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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 5:26:27 PM

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I hope this shakes some of the ignorance out of you.

The great man shortage hits Australian classrooms

A century ago, men dominated teaching but a decline in respect for teachers and a fall in relative pay rates has seen fewer enter the profession. Meet three men who love the classroom.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/male-teachers-rare-breed-but-still-sought-after-20151030-gkmpp0.html

I can't breathe

Your quote itself links a decline in status and pay with men choosing not enter the profession, and being replaced by women who are therefore prepared to work for less status and pay. Men are still in high demand. Yet, this is somehow evidence of oppression by the Matriarchy? Is there anyone other than rm who does not think that he has just shot his own argument in the foot here?

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 6:04:12 PM

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Your quote itself links a decline in status and pay with men choosing not enter the profession, and being replaced by women who are therefore prepared to work for less status and pay. Men are still in high demand. Yet, this is somehow evidence of oppression by the Matriarchy? Is there anyone other than rm who does not think that he has just shot his own argument in the foot here?

What you don't realise, little man, I never ever claimed that it was the fault of matriarchy/women for why there are less men in these fields. I just simply implied why not make the same lefty stance when it comes to fields where there are less men than women? I was pointing out the hypocrisy.

Here is what I'm talking about. Think carefully about my wording instead of making a fool of yourself.

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It's not the fault of men that more women won't go in these professions. If it is, well that mean's it's the fault of women why more males are not school teachers or child careers.

You can't have it both ways.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 6:11:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

I hope this shakes some of the ignorance out of you.

The great man shortage hits Australian classrooms

A century ago, men dominated teaching but a decline in respect for teachers and a fall in relative pay rates has seen fewer enter the profession. Meet three men who love the classroom.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/male-teachers-rare-breed-but-still-sought-after-20151030-gkmpp0.html

I can't breathe

Your quote itself links a decline in status and pay with men choosing not enter the profession, and being replaced by women who are therefore prepared to work for less status and pay. Men are still in high demand. Yet, this is somehow evidence of oppression by the Matriarchy? Is there anyone other than rm who does not think that he has just shot his own argument in the foot here?

He shoots down his own arguments every time he opens his mouth. But his worldview is so warped that he can't see it. I have honestly never met anyone with as distorted perception of gender dynamics. Even when it is a valid topic, he takes it and turns it into a "Theatre of the Absurd" production but treats it like that's the mainstream interpretation. The topic loses credibility just by association with him to the point that even rational thinkers won't argue it on his threads. When it isn't a valid topic but some shit he has let some extremist sight get him riled up about, well those go so far into 'Theatre of the Whatthefuckeryitis' that it is beyond explanation, rational or otherwise.

I have gotten into the habit of putting people whose whatthefuckeryitis exceeds any other contribution I perceive of theirs to the board, but I won't do that with him. Simply because it is unfathomable to me that people with this mindset actually live among us, that I need to see his posts as a reminder of the reality of that fact.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 6:21:36 PM

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Wayward5oul

All that blather you just went on with is based on a misconception from your own stupidity.

No skin off of my arse.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 6:28:23 PM

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RM ... women don't do those jobs because we don't have the strength to do those jobs. You know that so why are you even discussing it?

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 6:35:33 PM

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RM ... women don't do those jobs because we don't have the strength to do those jobs. You know that so why are you even discussing it?

Because in his mind, the fact that they did it is all that counts, and we should be forever grateful for it. To hell with any of the things that women did to facilitate it or aid in men's lives so that they could do that. All that matters is that men did it, so if women are not forever grateful to men past present and future, then we are ungrateful and feminazis.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 6:36:37 PM

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Exactly, I don't have a problem with the fact that women don't have the strength.

The point of my thread is that men hardly get appreciated for that. When it comes to the topic about men, it's dominated by how bad we are to women. Feminism doesn't give a rats about what good men have done. That's why we have them criticising international men's day. Some of them say "it's men's day every day" meaning that there shouldn't be any appreciation of what good men have done.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 6:49:30 PM

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I don't know where you're hearing all this stuff. Feminism is not like that here in the states. Maybe it's just some online thing.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 7:06:37 PM

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I don't know where you're hearing all this stuff. Feminism is not like that here in the states. Maybe it's just some online thing.

It's not like that anywhere in the civilised world - only in his pea-brained mind.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 7:08:37 PM

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I can see how it wouldn't be that hard for you to believe you're "won" a lot of the arguments on here. The fact is that your on a BDSM site arguing about feminism. The majority of people (but certainly not all) who even give you the time of day are likely just as uneducated as you are. You go on a site like this to start an argument because you know any expert or scholar on the subject would shut you down and expose you for the blabbering moron you are. If you simply argue on here just be the "winner" why don't you go to a preschool and argue with some of the kids. You don't prove anything to anybody by discussions like this. You're just arguing with people who are easily swayed by emotion and rhetoric. Try taking this debate to an actual place for academic debate like a college campus and see how fast you run out of things to say. You'll likely be tempted to respond with some sort of witty comeback because you see this as a competition but I can assure I'm not interested in engaging you in this argument. I myself don't claim to be an expert of feminist philosophy so I won't argue with you as if I am like you would. Do you see how this does not achieve anything? There is no reason to argue about something like this on a forum like collarchat because you're just arguing with people who have no idea and only respond because you rub them the wrong way. It would do nothing for feminism or men if you successfully convinced every single person on this site. I'm surprised you don't start other endless debates on here since you seem to think this is such a force for change. How about creation v evolution. Pro life v pro choice. Global warming or myth. These all seem like great debates that could definitely be definitively settled on a bdsm forum. Like I said don't reply I'm not looking to go back and forth with you. I'm just saying don't feel like a winner because you've convinced people unsuitable to be arguing with you, in a forum that is unsuitable for such debate.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 7:09:17 PM

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tamaka................there is only one place in Australia that feminism IS like that and norespectmen has cornered the market on that in the housebrick he calls his brain

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 7:27:29 PM

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tamaka................there is only one place in Australia that feminism IS like that and norespectmen has cornered the market on that in the housebrick he calls his brain

Ok... that's good to know. I was starting to wonder what might be going on elsewhere.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 7:29:22 PM

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 8:14:46 PM

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We have an electricians business right across the road from us. The guy employs about a dozen staff. I would say almost a third of them ( maybe more) are female and they are allocated jobs as they come off the board in the morning, not by sex, age or looks. All are treated the same and when we had our old house re-wired, the ones sent to do it all treated each other the same, right down to the cursing that was done at certain times. If that's feminism, then I'm all for it.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/4/2017 9:45:11 PM

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We have an electricians business right across the road from us. The guy employs about a dozen staff. I would say almost a third of them ( maybe more) are female and they are allocated jobs as they come off the board in the morning, not by sex, age or looks. All are treated the same and when we had our old house re-wired, the ones sent to do it all treated each other the same, right down to the cursing that was done at certain times. If that's feminism, then I'm all for it.

I'm an electrician by trade. Though I've never worked as one in the US, and haven't taken licensing exams here.
I'm currently remodeling a fixer-up we bought a few years ago my myself. New kitchen, 3 new bathroom, new electrical, new HVAC, you name it.

My husband helps by paying for it, though I have to admit I've had him help me lift some stuff from time to time (think 10' sheets of drywall, which, while I can install them by myself, are a pain in the ass to try to get down a flight of stairs without damaging them by yourself).
When I say by myself, I mean by myself... not a single trades person beside the county inspector has been here since we bought the place.

Anyways... because of the remodel I come in contact with other trades people quite a bit while buying supplies. When contractors in a relevant field hear I'm an electrician, I often get asked if I want a job on the spot. And not just because I'm a woman, but because there's a chronic shortage of them around here. They need qualified electricians period, and they don't give a rats ass what gender they are.
It's a field that for some reason is extremely female friendly, and got quite a bit of women working in it. Much more so than most other trades.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/5/2017 12:35:29 AM

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I do not accuse you of reading the headline (of this thread, mind you). I accuse you you wrote it but did not think a bit about what you wrote.

The name of the piece of that writing was "Every Brick". I used that with other things added.

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I accuse you of manipulating the quotes of other posters.
For the sake of your "arguments."
Which is exceptionally stupid as every reader can compare with original posts.

I never manipulated anything you raving loon. I simply quoted what was in the link in reflection to your claim about it excluding women. Anyone who read the link and then read what I quoted can catch on to this within a second. Only a half wit like your self doesn't understand.

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I "accuse" you (well, I noticed) that you did not read the link about German Trümmerfrauen. You said you looked closely - but then you claimed that only a small minority of women (which was, in fact, all German women, in a post war situation when most men were POWs) were involved - which is so obvious bullshit that you proved by that that you either did not read it anyway, or completely perverted what was said there (which is not kinky, even on a kink forum).
For the sake of your "arguments".

Oh, I am so very sorry that I missed the part that it was "all". So what exactly did they do? Did they do the hardest tasks possible in the sewers? Did they continue doing the hardest tasks possible when it comes to building infrastructure? Did they do the hardest tasks possible when working in the mines?

Yes your headline ot this thread, for everyone to read, excludes women.
Yes you did manipulate quotes, for everyone to see.

What did women in Germany, Austria, and a few other countries do after '45? Well, again, just reading what that article describes would have answered many of your questions, especially in how they handled bricks (your example of male merits and achievements).

Yes they rebuilt infrastructure, houses, roads, factories. Many of those still existing.
Yes they shovelled in sewers, even in coal mines.

One does not necessarily need a penis to be able to use a shovel.

Besides that they cared for and fed children and a few more things.

It is obviously beyond your capacity of imagination, but that's another topic.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/5/2017 12:47:49 AM

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I hope this shakes some of the ignorance out of you.

The great man shortage hits Australian classrooms

A century ago, men dominated teaching but a decline in respect for teachers and a fall in relative pay rates has seen fewer enter the profession. Meet three men who love the classroom.

You are contradicting yourself. I answered your post stating that there are less men in teaching and child care.

Women took over teaching because, as you yourself state: "...but a decline in respect for teachers and a fall in relative pay rates has seen fewer enter the profession." How is feminism responsible for that?

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/5/2017 2:13:58 AM

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I don't know where you're hearing all this stuff. Feminism is not like that here in the states. Maybe it's just some online thing.

It's because RM never responds to actual feminists-- he only responds to the MRM/PUA/right-wing response to feminists.
This is why he's so angry all the time.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/5/2017 4:04:42 AM

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Yes your headline ot this thread, for everyone to read, excludes women.

I'm terribly sorry, you're too unintelligent to understand that I took the title of the thread from the original poster and used it in my heading in here that included other wording.

The context of the thread very very very clearly points out that women aren't excluded. Due to your stupidity, you just can't see it.

I don't know what I can do to help any further. Maybe ask a friend or someone to read it for you and translate? I can't seem to help make you escape your own stupidity.

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Yes you did manipulate quotes, for everyone to see.

How can I manipulate anything that is so clear to anyone who is reading?....well except you.

If I used manipulation, it has to come with tricks or something, right? Can you point all of this out and tell us all?

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What did women in Germany, Austria, and a few other countries do after '45? Well, again, just reading what that article describes would have answered many of your questions, especially in how they handled bricks (your example of male merits and achievements).

Yes they rebuilt infrastructure, houses, roads, factories. Many of those still existing.
Yes they shovelled in sewers, even in coal mines.

One does not necessarily need a penis to be able to use a shovel.

Besides that they cared for and fed children and a few more things.

It is obviously beyond your capacity of imagination, but that's another topic.

No denial to any of that.

But! As you keep refusing to answer...

So what exactly did they do? Did they do the hardest tasks possible in the sewers? Did they continue doing the hardest tasks possible when it comes to building infrastructure? Did they do the hardest tasks possible when working in the mines?

Instead of telling 1 percent of the story, let's tell the full story?

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You are contradicting yourself. I answered your post stating that there are less men in teaching and child care.

Women took over teaching because, as you yourself state: "...but a decline in respect for teachers and a fall in relative pay rates has seen fewer enter the profession." How is feminism responsible for
that?

Where did I ever blame feminism? Until you point that out, then we can take this discussion further.

Why is it that people in here continually keep creating an argument and then claim that I own it?

Why not actually take on the arguments I make instead of creating one your own and then claim it's mine?

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It's because RM never responds to actual feminists-- he only responds to the MRM/PUA/right-wing response to feminists.
This is why he's so angry all the time.

No, it's because you're too stupid to understand facts and logical reasoning. You prefer to believe that white men are the devil.

freedomdwarf1

We all know women do these things, I never denied they do. You are too unintelligent to understand my point. I can't fix your stupidity, sorry.

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RE: "Every Brick in every building": a remind... - 1/5/2017 5:03:26 AM

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Yes your headline ot this thread, for everyone to read, excludes women.

I'm terribly sorry, you're too unintelligent to understand that ...

when you took some original idiocy to start your own you publicly presented yourself as just the same sort of idiot. Without thinking.

As to your repeated other questions, while refusing to read information given to you several times, but you obviously still refusing to open a link...

JM&the12A ... READ IT YOURSELF

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