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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 5:49:12 PM   
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The point keeps sailing over your heads. Sigh.

1) GOP base is dying out.
2) Dem base is growing.

For better or worse. And both will continue.

Whether 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024, whenever, it's going to bite the GOP in the long run far more than the Dems, and it's a fate they could have avoided. Instead, that option when they are in the minority will be forever gone.

All you're doing is confirming my point that you're all about short term thinking, clueless about long-term strategy.

Reminds me of the "permanent Republican majority" rhetoric in the Bush years...until the 2006 election brought reality home again.

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 6:12:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The point keeps sailing over your heads. Sigh.

1) GOP base is dying out.
2) Dem base is growing.

For better or worse. And both will continue.

Whether 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024, whenever, it's going to bite the GOP in the long run far more than the Dems, and it's a fate they could have avoided. Instead, that option when they are in the minority will be forever gone.

All you're doing is confirming my point that you're all about short term thinking, clueless about long-term strategy.

Reminds me of the "permanent Republican majority" rhetoric in the Bush years...until the 2006 election brought reality home again.

They could have avoided this how? By ignoring the election and turning control over to the Dems?
Hey Music says that the Dems are going to win in the end so lets just surrender and maybe they will throw us an occasional scrap.

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 6:29:57 PM   
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Don't be an idiot.

They needed 8 votes. Eight! There's no candidate that could have gotten 8 votes, even with deals?

They could have held a hearing on Obama's pick, who was pretty mainstream, and just voted him down, next.

Nope. They had to force it through. But when you do that, you have to understand the new rules apply all the way around.

And they just bit their own future asses.

THAT'S the damn point. Not what I think they should do. Just an appreciation for what they actually did do...and what it means.

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 6:34:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't be an idiot.

They needed 8 votes. Eight! There's no candidate that could have gotten 8 votes, even with deals?

They could have held a hearing on Obama's pick, who was pretty mainstream, and just voted him down, next.

Nope. They had to force it through. But when you do that, you have to understand the new rules apply all the way around.

And they just bit their own future asses.

THAT'S the damn point. Not what I think they should do. Just an appreciation for what they actually did do...and what it means.



In means the end of the world



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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 6:36:51 PM   
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No, it doesn't mean the end of the world. What the hell are you talking about?

It means decisions have consequences, especially for a party going to again be in the minority.

Think about it for a while. Find a quiet space. Breathe deeply. Let your thoughts calm.

Because it means McConnell didn't think this through. As usual.


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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 6:39:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't be an idiot.

They needed 8 votes. Eight! There's no candidate that could have gotten 8 votes, even with deals?

They could have held a hearing on Obama's pick, who was pretty mainstream, and just voted him down, next.

Nope. They had to force it through. But when you do that, you have to understand the new rules apply all the way around.

And they just bit their own future asses.

THAT'S the damn point. Not what I think they should do. Just an appreciation for what they actually did do...and what it means.


Your real gripe is that the Republicans are going by the same standard as the Dems

Bama is right. You are pissed off that the winners are acting like winners, and using the exact same tactics the Dems would be using were the situation reversed


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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 6:41:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No, it doesn't mean the end of the world. What the hell are you talking about?

It means decisions have consequences, especially for a party going to again be in the minority.

Think about it for a while. Find a quiet space. Breathe deeply. Let your thoughts calm.

Because it means McConnell didn't think this through. As usual.




You are the one gone hysterical

If the Dims can ever find their way out of wandering in voter exile, they will be far nastier than the Republicans could ever dream of just like they've done every time before

They're already trying to take us to civil war now. Imagine if they had real power



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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 6:42:14 PM   
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Naw, I was pissed off at McConnell's bullshit last year. There was no doubt this crap was coming.

But yet again, the point goes sailing over your head.

Think. Because you're gonna see a bunch of the "exact same tactics" for years to come when the GOP wishes they had a tactic still.


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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 6:55:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Naw, I was pissed off at McConnell's bullshit last year. There was no doubt this crap was coming.

But yet again, the point goes sailing over your head.

Think. Because you're gonna see a bunch of the "exact same tactics" for years to come when the GOP wishes they had a tactic still.




Save your breath, if the Dims can go any lower that's already in the works. Was before Trump even announced. They are fascists that way, have been for a long time.

We simply recognize that fact and act accordingly, and your own personal blindness to the reality matters not



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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 7:40:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No, it doesn't mean the end of the world. What the hell are you talking about?

It means decisions have consequences, especially for a party going to again be in the minority.

Think about it for a while. Find a quiet space. Breathe deeply. Let your thoughts calm.

Because it means McConnell didn't think this through. As usual.



You never did tell us what a well thought out plan this was when Reid did it.

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 7:48:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't be an idiot.

They needed 8 votes. Eight! There's no candidate that could have gotten 8 votes, even with deals?

They could have held a hearing on Obama's pick, who was pretty mainstream, and just voted him down, next.

Nope. They had to force it through. But when you do that, you have to understand the new rules apply all the way around.

And they just bit their own future asses.

THAT'S the damn point. Not what I think they should do. Just an appreciation for what they actually did do...and what it means.


Your real gripe is that the Republicans are going by the same standard as the Dems

Bama is right. You are pissed off that the winners are acting like winners, and using the exact same tactics the Dems would be using were the situation reversed


Correction, did act when the reverse was true.
Even not refusing to grant Obama a Supreme Court seat was their idea first.
After all even Biden said that they shouldn't grant a SCOTUS seat in the last year of his term,
(of course that was for a Republican {and it was his first term}.

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/6/2017 8:20:42 PM   
BoscoX


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't be an idiot.

They needed 8 votes. Eight! There's no candidate that could have gotten 8 votes, even with deals?

They could have held a hearing on Obama's pick, who was pretty mainstream, and just voted him down, next.

Nope. They had to force it through. But when you do that, you have to understand the new rules apply all the way around.

And they just bit their own future asses.

THAT'S the damn point. Not what I think they should do. Just an appreciation for what they actually did do...and what it means.


Your real gripe is that the Republicans are going by the same standard as the Dems

Bama is right. You are pissed off that the winners are acting like winners, and using the exact same tactics the Dems would be using were the situation reversed


Correction, did act when the reverse was true.
Even not refusing to grant Obama a Supreme Court seat was their idea first.
After all even Biden said that they shouldn't grant a SCOTUS seat in the last year of his term,
(of course that was for a Republican {and it was his first term}.


True. The Republicans are merely following the Democrats' own precedents



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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/7/2017 4:54:02 AM   
Musicmystery


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't be an idiot.

They needed 8 votes. Eight! There's no candidate that could have gotten 8 votes, even with deals?

They could have held a hearing on Obama's pick, who was pretty mainstream, and just voted him down, next.

Nope. They had to force it through. But when you do that, you have to understand the new rules apply all the way around.

And they just bit their own future asses.

THAT'S the damn point. Not what I think they should do. Just an appreciation for what they actually did do...and what it means.


Your real gripe is that the Republicans are going by the same standard as the Dems

Bama is right. You are pissed off that the winners are acting like winners, and using the exact same tactics the Dems would be using were the situation reversed


Correction, did act when the reverse was true.
Even not refusing to grant Obama a Supreme Court seat was their idea first.
After all even Biden said that they shouldn't grant a SCOTUS seat in the last year of his term,
(of course that was for a Republican {and it was his first term}.

You only see what you want to see.

First, I have, on these forums, acknowledged the idiocy of Schumer, Biden, and the role Reid played. I'm not the partisan hack you are. (I didn't vote for any Democrats or Republicans in the election)

Second, "Mom! They did it too!" is as dumb a defense now as it was when you were 4.

Third, I'm not even arguing the morality or cause and effect to this moment. Breath, stop fighting wars that no one is fighting with you, and read.

I'm pointing out that in this action, McConnell loses this tool the next time they are in the minority. And, given overwhelming demographic evidence, that's going to be soon and for the foreseeable future. Hence, this is very short-term thinking, when McConnell could have worked out something he likes that Schumer would have tolerated--or at least 8 Senators--and keep all his future options.

And Finally, actually refusing to hold hearings for a year was a bullshit move, as was saying he'd continue to refuse if Clinton won.

Is that the new normal? If your party doesn't control both the WH and the Senate, no Justice can get a hearing, let alone a vote?

You really think that's a good idea?

Because this gives future Dems (not the most trustworthy folks either) cart Blanche to install whomever they want.

Then come back and tell me this was an awesome idea, and had to be done.

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/7/2017 6:45:33 AM   
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What's really sad is the way that the Send are trying to find ANY way they can to derail Hirsch, going so far as to say that not citing secondary sources...merely confirmations of his primary sources...as plagiarism.

https://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2017/04/06/sad-denver-post-bites-on-last-minute-smear-campaign-against-gorsuch/

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/7/2017 7:04:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't be an idiot.

They needed 8 votes. Eight! There's no candidate that could have gotten 8 votes, even with deals?

They could have held a hearing on Obama's pick, who was pretty mainstream, and just voted him down, next.

Nope. They had to force it through. But when you do that, you have to understand the new rules apply all the way around.

And they just bit their own future asses.

THAT'S the damn point. Not what I think they should do. Just an appreciation for what they actually did do...and what it means.


Your real gripe is that the Republicans are going by the same standard as the Dems

Bama is right. You are pissed off that the winners are acting like winners, and using the exact same tactics the Dems would be using were the situation reversed


Correction, did act when the reverse was true.
Even not refusing to grant Obama a Supreme Court seat was their idea first.
After all even Biden said that they shouldn't grant a SCOTUS seat in the last year of his term,
(of course that was for a Republican {and it was his first term}.

You only see what you want to see.

First, I have, on these forums, acknowledged the idiocy of Schumer, Biden, and the role Reid played. I'm not the partisan hack you are. (I didn't vote for any Democrats or Republicans in the election)

Second, "Mom! They did it too!" is as dumb a defense now as it was when you were 4.

Third, I'm not even arguing the morality or cause and effect to this moment. Breath, stop fighting wars that no one is fighting with you, and read.

I'm pointing out that in this action, McConnell loses this tool the next time they are in the minority. And, given overwhelming demographic evidence, that's going to be soon and for the foreseeable future. Hence, this is very short-term thinking, when McConnell could have worked out something he likes that Schumer would have tolerated--or at least 8 Senators--and keep all his future options.

And Finally, actually refusing to hold hearings for a year was a bullshit move, as was saying he'd continue to refuse if Clinton won.

Is that the new normal? If your party doesn't control both the WH and the Senate, no Justice can get a hearing, let alone a vote?

You really think that's a good idea?

Because this gives future Dems (not the most trustworthy folks either) cart Blanche to install whomever they want.

Then come back and tell me this was an awesome idea, and had to be done.


You are a moron. The only alternative is to let the "liberals" have everything their way, and that is not an option. They leave no good alternatives. To compromise is to give in because they, you, demand everything - once we compromise, you, they, demand we compromise some more. And that pattern repeated until "liberals" have it all

So fuck you

You, they, want civil war, look at the riots. "Liberals" are literally assaulting people in the streets for attending opposition speeches, going to opposition political rallies. "Liberals" are working to undermine and overthrow our duly elected government. "Liberals" respect no authority, understand only force, and overwhelming power. Giving an inch to "liberals" is a mistake every time

And it is the Democrat party driving us toward civil war, and demanding we keep compromising until we are the third world hell hole of Bernie Sander's wet dreams

Fuck you

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/7/2017 7:21:27 AM   
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so as a moron you advocate letting nutsuckers who are known for their profound ineptitude and factlessness run retardedly thru our country, fucking it up?

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/7/2017 7:24:08 AM   
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so as a moron you advocate letting nutsuckers who are known for their profound ineptitude and factlessness run retardedly thru our country, fucking it up?


Time to take your Alzheimer's meds, gramps, and then go change your Depends - you stink.

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/7/2017 7:26:40 AM   
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You reek of stale putinjizz and long past their due date Il douchovitch dingleberrys old retarded queen.

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/7/2017 7:35:43 AM   
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I'm not on your lawn

You don't have a lawn

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RE: Republicans jackals go 'nuclear' - 4/7/2017 7:39:14 AM   
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you finally broke your last headpipe, syphilis crippled brainstem.

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