?


I am lost from this point on...
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A woman walks down the street, I don't know her and likely never will, she's an object. She's the same sort of object to me as is the guy standing next to her. But, what am I mostly probably going to notice about her? If I do meet her somewhere and discover her social role, I'll see her as that and most probably totally forget some fleeting image I may have had before I knew her. The fleeting image did not foster any assignment of social role at all. You are arguing that all men create a rape society and inflict that rape society on helpless women victims. It's just not true, it's bad philosophy no matter what femenazis say. And, I'll bet women are worse in their own way.


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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 7:35:22 PM   
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Mighty white of you . . . .

OMG I can't remember the last time that I heard that expression lol.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 7:52:31 PM   
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it is that sense of superiority we are all raised with.

We are all raised with?

Well thanks for sharing your uniquely peculiar world, but you are not in a position to speak for anyone but yourself.

You mean you escaped the aura of entitlement and superiority that white boys experience? You? Tiz to larf!!!

Actually, I am in a position to make a generalization on this topic. By its very nature it is not a topic to be parsed except at best some remote singular experiences. Otherwise, it is safe to apply this to white males in general.

You are only in a position to speak for yourself. The rest is projection. Have a nice day.
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No, it is not projection. I am presenting thoughts on one component of the historical American zeitgeist.That component, white male privilege, has been a mover in the history of the United States in so many easily illustrated ways. The evidence and understanding of that component is readily available to us through thoughtful scholarly publications, and other secondary publications. Thanks to the internet it is available to us who live narrow parochial lives to investigate, draw conclusions, and present our opinions. It is not a matter of simple projection; it is a matter of honest endeavor. I welcome you to engage the issue in a way it deserves. If you can reply without snark but with honesty we can have a discourse. Speak to the issue and not to my perceived deficiencies, if you are able, and we will be able to exchange real ideas.


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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 7:57:12 PM   
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ah, I needed to have read more carefully, I apologize for that...

social (not sex) roles are things like "workers, students, friend, parent" etc.

a stereotype of a social role based on sex (gender) would be something like: since women are more emotional then men, then women cant be managers. or since women are more gentle, as a parent they cannot succeed at disciplining children.

women are viewed in sexual terms by men period, there is no "stereotyping of social roles" in that. they are independent of each other. what the men did was express sentiments, in this case vulgar ones, of biological attraction, or put another way, a recognition of the women's status as female, not their social roles in life. statuses are not roles.

it might be sexist to say "she cant be tough because she's a woman", but its most definitely not sexist to say "she's got a nice ass and id like to hit that."

no, I don't find "nig" racist either---I don't like it, but quite sincerely, youd have to ask the person who uttered the word what was in his head and heart when he said it.

ps: I just peeked up at what nnanji last wrote, and I think we are close to saying the same thing here.




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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 7:58:06 PM   
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https://beingclassicallyliberal.liberty.me/the-intolerant-illiberal-regressive-left-and-its-consequences/


Very good article, nails it.

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