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CelticPrince -> remembering contracts (12/18/2016 1:09:07 PM)

Going through some old material reference "the path" I came upon a folder for "contracts"

Ever entered into one and for the new folks; have you ever even heard of the concept?

Celtic Prince




DocStrange -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 3:19:14 PM)

Contracts are nothing new. Personally I do not believe in them. I am much more into two people agreeing what is okay and not okay. If I need to have it written down, I am with the wrong person.




CelticPrince -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 3:26:34 PM)

I agree Dr S, but back then I believe that it was a protection device as well as one of understanding.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 3:29:14 PM)

Dr S,

I agree with your point but back then, it was also used as a device for protection against a "change of mind"
CP




tamaka -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 3:30:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

I agree Dr S, but back then I believe that it was a protection device as well as one of understanding.

CP

If you feel you need to protect yourself from a particular person, don't get involved with them.




DocStrange -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 3:34:58 PM)

Some people are very structured. Contracts and having something in writing may work for some people. It can give a strong reminder to what was agreed upon. I am not saying contracts are bad. They can and do work for some people. I am just not one of those people. If I give you my word, I will keep my word. That is how I was raised. And I would expect the same from my partner.




Wayward5oul -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 3:56:58 PM)

I know 2 Master/slave married couples that have contracts. They speak pretty highly of their arrangements. Works well for them, but not everything works well for everyone.




CelticPrince -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 4:19:01 PM)

Dr. S

Well said!

CP




UllrsIshtar -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 5:32:31 PM)

My husband and I have one.

We don't believe in vowing 'till death do us part' (in fact, we only got married for immigration purposes), nor do we believe in passively being with somebody 'until it feels wrong and one of you leaves'.

So instead, we commit each year to spend the next year together.
The expectations we both have of each other, and the commitments we make to each other, what is and isn't permissible in our relationship in terms of poly, and the terms on which we would split (from a financial/logistic perspective) are all defined in our contract.

The month leading up to our renewal is spent on personal introspection, and mutual discussion of the last year, and our desires/goals moving forward. We each take the time to honestly examine "Was it worth it to have spent the last year of my life with this person? What do I want to have change in this relationship going forward? What are my expectations of my partner and how might they have changed? Has my partner lived up to the commitments/responsibilities they have made towards me? How, if at all, might I have fallen short this year on the commitments I've made? Am I happy? Am I satisfied? If not, what has to change going forward? Do I want to spend another year with them?" as well as pinning down how to handle any logistical issues that might need addressing.

If we can agree to terms, we vow to stay together for another year. And we both take that vow serious, and literal. We vow on our honor that, no matter what, we will not break up during that year.
It doesn't matter what might happen, or how our partner might go astray (they might become a drug addict, gamble away our live savings, spiral into a deep depression which makes them not live up to their responsibilities due to fatigue, cheat etc etc) during that year, we've vowed to stand by them, and try to help them to work out the issue, and recover from it.

Doing this provides a different perspective to a whole lot of things. Through tough times, and fights, and one party perhaps making a big hurtful mistake, there's always the fact that we need to find some way to 'work it out' and continue to live with each other for the remainder of the year. Even though big blow ups like, where one of us questions during the fight whether we still want to be in the relationship, that don't happen (4 times in 7 years), the fact that we vowed to stay together for the year changes the tone in those situations, and places deeper emphasis on the reasons we chose to be together in the fist place, instead of the reasons we're currently feeling hurt and angry.

We've both been in relationships where the relationship went bad, and should have ended sooner, but all parties stayed in it longer than they should have, out of a fear or change, or a habitual complacency. We really like how having a year long contract forces us to examine every year why we're together, and whether that's a good thing, and whether it's a good enough thing to make us want to commit to another full year together, and forces us to define and articulate our expectations of each other, and what we bring to the table ourselves, brings us closer together, and has made us to confront, and solve some issues that might have otherwise become a path to silent resentment. In traditional relationships, it's often the case where, when one party isn't fully happy, or expects more from the other one, or one party's expectations of the relationship, or personal needs change as they grow older, that doesn't really get discussed in an effort to avoid fighting, and in the long run leads to silent resentments which builds up until somebody has had enough and leaves. We avoid being in that situation, because every year we need to define to each other and ourselves why exactly we are together.

Not the kind of contract you were thinking of, but there you have it.






tamaka -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 7:47:23 PM)

That's alot of effort.... lol

It's so much easier to just be as pleasing as possible, do as i'm told, and serve well and then have nothing else to think about (regarding the relationship).




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 9:06:15 PM)

quote:

My husband and I have one.

You know, somehow I knew you were going to say that. And I knew it was going to be non-standard. [:)]

Needless to say, the Fellas and I don't have one.

As to what I think of them, well they strike me as sort of silly, but one girl's silly is another girl's reassurance.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 9:09:49 PM)

quote:

That's alot of effort.... lol

Well, most things worth having are. [:)]




Wayward5oul -> RE: remembering contracts (12/18/2016 9:49:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

My husband and I have one.

We don't believe in vowing 'till death do us part' (in fact, we only got married for immigration purposes), nor do we believe in passively being with somebody 'until it feels wrong and one of you leaves'.

So instead, we commit each year to spend the next year together.
The expectations we both have of each other, and the commitments we make to each other, what is and isn't permissible in our relationship in terms of poly, and the terms on which we would split (from a financial/logistic perspective) are all defined in our contract.

The month leading up to our renewal is spent on personal introspection, and mutual discussion of the last year, and our desires/goals moving forward. We each take the time to honestly examine "Was it worth it to have spent the last year of my life with this person? What do I want to have change in this relationship going forward? What are my expectations of my partner and how might they have changed? Has my partner lived up to the commitments/responsibilities they have made towards me? How, if at all, might I have fallen short this year on the commitments I've made? Am I happy? Am I satisfied? If not, what has to change going forward? Do I want to spend another year with them?" as well as pinning down how to handle any logistical issues that might need addressing.

If we can agree to terms, we vow to stay together for another year. And we both take that vow serious, and literal. We vow on our honor that, no matter what, we will not break up during that year.
It doesn't matter what might happen, or how our partner might go astray (they might become a drug addict, gamble away our live savings, spiral into a deep depression which makes them not live up to their responsibilities due to fatigue, cheat etc etc) during that year, we've vowed to stand by them, and try to help them to work out the issue, and recover from it.

Doing this provides a different perspective to a whole lot of things. Through tough times, and fights, and one party perhaps making a big hurtful mistake, there's always the fact that we need to find some way to 'work it out' and continue to live with each other for the remainder of the year. Even though big blow ups like, where one of us questions during the fight whether we still want to be in the relationship, that don't happen (4 times in 7 years), the fact that we vowed to stay together for the year changes the tone in those situations, and places deeper emphasis on the reasons we chose to be together in the fist place, instead of the reasons we're currently feeling hurt and angry.

We've both been in relationships where the relationship went bad, and should have ended sooner, but all parties stayed in it longer than they should have, out of a fear or change, or a habitual complacency. We really like how having a year long contract forces us to examine every year why we're together, and whether that's a good thing, and whether it's a good enough thing to make us want to commit to another full year together, and forces us to define and articulate our expectations of each other, and what we bring to the table ourselves, brings us closer together, and has made us to confront, and solve some issues that might have otherwise become a path to silent resentment. In traditional relationships, it's often the case where, when one party isn't fully happy, or expects more from the other one, or one party's expectations of the relationship, or personal needs change as they grow older, that doesn't really get discussed in an effort to avoid fighting, and in the long run leads to silent resentments which builds up until somebody has had enough and leaves. We avoid being in that situation, because every year we need to define to each other and ourselves why exactly we are together.

Not the kind of contract you were thinking of, but there you have it.




That makes an awful lot of sense to me. I have always thought that if I ever got married again, that there should be some sort of time frame where where some reflection like this should be mandatory for the marriage to continue. A friend of mine thinks that marriages should subject to renewal every five years.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: remembering contracts (12/19/2016 1:04:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

My husband and I have one.

You know, somehow I knew you were going to say that. And I knew it was going to be non-standard. [:)]



Well now I'm curious as to why you would expect me to have one. And would expect it to be non-standard.

Are you saying I'm contrary or that I'm predictable? [;)]

Truthfully, our contract's origin found itself in on John Norman's premise in the Gor series of Free Companionships, as partnerships between free people, to be renewed on an annual basis. Though I know of no other Gorean who actually practices Free Companionships they seriously consider to be in need of renewal (instead of just complacently staying together as usual couples do, and claiming it's passively been renewed). And based on what little Norman describes about the details of a Gorean FC, ours is much more detailed, and encompasses far more matters of life than a Gorean would consider subject to a typical FC.





ThatDizzyChick -> RE: remembering contracts (12/19/2016 6:13:01 AM)

quote:

Well now I'm curious as to why you would expect me to have one.

Because you are, or at lest appear to be on here, the sort of person who likes to have things nailed down and spelled out. You do not present as somebody who enjoys chaos in her personal life. You, unlike me, do not seem to be the sort of person who just makes it up as she goes along, but rather one who thinks through things carefully and somewhat dispassionately.

quote:

And would expect it to be non-standard.

Because, again based on how you present yourself here, you do very little in a "standard" way. You seem to be far too smart a person to just follow the crowd, instead you come across as the sort of person who will take a common idea and modify and adapt it to fit both your situation and your temperament.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: remembering contracts (12/19/2016 6:14:48 AM)

And yeah, I am a rather big fan




OsideGirl -> RE: remembering contracts (12/19/2016 9:15:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DocStrange

Some people are very structured. Contracts and having something in writing may work for some people. It can give a strong reminder to what was agreed upon. I am not saying contracts are bad. They can and do work for some people. I am just not one of those people. If I give you my word, I will keep my word. That is how I was raised. And I would expect the same from my partner.


For some people, it's not about "protection". It provides a clear and concise set of expectations for BOTH parties and is a good place to start negotiations.




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: remembering contracts (12/19/2016 9:24:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

That's alot of effort.... lol

It's so much easier to just be as pleasing as possible, do as i'm told, and serve well and then have nothing else to think about (regarding the relationship).


That sounds like the ostrich approach. Not very realistic.




CelticPrince -> RE: remembering contracts (12/19/2016 1:55:29 PM)

UiirsIstar,

Well your right in so far as it not being within what might be considered as normal.....err routine, but it works well
for you and you have that all important comfort level. I surmise that it keeps both of you on your toes.

Thanks for the well presented input.

CP




tamaka -> RE: remembering contracts (12/19/2016 2:50:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

That's alot of effort.... lol

It's so much easier to just be as pleasing as possible, do as i'm told, and serve well and then have nothing else to think about (regarding the relationship).


That sounds like the ostrich approach. Not very realistic.


You think so? It works well for us. Neither one of us has our head down a hole... my head is focused on pleasing Him and making Him proud every single day. His focus is on Mastering me and keeping me exactly where He wants me. Together we seem to provide each other exactly what we need. No more... no less... just right.




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