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War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/13/2017 5:16:34 AM   
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I just watched this today. And I never liked any of the old Planet of the Apes. It was boring and uninteresting and I thought the whole story line was lame. Maybe different generation, could not relate.

But the modern trilogy is what got me interested in it.

Great Graphics, just 3 perfect movies, and everything made sense.

I think what made most sense was how realistic it is.

I was actually shock recently to find out that, it is still legitimate in this world to use Chimps for testing. I thought just mice usually.

Just the thought of Chimps being used for testing just sounds terrible, and because I know someone who works in this thing, and is responsible for procurement of animals for testing. It's even colder how they procure and get rid of these animals.

The premise of this film is a scientist or doctor was developing a cure for Alzheimer, shows great results in Monkeys, all kinds of Monkeys. That's how the Monkeys got smarter. So he thought it would be great for humans. Unfortunately, on humans, they killed them or make them dumber.

Seriously not surprise if one day, we gotta deal with some kind of real life of this type of incident! All these animal testing we keep doing!

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/13/2017 6:06:51 AM   
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Nothing beats the original one I should bullwhip you on the spot for saying otherwise.

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/13/2017 7:37:26 AM   
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I just watched this today. And I never liked any of the old Planet of the Apes. It was boring and uninteresting and I thought the whole story line was lame. Maybe different generation, could not relate.

But the modern trilogy is what got me interested in it.

Great Graphics, just 3 perfect movies, and everything made sense.

I think what made most sense was how realistic it is.

I was actually shock recently to find out that, it is still legitimate in this world to use Chimps for testing. I thought just mice usually.

Just the thought of Chimps being used for testing just sounds terrible, and because I know someone who works in this thing, and is responsible for procurement of animals for testing. It's even colder how they procure and get rid of these animals.

The premise of this film is a scientist or doctor was developing a cure for Alzheimer, shows great results in Monkeys, all kinds of Monkeys. That's how the Monkeys got smarter. So he thought it would be great for humans. Unfortunately, on humans, they killed them or make them dumber.

Seriously not surprise if one day, we gotta deal with some kind of real life of this type of incident! All these animal testing we keep doing!



Chimps are nasty little bastards: if they have to do animal testing on primates, the chimpanzees get my vote. (The set up in the original POTA films with the chimps as the nice apes and the gorillas as unpleasant thugs is complete backasswards.)

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/13/2017 7:05:31 PM   
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Greta, try reading the book (yes it was a book even before Charlton Heston did the movie) then look at the original, with the exception of the ending....

Anyway, considering your blatently dumber than rocks opinions on many subjects, your critique of a sci fi classic is equal in value as red clay dirt in Georgia.



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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/13/2017 10:56:25 PM   
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Nothing beats the original one I should bullwhip you on the spot for saying otherwise.

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I tried watching the original one and then the Tim Burton one which was a remake of the original anyway. Both movies, I fell asleep before it got anywhere. Like within 10 minutes! It was sooo boring!

And the storyline was unrealistic. Something about end of the world by nuclear blast or something, but somehow apes survived and got smarter?

Come on!

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/13/2017 10:58:03 PM   
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Ive seen the very first one and the very first reboot

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/13/2017 11:00:37 PM   
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Greta, try reading the book (yes it was a book even before Charlton Heston did the movie) then look at the original, with the exception of the ending....

Anyway, considering your blatently dumber than rocks opinions on many subjects, your critique of a sci fi classic is equal in value as red clay dirt in Georgia.


I am unable to read GOT or Harry Potter books. I doubt I will make it through the Planet of the Apes book.

I think what I like about the current one is that it's no longer "sci-fi".

It's just a logical and realistic scenario of how apes could overtake the world.

What was probably not realistic was how Apes could have won a physical war with our advance military weapons, but with the virus causing them to go mentally retardation, and at the same time making apes more intelligent, that would definitely help the apes win. It all made better sense than the old story!

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/14/2017 4:58:27 AM   
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Greta, try reading the book (yes it was a book even before Charlton Heston did the movie) then look at the original, with the exception of the ending....

Anyway, considering your blatently dumber than rocks opinions on many subjects, your critique of a sci fi classic is equal in value as red clay dirt in Georgia.



I thought the Tim Burton (which I've made a point of not watching) does follow Boulez' novel a bit more closely than the proper films did?

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/14/2017 1:18:41 PM   
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It's just a logical and realistic scenario of how apes could overtake the world.





Really? WTF have you been smoking? shooting into your veins or popping?

Or did you just get dropped on your head a few thousand times as a child?

Shock! ‘Rise of the Planet of the Apes’ is scientifically implausible



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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/15/2017 1:34:15 AM   
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Shock! ‘Rise of the Planet of the Apes’ is scientifically implausible


Through your own link, a commentator already countered the argument of the author of the article:

I agree that the scientist’s ignorance of their test subject being pregnant was either highly improbable or a sign of poor professionalism, however, I am afraid you are missing some key points in your argument of evolution. A treatment applied during the lifetime of an organism can not be passed down to its offspring regardless if its progeny was conceived before or after said treatment. What you seem to not recognize is that it is entirely possible that Caesar’s mother could have been pregnant when she received treatment, thus, giving it to Caesar secondhand. Caesar’s brain being undeveloped, was allowed to grow exponentially (as Franco explains).

Secondly what is realistic is developing a cure for Alzheimer that see increase of brain intelligence on monkeys. But decreases the intelligence in humans. Totally possible. And this virus is spread airborne. It's been killing humans but not having an affect on apes except enhancing their intelligence. Again totally possible. Nothing harder to contain than airborne viruses.

And the author you quoted himself also said: although, admittedly, it is not as bad as the creation myth written into the original 1968-1973 pentalogy, which involved super-apes from the future travelling back in time in order to spawn their own species. Aaargh!

So you are basically giving a link to a person who agrees with me that the old version is ridiculous. Maybe you will respect his opinion more since you respect him as a scientific expert.

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/15/2017 4:41:53 AM   
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It's just a logical and realistic scenario of how apes could overtake the world.





Really? WTF have you been smoking? shooting into your veins or popping?

Or did you just get dropped on your head a few thousand times as a child?

Shock! ‘Rise of the Planet of the Apes’ is scientifically implausible



I'd imagine she means the incredibly contrived (but still rather clever) argument about the logistics of how a few million great apes being able to overthrow six billion odd people. That was the thing I really liked in that film, as it'd had taken a nuclear war to let the apes take over in the original series. They'd actually thought about it and come up with a solution to the problem, rather than just ignoring it.

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/15/2017 10:29:41 AM   
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Shock! ‘Rise of the Planet of the Apes’ is scientifically implausible


Through your own link, a commentator already countered the argument of the author of the article:

I agree that the scientist’s ignorance of their test subject being pregnant was either highly improbable or a sign of poor professionalism, however, I am afraid you are missing some key points in your argument of evolution. A treatment applied during the lifetime of an organism can not be passed down to its offspring regardless if its progeny was conceived before or after said treatment. What you seem to not recognize is that it is entirely possible that Caesar’s mother could have been pregnant when she received treatment, thus, giving it to Caesar secondhand. Caesar’s brain being undeveloped, was allowed to grow exponentially (as Franco explains).

Secondly what is realistic is developing a cure for Alzheimer that see increase of brain intelligence on monkeys. But decreases the intelligence in humans. Totally possible. And this virus is spread airborne. It's been killing humans but not having an affect on apes except enhancing their intelligence. Again totally possible. Nothing harder to contain than airborne viruses.

And the author you quoted himself also said: although, admittedly, it is not as bad as the creation myth written into the original 1968-1973 pentalogy, which involved super-apes from the future travelling back in time in order to spawn their own species. Aaargh!

So you are basically giving a link to a person who agrees with me that the old version is ridiculous. Maybe you will respect his opinion more since you respect him as a scientific expert.



If you had read the article or understood the article, the author blows the premise of the movie out of the water.

First, he makes it clear that the result would not be over night, as portrayed in the movie.
Second, the 'virus' is not the same kind as those that can survive outside the host for any length of time, a point made in the article.

As for the 1968 through 1973 movies, Caesar was the offspring of two chimps from the first movie who, somehow, in defiance of all laws of physics, traveled back in time after watching earth get blown to hell from orbit, of course this was after they got the original space capsule raised from where it sank and operational (basically replacing all the electronic components) using technology clearly lost since the downfall of a technologically driven human run world.

So, yes, the new story makes a bit more sense, if it is not completely and utterly scientifically impossible, like the Zombie genre in which a virus animates corpses of dead humans and somehow promotes the the decomposition of the body while keeping the decomposing tissues strong enough to hold the body together....

But lets look further at your 'plausible' way that apes could take over the planet as portrayed in the movie...

First, the chimps in question gain super intelligence over night, then the virus that was created to only exist in a test tube or brain must mutate to become airborne AND contagious in the airborne form...

Oh, yeah, I guess you have not figured out that viruses are not all naturally airborne, they mutate, you know that is why the Ebola virus that killed all those people did not spread and become a pandemic, it is spread through body fluids, like the AIDS virus....

Which blows your whole virus premise out of the realm of plausible.

Then the army of apes as depicted in the movie actually totals more than all the chimps in the US to begin with, hence the necessity for those monkeys to breed like rabbits AND give birth to ADULT young so those apes could breed to produce more apes so they could out number humans around the world.

Not to mention the little fact forgotten in both series of movies, Chimps, when standing on their hind legs are only about 4.5 feet tall, and in both series of movies, within one generation (actually not even within one generation) they have evolved to stand over five feet tall, having longer legs and shorter arms, basically becoming more human in stature and covered with hair.

Back to the first movie series, in the original planet of the apes, the movie takes place on an earth devestated by nuclear war, and then the subsequent movies changed that premise to one of the apes taking over after a plague wiped out dogs and cats, with the last movie of the series being set some years after humans decided to use nukes to stop the ape revolution.

Now, to be quite honest, and pragmatic, very little if anything would survive that many nukes detonating that resulted in large parts of the planet being turned into radioactive desert.

Hence the first movie is flawed in having anything of any intelligence surviving that kind of devastation.

As noted by scientists on both sides of the iron curtain, the total number of nuclear warheads on the planet will not insure one side is victorious over the other, but will insure that no one would survive, hence the term MAD (mutually assured destruction.)

Planet of the Apes, both past and present, fall into the science fiction genre of "post apocalyptic dystopian future" with very little if any connection to real science.



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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/15/2017 1:51:22 PM   
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Nothing beats the original one I should bullwhip you on the spot for saying otherwise.

PLANET OF THE APES (1968) - Lady Liberty Destroyed

I tried watching the original one and then the Tim Burton one which was a remake of the original anyway. Both movies, I fell asleep before it got anywhere. Like within 10 minutes! It was sooo boring!

And the storyline was unrealistic. Something about end of the world by nuclear blast or something, but somehow apes survived and got smarter?

Come on!


Greta, it's a movie about talking apes... I don't think the majority of audience members go because they're craving realism.

Regardless, it was an awesome movie... the last two are at least as good as the original, possibly better.
Even though I'm sick of movies about revenge, this one was a lot smarter about it than most.

The original sequels and the Tim Burton remake are unwatchable.

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/16/2017 1:15:38 AM   
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Greta, it's a movie about talking apes... I don't think the majority of audience members go because they're craving realism.

It's not unrealistic to me that apes can possibly talk.

I mean, certain type of birds can be taught to talk pretty well. Including just the everyday mynah where is the most common pest bird in my country. Speaks brilliantly when you teach it to talk.

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/16/2017 1:25:27 AM   
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First, the chimps in question gain super intelligence over night, then the virus that was created to only exist in a test tube or brain must mutate to become airborne AND contagious in the airborne form...

Oh, yeah, I guess you have not figured out that viruses are not all naturally airborne, they mutate, you know that is why the Ebola virus that killed all those people did not spread and become a pandemic, it is spread through body fluids, like the AIDS virus....

Which blows your whole virus premise out of the realm of plausible.




Chimps did not become intelligent over night. It was a gradual process. The movie never show this happening over night AT ALL.

The fact that virus can mutate, simply tells me that it is unstable and uncontrollable by scientists and it could evolve into one that could do what happen in the movie IF humans were unable to contain it or find a cure for it. And the fact that AIDS still cannot be cured, and currently, the latest news is a strain of gonorrhea has mutated or evolved to a state where it is incurable too and now, spreads through oral sex and french kissing too.

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Then the army of apes as depicted in the movie actually totals more than all the chimps in the US to begin with, hence the necessity for those monkeys to breed like rabbits AND give birth to ADULT young so those apes could breed to produce more apes so they could out number humans around the world.

I only see a couple of hundred chimps in the movies. There wasn't alot chimps. But what I saw was, the virus killed Millions of humans. And it still at the third movie has no cure.

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/16/2017 2:13:37 AM   
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First, the chimps in question gain super intelligence over night, then the virus that was created to only exist in a test tube or brain must mutate to become airborne AND contagious in the airborne form...

Oh, yeah, I guess you have not figured out that viruses are not all naturally airborne, they mutate, you know that is why the Ebola virus that killed all those people did not spread and become a pandemic, it is spread through body fluids, like the AIDS virus....

Which blows your whole virus premise out of the realm of plausible.




Chimps did not become intelligent over night. It was a gradual process. The movie never show this happening over night AT ALL.

The fact that virus can mutate, simply tells me that it is unstable and uncontrollable by scientists and it could evolve into one that could do what happen in the movie IF humans were unable to contain it or find a cure for it. And the fact that AIDS still cannot be cured, and currently, the latest news is a strain of gonorrhea has mutated or evolved to a state where it is incurable too and now, spreads through oral sex and french kissing too.

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Then the army of apes as depicted in the movie actually totals more than all the chimps in the US to begin with, hence the necessity for those monkeys to breed like rabbits AND give birth to ADULT young so those apes could breed to produce more apes so they could out number humans around the world.

I only see a couple of hundred chimps in the movies. There wasn't alot chimps. But what I saw was, the virus killed Millions of humans. And it still at the third movie has no cure.



Lets address your points one by one...

First, viruses do not mutate that fast, avian flu, the one that every one and their brother has been screaming about and conspiracy theorists have been running bat shit crazy over has been around for at least 10 years and still has yet to mutate to the point where it will cross species without being fluid born OR airborne in such a way as to be a threat to humans...

Ebola has been known for almost 50 years, and it still has not mutated to jump from apes to humans EXCEPT by humans eating the flesh of infected simians (apes) and is still primarily a water born virus, with one exception a variant discovered in a US quarantine facility in which two unrelated groups of primates imported for research were in separate sections of the building, one group was known to be infected and due to the ventilation system, another group got infected. The strain was not the same as the one that gets all the headlines thank god.

Furthermore, even though humans and higher apes are within 1% of being a genetic match, that one percent is why simian affecting viruses only affect humans if humans eat contaminated meat or come in contact with contaminated body fluids, so once more the virus as portrayed in the move would be one that defies all scientific law.

And if you read the article, you would understand that in this case, overnight means basically ONE generation. Evolution does not happen that fast, even with human help. We have not gotten that adept at creating viable DNA that would force the issue.

So, basically the whole premise is as far fetched as you actually allowing two of your brain cells to communicate with each other.

This does not even address the fact that within the same generation the freaking chimps and higher apes actually grew in stature and became almost fully bipedal in the process, it took homo sapiens about a million years to go from ape type movement to walking fully upright.

Basically the premise of the movie is in complete contradiction to evolution, forced or otherwise.

Not to mention that gene therapy, which is the idea behind the virus in the first place is still in its infancy and the only virus that shows a possible lead in the field is one of the retro viruses, the one that causes AIDS. The damn virus rewrites the dna of the human immune system so well that it kills us.

Then there is the real problem with human dna (actually every species dna) in that most of it is considered junk DNA, which means most of it is not even active.

There are parts of human dna that goes back to the first hominids. We dont use it now, and it is latent, but it is there. So to actually isolate the series of faulty dna markers leading to Alzheimer's has not even gotten half way done yet.

What is known is that, while the chimpanzee brain is similar to humans, the exact chemical processes are still so different that a virus to accomplish what the movie depicts would not affect humans unless humans drank the blood or ate contaminated meat.

And for those who want to give me a rash of shit for arguing the point, the information I am giving is the same crap that I was given when I worked for a security firm providing facility security for World Health Organization clinics during a fucking Ebola out break back in the late 80's. We sat through three days of classes telling us why we would not be at risk of catching the virus since 1) we did not work directly with patients and 2) did not handle contaminated clothing or waste.

Then there is Neil deGrasse Tyson's Star Talk radio show which did about four segments on the movies. He has a lot of fun blasting science fiction movies and books that basically play loose with science to the point of being stupid.

He pointed out to the author of "the Martian" who made the boast that he worked hard on the science to keep dr. Tyson from tearing it apart, including the orbital math.

Dr. Tyson pointed out that his math was a little off, and that little bit meant that all trips to Mars would have missed the planet by about a million miles.

He also ripped my favorite series "firefly" to shreds on at least one occasion.

If you would bring yourself to read, and thus learn, there are a number of books that you might actually enjoy and would give you a lot of very helpful information on a number of subjects you have brought up in the past. One that I recommend is an essay by Stephen King concerning his research for his novel 'The Stand.'

It was both informative and scary as hell, since all the information he used came from biowarfare specialists as well as doctors who specialize in epidemic and pandemic diseases.

His last paragraph in the essay is what drives my survivalist (google the term) program.

To paraphrase:

With the growing popularity in primitive eco vacations, the biggest fear that doctors have is that someone will someday get infected with a virus from some local tribesman in some remote part of the world where it is no more deadly to them as the common cold but in a population that has never had it in its history, turns deadly.

I am sure you have read or heard about the impact of small pox carried to colonies by Europeans, both in the Americas and Asia. What is less known, but was equally fatal was the childhood disease chicken pox, as well as another form of the disease, cow pox. Both of those have a less than one percent mortality rate in humans where it is common.

But in populations that never had it in their history, both proved nearly as fatal as small pox.

And there are still native populations that have very little contact with the outside world.

Of course, there is also one of the worst diseases that is still out there, the black plague. Rare today, and for the most part, easily treated with antibiotics...

Except that in recent years antibiotic resistant strains have been found in the American South west, Asia, Africa, and Europe, all because doctors for years threw antibiotics at everything from the sniffles to minor infections and people did not follow through and take the entire run.

The antibiotic resistant form of staff is a direct result, and I have personal experience with that since my great nephew was in the hospital with that bug for almost two weeks.

You want to look at a plausable disease that could decimate the human population, look at Spanish flu that devastated the world after ww1. Showed up once, and never again, and we have no genetic samples of that one to make a vaccine.

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/16/2017 4:29:58 AM   
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Pierre Boulle probably wrote the original book for Planet of the Apes in the late 50s or early 60s, long before we knew much at all about retro-viruses or DNA manipulation, and since this was a work of fiction I can be forgiving about a few technical discrepancies. Fiction does not need to have perfectly accurate science to tell a good story. I haven't seen this incarnation of the POTA story, and probably won't until it's out on DVD, because from the trailers it seems to be way too dependent upon CGI and not so much on plot. I did like the original POTA, but wasn't so enthusiastic about the first remake. (Even though the effects were much better.) I think that if a movie comes out with an original idea the audience is more willing to overlook flaws in science or move-making itself, but remakes tend to get picked apart a lot more. Try to imagine how a remake of the original Star Wars with modern CGI would get ripped apart for the scientific details.

BTW - For those who don't know Pierre Boulle also wrote "The Bridge On The River Kwai," which was made into one of the best war movies ever made. He authored a number of Sci-Fi books, including one of my personal favorites, "Time Out of Mind," which is about a war fought across time. One of the better treatments of the time machine concept.

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/16/2017 4:39:52 AM   
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Wait not sure I have seen the 2001 version by Tim Burton. Or if i did see it i cant remember watching it which means it was total shit.
FFS they are making BeatleJuice 2

Right so it was the 2011 one I also saw. That was okay not as good as the original

Plausible plot as we all know the human race was genetically engineered by Aliens - obviously they fucked up Trump's chromosomes - Heh but still :)

So there was another in 2014. one due out 2017 and another planned

Christ. So that will be 10 movies in total

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/16/2017 4:46:09 AM   
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Pierre Boulle probably wrote the original book for Planet of the Apes in the late 50s or early 60s, long before we knew much at all about retro-viruses or DNA manipulation, and since this was a work of fiction I can be forgiving about a few technical discrepancies. Fiction does not need to have perfectly accurate science to tell a good story. I haven't seen this incarnation of the POTA story, and probably won't until it's out on DVD, because from the trailers it seems to be way too dependent upon CGI and not so much on plot. I did like the original POTA, but wasn't so enthusiastic about the first remake. (Even though the effects were much better.) I think that if a movie comes out with an original idea the audience is more willing to overlook flaws in science or move-making itself, but remakes tend to get picked apart a lot more. Try to imagine how a remake of the original Star Wars with modern CGI would get ripped apart for the scientific details.

BTW - For those who don't know Pierre Boulle also wrote "The Bridge On The River Kwai," which was made into one of the best war movies ever made. He authored a number of Sci-Fi books, including one of my personal favorites, "Time Out of Mind," which is about a war fought across time. One of the better treatments of the time machine concept.

To be fair, people have been ripping apart Star Wars over scientific errors since '77 (I've noticed that a lot of hard sf fans and science purists find Lucas mistaking a parsec for a unit of time even more irksome than the whole "noise travels in a hard vacuum" thing). Bit unfair as the film's obviously a fairytale in space rather than science fiction, but there you go.

I wouldn't give Boulez a hard time over his '50s novel being outpaced by scientific discoveries made since it was written, either. That happens a lot, after all. The plot of Alis Budrys' Who (and the rather good film of it from the early '70s) went out the window the second they discovered DNA fingerprinting, after all.

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RE: War of the Planet of the Apes - 7/16/2017 5:28:17 AM   
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One of the better treatments of the time machine concept.


No no nooo. The Time Machine (1960) Trailer (Fan Made)



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