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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 11:23:22 AM

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Ya know, in some fancy steak restaurant, if ya go in there and ask for a crucified steak, some of them just show you to the door and refuse to serve you too. Because it go against the Chef's professional idea of how to eat a steak.

OK, what is a crucified steak ? Google didn't find anything.

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It means that it's worst than well done, completely burnt and crucified. I know a few people who likes their steak like that and send back a well done steak to be burnt more.

There are some really snobby restaurants who's chef will absolutely refuse to serve steak any way but medium rare to medium. And welcome you to leave.

One time also, a chef got really mad at me when I sent my medium rare salmon back and ask for it to be well done. In nicer restaurants, salmon always served medium rare. And they seriously made me feel like someone who don't know how to eat salmon correctly for wanting to eat it fully cooked. But I hate sushi and I don't like my seafood cured or any rawness. Can't make me eat smoke salmon either.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 11:31:57 AM

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Just don't sell them any cakes, Greta.

Muslims wouldn't want to buy cakes from me anyway. Everytime I feed a Muslim, I sneak some kind of pork something into it and tell them there is no pork. My cakes will have pork lard and I would tell them it's halal.

I can't be trusted with food. i put pork in everything. So if anybody can't eat pork. Don't ever eat anything I offer you! I actually have a non-Muslim chinese girlfriend who is christian and don't eat pork too and I sneak pork in all the time in her food. But with her, I always tell her later that I did and well, I think she knows if she is getting food from me, I am putting pork in and lying to her it's something else.

And anyway, she is not upset because she just thinks pork doens't taste great like I don't think beef taste great.

I grew up with my brothers always trying to feed me beef and lie to me it's pork too. But I always taste the beef and spit it out hehe! Never trick me!

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 11:57:26 AM

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just so long as there is no widespread womans movement that is I won't suck a cock that promotes atheism I'm ok with it.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 12:54:55 PM

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So people buy their cakes from the shop with the big signs that says "We bake cakes any occasion."

They prosper, the other guy caters to conservative Christians. Life goes on.

If this baker ONLY sold off the shelf cakes and made no special orders then there is no discrimination. But if he makes special orders for some but not others then he is discriminating... Thank heavens being gay in this country is no longer unlawful.

If we allow discrimination according to religious beliefs then there are many areas in this country where law abiding citizens will be denied services. I think there would be little trouble finding a baker in or close to a fair sized city...but... In many rural areas of this country gays could be denied access to not only bakers but many other services. They may not be able to get medical or pharmaceutical services in a timely manner. They may not be able to get a vehicle repaired or find a hotel or motel when traveling. These are just a few services and this Pandora's box, if opened, will push gay rights back where they were 30 years ago or even further. It's wrong and needs to be stopped now.

Yes there are religious rights in this country but they are of secondary importance to human rights. We should all have equal rights to services no matter our orientation or religious views. You don't have to be a baker... but you have little choice as to your sexual orientation.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 1:44:35 PM

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Just don't sell them any cakes, Greta.

Muslims wouldn't want to buy cakes from me anyway. Everytime I feed a Muslim, I sneak some kind of pork something into it and tell them there is no pork. My cakes will have pork lard and I would tell them it's halal.

I can't be trusted with food. i put pork in everything. So if anybody can't eat pork. Don't ever eat anything I offer you! I actually have a non-Muslim chinese girlfriend who is christian and don't eat pork too and I sneak pork in all the time in her food. But with her, I always tell her later that I did and well, I think she knows if she is getting food from me, I am putting pork in and lying to her it's something else.

And anyway, she is not upset because she just thinks pork doens't taste great like I don't think beef taste great.

I grew up with my brothers always trying to feed me beef and lie to me it's pork too. But I always taste the beef and spit it out hehe! Never trick me!

This is disturbing - and distasteful. If you don't want to feed a Muslim then say so - feeding them food contaminated with pork is really a shitty thing to do. And very disrespectful.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 2:05:17 PM

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Anyone wondering how another totally unrelated thread got round to being about Muslims again?

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 2:13:04 PM

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cocksucking?

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 4:30:52 PM

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For it - or agin it?????

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 7:20:28 PM

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This is disturbing - and distasteful. If you don't want to feed a Muslim then say so - feeding them food contaminated with pork is really a shitty thing to do. And very disrespectful.

I don't respect any religion and I don't believe in their fairytale nonsense. Pork is not poison and they aren't gonna die eating it.

Besides, Muslims here believe that, IF they didn't know it's pork, it's fine. It's not their fault. They aren't in trouble. I just get pleasure when they enjoy the taste of pork without knowing it's pork.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 7:23:55 PM

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Just don't sell them any cakes, Greta.

Muslims wouldn't want to buy cakes from me anyway. Everytime I feed a Muslim, I sneak some kind of pork something into it and tell them there is no pork. My cakes will have pork lard and I would tell them it's halal.

I can't be trusted with food. i put pork in everything. So if anybody can't eat pork. Don't ever eat anything I offer you! I actually have a non-Muslim chinese girlfriend who is christian and don't eat pork too and I sneak pork in all the time in her food. But with her, I always tell her later that I did and well, I think she knows if she is getting food from me, I am putting pork in and lying to her it's something else.

And anyway, she is not upset because she just thinks pork doens't taste great like I don't think beef taste great.

I grew up with my brothers always trying to feed me beef and lie to me it's pork too. But I always taste the beef and spit it out hehe! Never trick me!

I rarely swear but holy fuckballs that is a fucked up thing to do.

~a staunch pork eating atheist

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 7:25:02 PM

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I gotta support pork as much as possible now before Muslims makes pork extinct. That's their goal. They don't see pork as a necessity. They are the cause of pork being removed slowly from majority of eateries in my country. You can never get for example, pork ham anywhere nowadays. Not in pizza, not in sandwiches, and definitely no bacon.

It's like impossible for me to find a ceasar salad at a salad bar here with bacon on it too. Or a baked potato with proper bacon bits.

So I resent that they are removing pork from our menus for good.

I can't feel sorry for gays being denied wedding cakes when I live in a world where Muslims deny us our traditional staple food for their religious reason.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 7:49:23 PM

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In many rural areas of this country gays could be denied access to not only bakers but many other services. They may not be able to get medical or pharmaceutical services in a timely manner. They may not be able to get a vehicle repaired or find a hotel or motel when traveling. These are just a few services and this Pandora's box, if opened, will push gay rights back where they were 30 years ago or even further. It's wrong and needs to be stopped now.

I personally think, they just don't want to be a part of celebrating gay marriage.

I think most people don't really care if people are gay. But I can understand from the point of view of someone who is against marriage between same gender, and absolutely refusing to create something that celebrates it.

Besides, I doubt gay marriage is legal in rural areas to have this issue.

I think other basic items necessary for living. Groceries or medicine etc. It's not supporting gay marriage to sell them daily necessaries to live life like every other human being.

It wouldn't extend to that.

I feel being against gay marriage is more similar to being against marriage between father and daughter for example. Technically, they are harming nobody.

But people are against it, because they feel it's unnatural.

But love happens when love happens right?

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 7:55:47 PM

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In many rural areas of this country gays could be denied access to not only bakers but many other services. They may not be able to get medical or pharmaceutical services in a timely manner. They may not be able to get a vehicle repaired or find a hotel or motel when traveling. These are just a few services and this Pandora's box, if opened, will push gay rights back where they were 30 years ago or even further. It's wrong and needs to be stopped now.

I personally think, they just don't want to be a part of celebrating gay marriage.

I think most people don't really care if people are gay. But I can understand from the point of view of someone who is against marriage between same gender, and absolutely refusing to create something that celebrates it.

Besides, I doubt gay marriage is legal in rural areas to have this issue.

I think other basic items necessary for living. Groceries or medicine etc. It's not supporting gay marriage to sell them daily necessaries to live life like every other human being.

It wouldn't extend to that.

I feel being against gay marriage is more similar to being against marriage between father and daughter for example. Technically, they are harming nobody.

But people are against it, because they feel it's unnatural.

But love happens when love happens right?

Gay marriage is legal everywhere in the US, Greta. Everywhere. Every rural area. 100%.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 8:04:09 PM

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In many rural areas of this country gays could be denied access to not only bakers but many other services. They may not be able to get medical or pharmaceutical services in a timely manner. They may not be able to get a vehicle repaired or find a hotel or motel when traveling. These are just a few services and this Pandora's box, if opened, will push gay rights back where they were 30 years ago or even further. It's wrong and needs to be stopped now.

I personally think, they just don't want to be a part of celebrating gay marriage.

I think most people don't really care if people are gay. But I can understand from the point of view of someone who is against marriage between same gender, and absolutely refusing to create something that celebrates it.

Besides, I doubt gay marriage is legal in rural areas to have this issue.

I think other basic items necessary for living. Groceries or medicine etc. It's not supporting gay marriage to sell them daily necessaries to live life like every other human being.

It wouldn't extend to that.

I feel being against gay marriage is more similar to being against marriage between father and daughter for example. Technically, they are harming nobody.

But people are against it, because they feel it's unnatural.

But love happens when love happens right?

A gay couple is equal to an incestual couple?

And gay marriage is legal here, rural or city. Hell I'm in Texas where my gay sister and her wife also live. Oh btw, her wife isn't her sister or mother.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 8:18:45 PM

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We are not talking gay marriage... but denial of services because of religious beliefs...This baker could just as easily, if this were to become law, deny bread...donuts...birthday cakes..etc simply because he believes they are gay. ANY service provided could be denied... Its not about celebrating gayness... but human love... or even hunger.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 11:24:41 PM

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We are not talking gay marriage... but denial of services because of religious beliefs...This baker could just as easily, if this were to become law, deny bread...donuts...birthday cakes..etc simply because he believes they are gay. ANY service provided could be denied... Its not about celebrating gayness... but human love... or even hunger.

Butch

But the reason why this baker is in trouble is because they want him to bake a cake to celebrate a gay marriage. It's not gays his against. It's marriage between a man and a man. They could have sex all they want for all he cares I am sure. None of his business. But if they want him to use his artistic abilities to build and design a wedding cake to celebrate gay marriages, that is forcing him to go against his beliefs. No difference from me forcing a Muslim to put pork ingredients in my cake that I want him to make.

Wedding cakes are often works of art and can be customized to the couple's celebration.

If a gay person walks into his shop and buys an off the shelf cake, I am sure he is not gonna refuse the sale.

I think technically, the situation is different.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 11:31:10 PM

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A gay couple is equal to an incestual couple?

And gay marriage is legal here, rural or city. Hell I'm in Texas where my gay sister and her wife also live. Oh btw, her wife isn't her sister or mother.

This is what I am talking about.

What is the difference between two same gender loving each other romantically and family members loving each other romantically?

No difference. Both are not natural. But cannot be help. Because the moment you say that a blood related couple can CHOOSE not to romantically love each other, then same arguments can be made for gays and lesbians.

Like you expect incest couples who can't help but feel romantic love for each other to refrain from expressing their romantic love for each other but you feel sorry for gays who have to do the same?

It's double standards.

One incident that happen in Jeremy Kyle is two gay men who fell inlove with each other and love each other so much. But later found out, they share the same father and was devestated. So are you saying just because they share the same father, they need to stop loving each other now and cannot get married?

Such real incidences exists. Many real stories of brothers and sister falling inlove because they didn't know they were related. And are devastated that they can't be together. For what? Really? Why can't they be together? And be married?

Because it's unnatural. And if people are worried about offsprings, how about these two gay men who are brothers? Should they be allowed to marry? Tell me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB0hfZtEbOY

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/14/2017 11:45:07 PM

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Gay marriage is legal everywhere in the US, Greta. Everywhere. Every rural area. 100%.

Oh ya, I totally forgot that recently happened. No wonder more religious people are gonna be prosecuted for refusing to bake cakes for gay marriages.

I'm an atheist but I find this just as abhorrent as religious people forcing non-religious people to do anything that is part of their religion.

Denying basic supplies that are required for staying alive, that should be against the law.

To refuse to design and built a cake that celebrates gay marriage? That's an artist prerogative.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/15/2017 1:56:09 AM

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A gay couple is equal to an incestual couple?

And gay marriage is legal here, rural or city. Hell I'm in Texas where my gay sister and her wife also live. Oh btw, her wife isn't her sister or mother.

This is what I am talking about.

What is the difference between two same gender loving each other romantically and family members loving each other romantically?

No difference. Both are not natural. But cannot be help. Because the moment you say that a blood related couple can CHOOSE not to romantically love each other, then same arguments can be made for gays and lesbians.

Like you expect incest couples who can't help but feel romantic love for each other to refrain from expressing their romantic love for each other but you feel sorry for gays who have to do the same?

I have seen you post some stupid remarks in the past but are you seriously claiming that an incestuous relationship is the same as a same sex relationship? Do have any idea of the difference? Do you have any idea of the risks involved in an incestuous relationship?

Do some research and learn how very stupid your claims are.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/15/2017 8:08:09 AM

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But the reason why this baker is in trouble is because they want him to bake a cake to celebrate a gay marriage. It's not gays his against. It's marriage between a man and a man

It is still discriminating against law abiding citizens... as the baker himself said he would be just fine if he only sold off the shelf goods... but otherwise he is discriminating. Greta you have to understand you can't just make a law for this one act of discrimination. If allowed ALL services could be denied by religious beliefs... this is how laws work.

Sure in New York or St. Louis you most likely could find an accommodating baker or pharmacist but you may not be able to in Thayor Missouri. This is why religious rights have to play second fiddle to human rights. People are just not all Christians... or Muslims and if a baker is to serve the general public then they must serve all... or find another vocation.

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